Too impatient again? That's your rallying cry Terra? Honestly. I just stated I read all of the LoTR books in a single setting. Name one activity that would take more patience and the ability to wait for a payoff. Well, without including reading The Silmarillian and The Hobbit in the same sitting in addition to the previously mentioned books. As for deep, you never commented on my brilliant masterpiece. I think my addition shows true depth, perhaps rivaling the writing skills Kojima himself.
That aside, you're a terrible troll. If you're going to even attempt to start crap at least work with points that can't be easily refuted. For instance, the Madden analogy is awful. Now, if you paid for madden and then got a team roster set up, got ready to play and then
were treated to an hour describing each players particular hight, weight, hair color, eye color, overall stats, what they tend to do in certain situations, what their favorite color is, their birthday, and their thoughts on life in general, then we could use that as a nice parallel.
Obscene amounts of information are neither needed nor add to the story. How about we have Snake going to buy groceries at one point while either he or a narrator describe each different item on the shelves. It doesn't make the scene more real, it makes it annoying unless they throw in a few references to things in the series or a couple of jokes. Even THEN it's going to border tedium unless they do something absolutely awesome.
Oh, and by your logic, I have the largest post containing the most writing, so I have the most well thought out arguments because I have more WORDS WORDS WORDS to back up what I'm saying which means it's good because more words means more good stuff and more good stuff means it's better and better things have more words....I could keep up the circular logic aaaaaallll day, it wouldn't make it any less retarded.
Howzabout this. You tell me why more words inherently makes a story more fleshed out. Why I need to know that a robot in the background during the scene where Luke is in the Bacta tank is an outdated stationary med droid and that the bipedal one next to it is one of the best money could buy, why knowing that Jabba's largest rival used to be a near corpulent Hutt that was poisoned by both Jabba and his uncle/aunt and that said poisoned hutts offspring Durga allied himself with the Black Sun crime syndicate and that this lead to the events of shadows of the empire is vital to understanding his character. Humor me by expounding on why knowing that Frodo's middle toe on his right foot had three hairs more than those of his other toes makes his character more real. Granted, I made that last one up, but nothing drives a point home like that particular level of absurdity.
Just as a tally, you have yet to say why:
1) The story isn't convoluted. I gave Revolver Ocelot as an example. Refute it, I dare you.
2) If the story is so bitchin' why doesn't it manage to capture our hearts and minds like that of the Lord of the Rings. Both are equally wordy, but I'm pretty sure most here could give a decent dissertation on the books. Why did THAT wordy come off as excellent and MGS's wordy come off as bloody annoying.
3) The 4e thing. It's the second to last paragraph. Just read it and respond. I'm not going to retype the important info again. You brought it up, so run with it.
4) As far as fans of Tolkien go, why is the Silmarillion considered painfully long and boring even by the most hardcore of fans, one of which I mentioned. The guy could go through the damn thing plot point by plot point and even HE said the book was balls...Though if that was the case I'm not sure why he read it so many times...Eh, fans. Whatareyagonnado?
5) A new point, do you think or just rephrase old posts? You have yet to address any points brought up by people except to make ad hominem attacks and point out they don't get it because they don't like it.
6) Oh, and detail does not make depth. Just because you pack as much information into a game/book/movie does not mean it gives it depth. It gives it info...That's it. It's the context of the information and the way in which it drives the player/reader/watcher to continue in their activity. To feel for the characters, to be in awe of the world around them, to drink in a rich setting, none of these require massive amounts of information, just the right amount to let us move around in it without being yanked back into reality. Take Neil Gaimans Sandman. Even by the end of the series we knew next to nothing about who Morpheus actually WAS as a being. That didn't make him a cardboard cutout. I'll even go so far as to say the raven in the books had as much characterization as Solid Snake. Yes, the BIRD managed to be on par with the main character of this series in terms of feelings associated with him. Three guesses which had more info to work with to make them more "real".
You see Shatnershaman, the reason for that is some people are twats who can't realize that different people enjoy different things. That comprehension of a subject does not denote love of it and lack of love does not denote lack of comprehension. They further cannot understand that you can love something even if it has flaws, even flaws so glaring as to turn others away from the series.
Apparently I lack the ability to converse outside of "rant mode"...huh.
It really is frigging bananas.