Zero Punctuation: Halo 3

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Lord Doomhammer

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katsabas said:
You know, for me, a game that is a sequel and does not care about newcomers is really stuck up its own ass. Halo 3 did not explain anything about the previews Halo storylines and that is one of the reasons I will not try this one. Why try it? To get a FPS experience but that will be completed only with the other two Halo? I think that Microsoft is rich enough without me. Also, having a game with a single player campaign that is only up to 12 hours max is not worth BUYING for the simple reason that not everybody can afford an Internet connection. Burnout 3 lasted about twice as long without multiplayer or online races and stuff. A perfect game should have no excuses and this one has very many things to be sorry about. Single player, story, a bit on graphics sbout the face textures, NPC that are not very smart, no backstory telling. Bioshock is definately better.
So, you are not going to spend ooh about $20US for the first two games so you can see why the campaign is so highly reviewed; although, I suppose everyone is entitled to they're own opinion, but really it is a good story if you actually care to try it from the beginning. Plus, no one has mentioned the skulls, they can be used for endless amusement to augment the game into things it could have never been without them. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it is a better story than a lot of people give it credit for.
 

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wow not one of you people on this forum even have the testicular fortitude to challenge anything yahtzee says do you? I personally enjoyed the game but thats justthe thought of someone who has free will and dosen't bow down to everything one reviewer says. Sure I enjoy yahtzee's reviews on video games it provides a nice alternative to people laying down everything good about a game and not enough about the bad aspects of it that may bite you in the ass during gameplay.
 

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Maingunprimed said:
wow not one of you people on this forum even have the testicular fortitude to challenge anything yahtzee says do you? I personally enjoyed the game but thats justthe thought of someone who has free will and dosen't bow down to everything one reviewer says. Sure I enjoy yahtzee's reviews on video games it provides a nice alternative to people laying down everything good about a game and not enough about the bad aspects of it that may bite you in the ass during gameplay.
The thing is that there are actually people out there who did not like halo(I shit you not) before yahtzee even opened his mouth. Don't assume that just because somebody does not like a game they are disliking it mereley to get on the bandwagon.
 
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Maingunprimed said:
wow not one of you people on this forum even have the testicular fortitude to challenge anything yahtzee says do you?
Seems funny coming from someone who actually has 'Zero Punctuation'. And you can take your gibberoni Wrestling phrases, clean 'em up real nice, turn them sideways and...
 

Maingunprimed

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nice negative comeback. could stand a bit of polishing up though. Telling someone to shove their opinion sideways up their own ass how very orginal. If you come up with something better i'll be in the hall of overly used insults.
 

The Sorrow

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How about this, then!
You are the Escapist's feces; once all of the nutrients that keep the forum healthy have been used, you are the excrement that remains.
In British terms, I would appreciate it if you would bugger off.
Toodle pip!
 

Maingunprimed

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Oooh finally something thats not even worth my time. Please would the next insult at least up you standards. Telling someone that they're shit is only a minor insult, nice wording though. You forum people are to much fun to stir up.
 

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besides the entire point of my original post was merely to point out that all people do on these forums is give yahtzee a backslap and a high five with any attempt at an alternate view point being immeadietly shot down, albeit my first post was also to see how much fun i could have doing this and so far i haven't been disappointed.
 

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I totally agree with you. It was a moderate game, nothing special. I don't see why people like this game so damn much when there is obvious better choices out there. And me, I prefer single player mode over multiplayer (mostly due to the fact that if I lose I get t-bagged by immature children) and partially due to the fact that some people don't have other things to do in life than memorize ALL the Halo map setups, and learn every little quirk of the game and claim to be "experts." No... it just meant you didn't have a job, you didn't have a life, so you spent all day just learning everything you could about this thing. Overall, Halo is a rent. Or at least play it at a friends house, but don't bother to give into the hype people.

And one more thing, if your going to put in "realism", don't make the whole game look like a flipping cartoon. Halo 2 was more realistic looking than this.
 

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@katsabas: Most seuqals don't explain the past story, some will talk about a few things that happened but not much mainly due to the fact they expect the people that buy it to have already tried the first game. Its like books and movies - you don't go and watch the last film of the trilogy without watching the first or at least having someone explain whats going on.

I like halo mainly do to the fact that its different, it actually has colour unlike most fps that come out that go dark,grey,brown and maybe hints of colour then of course red blood splats. I know its not perfect but most game aren't. Also when it come to comparing some games together like bioshock and halo its unfair as they both have different selling points. Bioshock want to me more a a adventure/rpg fps while halo want to finish the story for people that have played the last to games as well a give them a online gaming experience - the reason they've done this is mainly do the the fact that most halo fans like the multiplayer. Of course this doesn't suit everyone, no game can do that.
 

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nilpferdkoenig said:
Crap_haT said:
Why are you people still compairing Halo to Half-Life? They both have a H in there name, thats as far as it can go.

They are completley different games, but if I were to indeed go onto your terms then I would say one is good one is okay. Halo being the average game that it IS While half life claims the victory and does a jig as celebration.

Halo is not bad, but definatley not amazing.

Why people are comparing Halo 3 to Half Life 2? Because they are both very popular FPSs with a good story that are both competing for the title of the "Best FPS ev4r"?
Of course, Half Life 2 defiantly wins the title out of the two. Halo is "go in, stop the explosion, and get out." Half Life is full of mystery, and the story is told while your still in game. What told me "Your playing something you've never played before." Is when the guard hit the can to the floor, telling me to pick it up. That was right at the beginning too! Sure, it was a tutorial pretty much, but later things like that still occur. Your talking to a man in a safe house, when all the sudden you hear something coming, making the earth shake. Looking around, your still not sure what to do (least I wasn't) till they started screaming about how the walkers were here. Getting the rocket launcher, I come outside in time to watch a man get flattened by on of the things pole like legs.
Halo 3 on the other hand, just makes you drag through AWFUL "cutscenes" (if you can call them that)where that cyber girl and that Flood thing talk to you while your walking, forcing you to slow down and drag through it. It doesn't really involve you, it's not necessary, just let me shoot stuff at my own freaking pace.
 

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H3 is a decent shooter but no where near the Second Coming status it is given by its blind fanboy following.
 

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So, you are not going to spend ooh about $20US for the first two games so you can see why the campaign is so highly reviewed; No because the 2nd part requires Vista. And Vista is not a cheap at all
 

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katsabas said:
So, you are not going to spend ooh about $20US for the first two games so you can see why the campaign is so highly reviewed; No because the 2nd part requires Vista. And Vista is not a cheap at all
If you're reviewing Halo 3, you have an Xbox 360... and both earlier Halo titles work on the 360 for no extra charge so long as you have any form of access to the Internet (and a CD writer, if you don't have Live). Cost is no reason to avoid viewing 1 & 2 if you're playing 3.

-- Steve
 

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I thank you, Yahtzee, for A) Holding back on a Halo 3 review until it was screamed for and B) Not upping the final decision to please the drooling fanboys on this series. As you said, it's not bad, just average, my biggest complaint is that while multiplayer is fun, you can only mix up the weapons, number of players and maps so many times before it gets undeniably dull. The Forge option to customize maps helps offset this a bit, but not enough to to break it entirely, unfortunately.
 

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Axel Foley said:
H3 is a decent shooter but no where near the Second Coming status it is given by its blind fanboy following.
Sums it up quite well. In fact I'd even take it a step further to label Halo as being almost perfectly average, except as Yahtzee said, for it's own degree of pretentiousness. So, before I go further, thank you Yahtzee for being one of the few reviewers to place this game where it belongs.

Let's put down a simple scale to show what an fps is about.
G.O.R.E was a terrible fps. Graphics, story, audio, and "characters" were absolutely uninspired. Graphics could only be compared to an uglier Quake 2, the story was basically some corporation vs. an organized crime mod, and everything else followed a similar level of "drag and drop from cliche island." In particular, characterization and voice acting were so utterly unoriginal they made me want to hurt someone. This is from someone who LIKES the underdog.

Halo is an average fps. Humanity is getting its ass kicked and in danger of outright extinction at the hands of some technologically superior alien race. It seems that almost every science fiction storyline ever created is required to have this feature so let us move on. In order to battle the alien menace they create some kind of super-soldier (again, hardly original) but even that isn't enough so they have to go and uncover the super-relic-left-by-ancient-extinct-race to end the war (again not original). Some more stuff likely happened after that, but frankly, even the world's greatest ending can't carry the entire story. The weapons are to a letter standard fare, even weapons like the needler have featured extensively in existing sci-fi universes (unlike PainKiller). The levels seem to account for every major "requisite" theme that every new game simply must have; from generic desert environment to ancient foresty thing without much truly original (unlike... ok, almost every game is guilty of this sin). The levels flow well and are fun to play in multiplayer, but quite frankly, the same goes for Unreal Tournament and even Quake. Graphics were good, if overly bright, but not to the point where I felt like I was viewing a work of art (unlike Crysis see below). Halo's major edge - and for many, it *is* a big edge, is that it is dead easy to pick up and play, making it ideal for group gatherings, but this isn't enough to make up for the mediocrity of the rest of the game.

Half-Life 2 is a superb fps. Much as I'd like to sit here and say the story was original, it wasn't. What the story is, is standard cyber-punk fare. The time spent in City 17 is especially gritty in atmosphere, and really has many great moments. In particular, when you are called out of the crowd near the beginning, without a weapon, and taken off to a detainment room, your mind is either a) panicking, or b) racing MacGyver style to figure a way out of your current predicament. Like with the pop can incident where you'd like nothing more to slug the arrogant jerk who demands you pick it up for him but hold your anger to avoid blowing your cover, you are immersed. You are experiencing something new. More then any other reason, these experiences are what made Half-Life 1 great, and are what make Half-Life 2 great. And it is the quality and wealth of these moments that make it a superior single-player experience, and all around, a better game then Halo.

Crysis is not a perfect fps, but it is currently my favorite. The storyline was not original, but it was certainly fun enough. Difficulty allowed for the Koreans to actually speak Korean (if set high enough), and cloaking only to appear an inch from a guys face, grab him, and throw him into a group of his fellows never got old. It's true that the suit was a gimmick, I don't deny that. But it was a deep enough gimmick to allow for new and interesting strategies. Like Half-Life, this game also had many awesomely innovative moments. What makes it all the more fun is that many of these moments are not scripted out - for example, the first time you experiment with suit powers to pick up one soldier and throw him into another. In addition, the boss battle set atop a besieged aircraft carrier in the rain can only be described as totally freaking awesome. Before you ask, yes, the graphics look so bloody good it made me shed a tear.

More then anything else, I find it incomprehensible that so average a game as Halo would have such an idiotic level of fan worship. I can find no other way to describe it. They almost had to shut college down for the day - "Halo release day" was like some bloody unofficial holiday. Half of me expected overjoyed students to start hugging one another and start singing about universal love and happiness while the middle east would just bury the hatchet and go play Halo matches together instead.
 

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Great Review Yahtzee! That is pretty much what i keep telling my friends but now every time we play the fanboys gang up on me. Then i just ask them when is the last time you guys even spoke to a woman other than your mother.
 

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Have you all read/played the whole story? Including any of the novels? No, then stop saying the story is crap before you even see the whole thing. Thats like saying the Nazis are nice by seeing Hitler was a vegetarian. I'll admit the story according to the games alone is bland indeed and you may rightly crucify it for such, but having read the novels and the WHOLE back story I find it to be a truly good story indeed, much more so than Half Life.(@HeavyBlade)
 

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Bibbles. Hmm. You read the novels? Whoop-de-do. I'll fill in some more for Yahtzee then. I never finished the first game because it bored me too damn much. I'd only go back now and complete it if someone paid me to as a game reviewer. Which I'm not. So I don't have to finish Halo, and therefore won't have to wash my retinas out with methylated spirits and rusty steel wool just have something not-boring to look forward to.

Yahtzee, I first found your game reviews when I went searching for a review that didn't like Halo, so as far as that goes I suppose I must thank microsoft for making such an appalling game that you then hung drew and quartered and posted the results on the net so that I could find them. (and yes, I know the review was on Halo 3, but I'm going to believe that they are all tarred with the same brush and don't care)

Microsoft, congratulations - you have discovered what generates fans. Mediocrity. Lowest common denominator. Nothing challenging. Nothing unexpected. Pretty colours and flashy graphics and a gun. Yahtzee didn't lower his standards. Bioshock good, Halo bad.

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