All that work and this is all you shallow ginger pube twats can muster? Ugh. I want to be flamed like a tranny hooker!Russ Pitts said:Thank heavens for that narrow margin of worthMr. Positive said:
Zero Punctuation: Halo 3
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I'm ashamed to be a Halo fan when others (Like Mr.Positive) give us a bad name by acting immature on these forums.(I know Mr.Positive didn't directly say he is a Halo fan, but from the point of view of his original post and bias in that post suggest that he is).
I have played all three Halo games, and after watching Yahtzee's review on Halo 3 I have to agree with him. Compaired to PC FPS's, Halo is just an average game but on the console its somehow viewed as supereb due to the fact that there are few other FPS on the 360 that are relatively good (you could say Gears of War, but its more of a TPS).
I have played all three Halo games, and after watching Yahtzee's review on Halo 3 I have to agree with him. Compaired to PC FPS's, Halo is just an average game but on the console its somehow viewed as supereb due to the fact that there are few other FPS on the 360 that are relatively good (you could say Gears of War, but its more of a TPS).
These are the funniest vids I've ever seen. I came home from work and showed them all to my wife and we died laughing. Thanks you and please make more
Not you best review but still definately worth watching so keep up the good work...
Any chance you are willing to tell us what you had planned on reviewing until escapist asked you to review halo 3?
And to the above poster with the jeremy clarkson books... AWESOME!!!!
In america we don't get Top Gear so hooray for the internet to let me watch the upcoming season of immature grown ups doing the things i wish i could do to cars...
Any chance you are willing to tell us what you had planned on reviewing until escapist asked you to review halo 3?
And to the above poster with the jeremy clarkson books... AWESOME!!!!
In america we don't get Top Gear so hooray for the internet to let me watch the upcoming season of immature grown ups doing the things i wish i could do to cars...
Fun review. If a game is being sold on the SP experience it should be assessed on that alone. The MP experience depends more on the quality of your teammates/opposition than any other factors, so really shouldn't come into it. If it features co-op one could argue that the smoothness/seamlessness of the experience should be adjudged, but again it really stands on how good the SP experience is that is of main importance (if your teammates are fucktards ..generally your screwed).
I've been enjoying Zero Punctuation for a long while and I just thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents before Yatzee gets overwhelmed with negetive feedback (the complainers are always louder then the others)
I'm a total Bioshock fanboy, played all the previous games, following the dev team's work, logs, E3 etc etc.
So Yatzee's review of it stung at first. However in the end I had to agree with almost all points. If you take a similar look at Halo 3 you'll probably find it's the same too.
What I'm trying to say is I trust Yatzee's reviews more then most gaming sites. He's not making special effort not to piss off company A or demographic B or to spin it up so he doesn't bring down the metacritic average. He's just a guy playing games and he calls it like he sees it. (in a hilarious way nonetheless)
Remember a review is actually permitted to be limited in scope, he told people straight that (to parapharase) "I've been told the multiplayer is great, however I don't care about multiplayer" so the review doesn't consider the game as an all encompasing whole, it's just a normal guy's opinion and I value that more then I value someone whose continuing job relies on keeping good ties with said companies so they can continue to land exclusives/preview code/etc.
Everyone seems to be taking this as some sort of massive end-all declaration of the worth of the game. An all encompassing thing that requires graphs and charts with projected fun per hour rates. Bah! Do your friends break those out when they suggest a game to you? No! they just say "Hey, I enjoyed these parts, I didn't enjoy these parts" and honestly those are the best reviews in my opinion
Remember yatzee, for every random guy in here complaining on how techinically the bloom isn't overwhelming on a by average per texture ratio when viewed in resolution X9beta, there's thousands of people who check in every week to get some laughs and then go on their merry way. Stay the course man, your reviews are awesome the way you do it, don't buckle! =)
I'm a total Bioshock fanboy, played all the previous games, following the dev team's work, logs, E3 etc etc.
So Yatzee's review of it stung at first. However in the end I had to agree with almost all points. If you take a similar look at Halo 3 you'll probably find it's the same too.
What I'm trying to say is I trust Yatzee's reviews more then most gaming sites. He's not making special effort not to piss off company A or demographic B or to spin it up so he doesn't bring down the metacritic average. He's just a guy playing games and he calls it like he sees it. (in a hilarious way nonetheless)
Remember a review is actually permitted to be limited in scope, he told people straight that (to parapharase) "I've been told the multiplayer is great, however I don't care about multiplayer" so the review doesn't consider the game as an all encompasing whole, it's just a normal guy's opinion and I value that more then I value someone whose continuing job relies on keeping good ties with said companies so they can continue to land exclusives/preview code/etc.
Everyone seems to be taking this as some sort of massive end-all declaration of the worth of the game. An all encompassing thing that requires graphs and charts with projected fun per hour rates. Bah! Do your friends break those out when they suggest a game to you? No! they just say "Hey, I enjoyed these parts, I didn't enjoy these parts" and honestly those are the best reviews in my opinion
Remember yatzee, for every random guy in here complaining on how techinically the bloom isn't overwhelming on a by average per texture ratio when viewed in resolution X9beta, there's thousands of people who check in every week to get some laughs and then go on their merry way. Stay the course man, your reviews are awesome the way you do it, don't buckle! =)
Only because you asked so nicely.Merlynn said:
Simple answer is that the idea of a "perfect game" is ridiculous. The worst people out there are those that create something and are fine with it. See thousands of online comics out there that are complete trash, yet the artist tries to pimp it out like it is amazing. Those that create something, step back and nit pick what they did. At the same time, however, they should be able to recognize the good things.
Maybe I can also put it in this perspective. I play a lot of games, and I can even nitpick many of them. However, I can even enjoy the simple games despite their many flaws (see Stranglehold and Prey). Even the games I'm an absolute fanatic about, such as Gears of War, Halo and Metroid, have glaring flaws. However, a game like Bioshock is probably the closest I've ever come to calling perfect after playing it. Even so, there were many flaws I was able to point out, and so it's obviously not a perfect package. Nonetheless, the sheer level of enjoyment, all of the content put in there, and the game achieving pretty much all of its goals came close.
However, I wouldn't say if you fix those flaws then that's my perfect game. I mean, I do favor shooter games, but...I dunno. A perfect game just sounds boring, because that means nothing else will ever measure up and there's no more room for improvement. Once you have a perfect game, what more is there to look forward to?
Flaws mean that games can still get better, and that's why I'm glad to nitpick.
Erm, with few exceptions, just about every major and minor FPS is being released both on PC and Xbox 360. If you, in fact, mean past games, well, some of the major ones such as Half-Life 1, Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex are also on console.El Roboto said:
Seriously, I see no reason why consoles should be considered inferior in any way to PC's. Maybe for a game such as MechWarrior, given that a control pad just wouldn't be suitable. However, that doesn't mean my console is inferior, as there are plenty of excellent, fantastic games I've played on console that PC gamers haven't. Ever played Final Fantasy Tactics? It's like Square made that game by accident, because it's too good for them. The gameplay is phenomenal and still stands head and shoulders above other tactical JRPG's, the level of character class customization is awesome, creating unique teams from player to player, and the story is on the level with a lot of classic literature and some of the other best stories ever told(again, too good for Square). Yet it's a console game, which is treated as if it's the stupid man's gaming platform.
Are you guys seriously that closed-minded? Or, to risk being offensive, do you seriously need to justify your high costs of computer upgrades that badly in order to keep up with the latest and greatest? I may have missed out on some great PC titles, but at least I got plenty of great console ones plenty of you guys have missed out on as well.
The bit about the friendly AI was quite funny to me. Not funny as in 'hah hah' funny, more like a 'I've been there' funny. Then again I'm sure most of us have been there and worse. It's one thing to have completely useless back-up going into a fight but going into a fight only to be shot 16 times in the back by 'friendly fire' really sucks the big one if ya know what I mean. Even worse is when such dumb-fuggery happens while playing a game in which you have to protect one of those retarded sacks of code.
Yes, because he definitely stated that the reason for his discontent lay in his inability to play games. Look at his complaints;Can Not said:
- the story is quite confusing to someone who hasn't played any of the other games.
- the graphics, while good, are way too bright sometimes.
- the AI acts like a cow in a supermarket trolley.
- it is massively overhyped.
- the single player campaign is short.
There may be one or two more, but as you can see those are all clearly are based on player skill.
/sarcasm
Great review, hell, I'm one of the wankers who put forth the 1/10th k-bar for the Legendary Edition of Halo 3 with all the crap, waffles and tarts I could ever want and I still agree with everything you said. Not to say I regret my purchase, I love crap, waffles and tarts, even the single player campaign is keeping me busy until the blasted Half Life (HL) Orange box comes out and I kick myself for spending money on HL2, and HL2 Episode 1 when Valve is going to package them all with HL2 Episode 2... Wankers.
I am absolutely fascinated by the number of people who are unhappy with the fact that these reviews are biased. Biased review? Isn't the whole point of a review to show a preference of some kind? Granted, when reading a review you need to have some idea of the preferences of the reviewer, or their evaluation won't be useful to you. However, this review makes it very clear that Yahtzee is not into multiplayer games, and he is essentially coming at the game de novo, without a long history of playing halo. What do you want from the man? If you're really into the multiplayer experience....maybe you should read a review by someone who actually cares about it. If you are a halo fanatic, and not trying to determine whether or not you should buy the game........why are you worked up about the review? Its not as if sales are going to take a dramatic dive.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford both and frankly don't enjoy playing certain genre's of games on a console. The FPS genre is one of them. It has nothing to do with thinking my PC is better than my console, it is the control schemes available to me. Its true that HL1 and 2 were both put on consoles and they were horrible there. Halo tries to make up for it by doing a bit of auto aiming for you but that can be awkward when it is locking onto something you don't want to shoot at. The keyboard mouse combination just has not been beat in that genre as far as ease of control. The same goes for RTS games, you just cannot beat the mouse/keyboard combination of the PC.ccesarano said:
Thats not to say this is true of everything, I think most JRPG's, 3rd person games (GTA etc) and platformers especially play much better on a console than they do on a PC. Thats not even counting specialty controllers like rhythm games have.
Halo may be 'the shit' as far as console FPS games go, but to me its just shit when it comes to comparing it against other FPS titles that happen to be on the PC. I've had a controller in my hand since I was probably 7 and didn't even have a computer capable of gaming until my late teens. I don't love consoles, I don't love PC's, I love games.
Of course it can, and it is called 'groupthink'. You get a critical mass of consumers convinced that a game is going to be solid gold. Everyone goes and buys said product. Everyone proclaims that this Christ thing is old hat and Halo is where it is now at, and those that aren't in fact having a good time look around, seeing everyone else apparently having a good time, and jump aboard ye olde bandwagon.Mr. Positive said:
The 'tangible enjoyment' you speak of doesn't necessarily come from the game itself, but from the reflected glory of 'backing a winner' and being seen to do so publicly (go ahead, call me a cynic, I don't mind).
As long as the entire games themselves don't have to be perfect, I'm fine with that. Here are some of the elements which I might look for in said mythical beast, and are usually done quite poorly.Merlynn said:
Cooperative play mechanic
Halo (might as well be briefly on-topic)
Immersive play
System Shock 2 (with Thief 3 running a relatively distant second - if every level was done as well as Cradle it'd be an easy first). I'd like to join in the communal frothing at the mouth over Bioshock, but I need to get around to finishing it. So far I haven't played enough of the game to really 'get' the story and feel like it is mine.
RPG elements (freedom of choice, consequences, etc)
Fallout 2
Variable gameplay (ie not pure shooter/sneaker)
Splinter Cell (probably Pandora Tomorrow, even though it was too short. Double Agent was quite good too, but the wishy-washy choice management brings it down) - I really wanted to say Deus Ex here, but the later game really spoiled this aspect, although it gets some points for the RPG elements in the mix.
Now I'm a big fan of RPGs and I'm also a big fan of not reliving Doom any time someone makes a shooter. Looking over the points above again I think that if anyone made a combination of them and did it well they'd be better off just tattooing a player name to everyone's forehead and calling the game Life.
I'm surprised to find all of you so "pants-on-head" idiotically putting down the console FPS. Just because you spent $5000 on your stupid Alienware computer is no reason to compare it to my $400 Xbox. Obviously Halo 3 has flaws, but I can think of many more for your apparently god-worshipped PC games, and I suppose the unbridled waste of time some of you like to call the Playstation 3. Anyways, if you aren't willing to play multiplayer HOW CAN YOU possibly expect to enjoy Halo for all that it is? Xbox is all about multiplayer, they intentionally add some variety of multiplayer to every game to enable you to, as opposed to sitting in a dark room with your PC, playing with your friends. In conclusion, Halo 3 is a great game... I don't know how you can't see that. Maybe you should actually play the entire game (and not on 'Easy' difficulty dipwad) INCLUDING multiplayer. If you played the other games and perhaps read the several compelling novels based on Halo, you'd see the rather compelling storyline unfold. How do you expect to understand Halo 3 if you don't play the other two? What fool would watch the sequel to a movie without first checking out the fore-made movies? Frankly your opinions are akin to those of a bunch of wheelchair-bound cross-eyed hobbits.
I'm surprised to find all of you so "pants-on-head" idiotically putting down the console FPS. Just because you spent $5000 on your stupid Alienware comoputer is no reason to compare it to my $400 Xbox. Obviously Halo 3 has flaws, but I can think of many more for your apparently god-worshipped PC games, and I suppose the unbridled waste of time some of you like to call the Playstation 3. Anyways, if you aren't willing to play multiplayer HOW CAN YOU possibly expect to enjoy Halo for all that it is? Xbox is all about multiplayer, they intentionally add some variety of multiplayer to every game to enable you to, as opposed to sitting in a dark room with your PC, playing with your friends. In conclusion, Halo 3 is a great game... I don't know how you can't see that. Maybe you should actually play the entire game (and not on 'Easy' difficulty dipwad) INCLUDING multiplayer. If you played the other games and perhaps read the several compelling novels based on Halo, you'd see the rather compelling storyline unfold. How do you expect to understand Halo 3 if you don't play the other two? What fool would watch the sequel to a movie without first checking out the fore-made movies? Frankly your opinions are akin to those of a bunch of wheelchair-bound cross-eyed hobbits.