Zero Punctuation: Killzone 3
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i actually really enjoyed KZ3, and i prefer the more real weighty feel, theres a lot of fps that feel like you are controlling a floating camera but this feels more like controlling a person
also im english and i dont have a problem with all the helghast being all british, most people have to admit as a race theyre pretty fucking cool
also im english and i dont have a problem with all the helghast being all british, most people have to admit as a race theyre pretty fucking cool
I really don't know what he was going on about with the controls. The way the controls are set out is fine. I've played loads of games with that layout and never had a problem. Maybe gameplay is slightly different in Killzone? :/
Yeah that's why the first Killzone was advertised as a "Halo Killer", and KZ3 ripped the fucking jetpacks and space combat right out of Halo: Reach (only not as good!). I don't even like to throw "ripoff" around a lot anymore but damn that's blatant.hecticpicnic said:
Anyway I actually was going to come in here to castigate Yahtzee for his blatant Research Failure in not knowing Guerilla Games was based in The Netherlands but I'm glad several people beat me to it. Gives me hope that people aren't completely fan-blind to all of this.
This is true, although other than that I think you made a very valid point about how non-Americans are portrayed in games.Ekonk said:
Welcome to four years ago, Yahtzee! The R1 button has been used for shooting since the first FPS on the PS3. Mainly because developers knew that using those fat, bulky triggers on a constant basis would piss people off. I seem to remember you mentioning that in your GTA4 review in regards to the driving.
As for the rooky mistakes: Guerrilla Games is a rooky studio. Sony basically forced the label of "blockbuster" onto Guerrilla, because they wanted a first party studio to develope a Halo-killer. But trying to get a Dutch studio to create a blockbuster is futile, because we simply don't have that mentality.
As for the rooky mistakes: Guerrilla Games is a rooky studio. Sony basically forced the label of "blockbuster" onto Guerrilla, because they wanted a first party studio to develope a Halo-killer. But trying to get a Dutch studio to create a blockbuster is futile, because we simply don't have that mentality.
Actually Killzone had jetpacks before Halo, it was in a PSP version or something, although I agree the game really is trying be both Halo and COD, and seen as I dont really like either games so as far as I'm concerned this game can suck my balls.AceDiamond said:
Doesn't matter, everyone hates the brits- the americans are the only ones who are unnecessarily hateful towards us thoughEkonk said:
Is no one going to talk about the possibility that He changed the wrong letter? Maybe they were trying to be clever about a war between the british and the IRA. It would still only be a one letter change.
There are so many stoned and drunk US tourists in Amsterdam, it's easy to get mixed up... but yes, gorilla games I mean Guerrilla Games is a Dutch subsidiary of a Japanese company. But that shouldn't stop us from bashing the US & A.
I personally prefer the R1 button to shoot on the PS3-controller. Black Ops had it also on R1 on the PS3 IIRC, why no complaint there? Just Cause 2 had it on R2 as standard and it drove me nuts. But I guess since I disagree my opinion is wrong. Forget what I said: I actually prefer the left mousebutton to shoot in FPS. However, since Killzone will never appear on PC I guess I have to play it on the PS3 if I want to.
The cover mechanic is a bit weird in a FPS. I never understood why they put that in the way they did in Killzone 2 already. If I'd go in cover behind a concrete block, I would duck far enough for my head not being an open invitation for bullets. But that's just me.
So most criticism here doesn't matter much to me, since I liked the gameplay in Killzone 2 (firing with the evil R1). I'm also not offended by British accents.
What I dislike most about Killzone is the weak justification for the whole invasion. I didn't really see something Killzone 2 (or the wikipedia entry on the game series) that would clearly justify the invasion of the planet Helghan other than revenge. The only thing that makes them evil is the obvious Nazi-reference. If you want to keep them at bay it would be enough to have space lasers that shoot down their ships I assume. Why start a retaliation war that will cost the lives of millions of people? (because it's a video game and the writers couldn't come up with a better reason than "they look like nazis!", obviously)
I was also annoyed by my own squad. The most annoying NPC in Killzone 2 is Rico. A man-child who mistakes constant use of profanities with maturity. Like most ISA personnel in this game. Unlike the Helghast however, who are able to talk complete sentences without resorting to multiple use of four-letter words. Sunshine Rico runs around and kills so many Helghast that it can only be measured in metric tons. Yet he is displeased with the extend of his own genocide and want's to continually kill more of them.
I personally prefer the R1 button to shoot on the PS3-controller. Black Ops had it also on R1 on the PS3 IIRC, why no complaint there? Just Cause 2 had it on R2 as standard and it drove me nuts. But I guess since I disagree my opinion is wrong. Forget what I said: I actually prefer the left mousebutton to shoot in FPS. However, since Killzone will never appear on PC I guess I have to play it on the PS3 if I want to.
The cover mechanic is a bit weird in a FPS. I never understood why they put that in the way they did in Killzone 2 already. If I'd go in cover behind a concrete block, I would duck far enough for my head not being an open invitation for bullets. But that's just me.
So most criticism here doesn't matter much to me, since I liked the gameplay in Killzone 2 (firing with the evil R1). I'm also not offended by British accents.
What I dislike most about Killzone is the weak justification for the whole invasion. I didn't really see something Killzone 2 (or the wikipedia entry on the game series) that would clearly justify the invasion of the planet Helghan other than revenge. The only thing that makes them evil is the obvious Nazi-reference. If you want to keep them at bay it would be enough to have space lasers that shoot down their ships I assume. Why start a retaliation war that will cost the lives of millions of people? (because it's a video game and the writers couldn't come up with a better reason than "they look like nazis!", obviously)
I was also annoyed by my own squad. The most annoying NPC in Killzone 2 is Rico. A man-child who mistakes constant use of profanities with maturity. Like most ISA personnel in this game. Unlike the Helghast however, who are able to talk complete sentences without resorting to multiple use of four-letter words. Sunshine Rico runs around and kills so many Helghast that it can only be measured in metric tons. Yet he is displeased with the extend of his own genocide and want's to continually kill more of them.
Therumancer said:
If you really knew anything about British culture, you'd know it is extremely judgemental of facist regimes, due to having fought a long and bitter war against Nazi Germany, singlehandedly for the most part, losing hundreds of thousands of lives and living for 6 years in a state of rationing where basic supplies were in shortage.
George Orwell's 1984 is a much stronger statement about British attitudes towards oppression and tyranny than a line of tabletop roleplaying games. The British aren't as obsessed as much with becoming a facist state, they're more interested in what would have happened if they'd let the Nazis/USSR take over or become like that themselves so they can thank god they still live in a democracy.
A couple of years ago British National Party (a kind of pseudo facist/racist group) leader Nick Griffin was booed and ridiculed on Question Time which is supposed to be a serious question and answer session between various politicians/activists and the public. There was enormous controversy about him going on in the first place.
People aren't happy because after 6 years of suffering the worst conditions imaginable; little food, constant bombings, thinking German spies might be walking amongst you, worrying your husband/son/brother might die at any given moment, the knowledge that you're pretty much outgunned in terms of military force with no military help from any other nation outside the Commonwealth for a long period and hundreds of thousands of soldiers dying all around the world, damn right people are going to be annoyed when they cast British people as the very people who we gave so much to fight, while the good guys are a nation who came half-way through the war and barely felt these aspects beyond soldiers dying.
But then again I do hate Jews.
Ah, Killzone. As I said before, Guerrilla Games wouldn't know subtly if it hit them square in the face. If you need an example, just look at the title.
I enjoy Killzone 3 for what it is; a good, solid, mostly mindless shooter with huge set pieces and action all around. Guerrilla Games get the small details down well, but I do agree that it's the core aspect that sometimes need tuning in certain areas.
I enjoy Killzone 3 for what it is; a good, solid, mostly mindless shooter with huge set pieces and action all around. Guerrilla Games get the small details down well, but I do agree that it's the core aspect that sometimes need tuning in certain areas.
I've only played the single player demo, but KZ3 seems like an extremely pretty game with vapid gameplay and unbearable dialogue. If I'd never played a modern console military FPS in my life, I'd probably think it was amazing. Unfortunately...
Aww shucks. I was hoping he'd do DA2, partly because I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet myself. But this review was good, too. I knew that Sony add was exaggerating about the motion controllers and the 3D.