Zero Punctuation: Metroid Other M

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MasterV

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Aaaand in all these pages you see what everyone has been saying all this time. NEVER listen to the fans. You see worshippers adore the game and chastising everyone else, while the people who really loved the past games, as well as the "potential" new audience it was supposed to have are giving it the finger it deserves. I loved Metroid, but this one has failed on so many levels it's sad.

Sadly, Sakamoto does not seem fazed by the fact his game bombedand as long as he reamains at the helm, Metroid will be going in the gutter. Someone need to tell him his "creative visions" aren't what people want. What people want is a good GAME, he can keep his wet fantasies about Samus in his head.
 

Ethylene Glycol

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I didn't even know Yahtzee liked Metroid. Perhaps I should have. Either way, we've got him, Spoony, and probably plenty of other reviewers disliking this game for the same reasons.

When will certain denizens of Internet culture wake up and realise critics often do know what they're talking about?


MasterV said:
Aaaand in all these pages you see what everyone has been saying all this time. NEVER listen to the fans.
My god, yes. If it were left up to the fans, we'd all still be feeding quarters to the Pac-Man machine. And when you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing no one, so design-by-committee doesn't help either.

You see worshippers adore the game and chastising everyone else, while the people who really loved the past games, as well as the "potential" new audience it was supposed to have are giving it the finger it deserves. I loved Metroid, but this one has failed on so many levels it's sad.

Sadly, Sakamoto does not seem fazed by the fact his game bombedand as long as he reamains at the helm, Metroid will be going in the gutter. Someone need to tell him his "creative visions" aren't what people want. What people want is a good GAME, he can keep his wet fantasies about Samus in his head.
THIS this this this this.
 

PeterDawson

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This is one of those games I relish in people bashing because I've had people tell me how good the game's writing is and I just wanted to smack them. Even worse is Samus pretty much underwent complete character assassination. Would of been nice to see Team Ninja not destroy the character of one of gaming's most famous women...

I didn't mind the gameplay that much though. Transition from third to first is a bit clunky though.
 

Razhem

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Aiddon said:
Like Bob said, I think this game has revealed some VERY troubling ideas of what a lot of gamers and even game critics/commentators ACTUALLY think about gender in gaming. Samus doesn't present herself as Gordon Freeman with boobs nor is she a Commander Shepard who, let's face facts, is a Gary Stu/Mary Sue in EVERY sense of the term. She instead is portrayed as a troubled soul who has all kinds of insecurities, doubts, and fears and despite (and indeed possibly BECAUSE of those) she overcomes her adversities and grows. I can't really name a LOT of heroines in gaming that have been portrayed like that, especially in recent memory.
Your logic would have been sound if the game had been an origin story. With that I mean, we have Samus right before she became a bounty hunter, still in the military, all green and full of insecurities. There the setting with some better writting would have shined. Now Adam autorizing makes all the sense in the world and furing the game she starts seeing that military life isn't for her, learns to be more independent and grows in the process. Hell, She blacking out at seeing Ridley would make all the sense in the world if it was the first time she met with him.

The thing is they didn't do this, they decided to set the game after she has had at the very least 6 games of kicking ass and taking names cronologically. She is a tempered war veteran that has gone to hell and back. You cannot have a veteran blacking out like a pussy, Markus doesn't flinch, Solid Snake doesn't flinch, Samus shouldn't flinch, simple as that. There is also no reason why her judgement should be clouded by Adam being there at that stage in her life, she wants her varia suit, she activates her damn varia suit and fuck Adam, simple as that. Why? Because she has been going solo for years at that stage in her life and probably hasn't seen Adam in an assload of time, when you have all that field experience, you tend to do things your way and oppose anything you consider pointless or risky, rank be dammed.

Thing is, Samus has been pussified to epic proportions. Like I already stated, had this taken place during her military years, it would have been perfect with some tweaking and a voice actor that wasn't dead inside, but with the current setting, it was set to be a plot disaster from the start, plain and simple. anobody defending this aberration of a plot either never played Metroid (no reason for you to have any preconcieved ideas) or is so much in denail that he can't admit the character has been downplpayed horribly.

Character depth and defects are OK, having them hamfisted on, specially when they shouldn't even be there or at least shouldn't pop up in the middle of a mission because of being a tempered war vet, not so much.
 

Razhem

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epsilon246 said:
GloatingSwine said:
epsilon246 said:
The point is Samus believed he was gone without a trace (to be fair his remains were on zebes when it went boom) his apearance so she was caught off guard by his appearance.
He was gone without a trace after Prime 3. He still came back.

Also, I've already addressed her previous reaction to Surprise Ridley, she started shooting him.
The space pirates were still around to revive him after prime, they wern't after super metroid
I don't think you get what ptsd is, and she was never caught of guard in the prime games and in previous encounters there wasn't really the technoligy to show it was there?
If you actually believe this, then you are more of a tool than you think. First time sure, second, I can understand it. Having handed his ass on a regular basis AND another situation where she started shooting the hell out of him the moment he came in, a mental block is horrible writting and missing the power of your own character in a single swoop.
 

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Brian Blessed in every game, ever. Needs to be in CoD. All of zem. The loudest man in history.
 

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Jark said:
Any ideas as to what the "Special Episode" mentioned at the very end will be centered around?
Are you being sarcastic or do you actually want to know?

If you actually want to know its probably... Reach.
 

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I bought this game on the day it came out and cashed it in for $40 48 hours later. I played the game in it's entirely and was outright disgusted with everything except for the 3rd person controls. I still own a copy of every other Metroid game including Hunters and Pinball except this one, that's how bad this game is.
 

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Fantastic! I really start to wonder about Nintendo and how many more ways they can muck up their franchises. I wonder about that almost as much as I wonder about the fan-boys who are going to take real exception to this review. Reading all the posts later on today is gonna be a hoot. =D
 

SageRuffin

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Unbelievable... people are actually not taking Yahtzee's reviews at face-value and letting it dictate whether or not they buy a game? Don't any of you remember the SSBB Mailbag Showdown? o__O'

On a more relevant note, this was fucking hilarious. I almost hit the floor when the monologue came up. XD
 

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LOL spot on as always, Yahtzee.

I do find it hard to believe for someone such as Samus' standards to completely breakdown at the sight of Ridley(AGAIN! for like the 4th fudging time). Jesus Team Ninja sure knows how to screw over Female character roles.....no pun intended
 

BlueInkAlchemist

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Since when has any Metroid game since Super Nintendo not needed good FPS mechanics? The main character's defining traits include a GUN ON HER ARM. If Team Ninja was trying to make a non-FPS game, they picked the wrong franchise. This isn't Zelda.

Arguing that a protagonist is some quality because the player controlling them does stupid things is ridiculous. So if I play Arkham Asylum and make Batman die over and over by missing punches, does that mean Batman is an incompetent klutz? NO.

It doesn't matter if Samus is a silent protagonist, there are tons of pieces of information from the earlier Metroid games that establish who she is, including most glaringly the audio/scan logs from Prime et. al. Samus is a bounty hunter but she hunts Space Pirates, Ridley, and the rest out of a determination to seek the unknown and keep others safe (remember how every mission ever begins with her responding to a distress call without promise of reward?). She is, in every game, either the first explorer or the one-woman rescue team. If there's any part of this description that doesn't scream bold and independent then I challenge you to find it.

Yahtzee has made plenty of biased questionable reviews. This is not even close. The fact that he shares criticisms with many other sources should tell you that the game is, in fact, shit, and the plot makes me personally cringe.
It's been pointed out that the angle I took in presenting my argument was fundamentally flawed. I'll definitely admit that. My argument was nowhere near as well-phrased or presented as others. Thanks for pointing it out respectfully.

On the other hand, while I will concede that the presentation of Samus as "bold and independent" holds up from the points you've put forward, I don't consider bold and independent to be completely opposed to also being emotionally scarred and occasionally uncertain or insecure. In fact, it could be argued that bold independence is a smoke screen to hide one's insecurities.

Again, I'll admit that since I haven't played the games or called up the cutscenes on YouTube, I cannot comment on the plot or gameplay. I'm just fascinated by this idea of Samus being depicted in the way she is has become almost universally reviled. Now, the way she's given depth may suck ass. As I've said, I can't comment on that. But the fact an attempt is being made to give her depth at all is, to me, noteworthy.

I just cringe to think what would happen if it were revealed in a Halo game that Master Chief likes to spend time out of his Spartan armor knitting between firefights.
 

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BlueInkAlchemist said:
When was Samus established as having a "bold, independent spirit"? I don't remember that being mentioned at all in any of the games
how about the fact that she is a Bounty Hunter instead of a Soldier, that clearly say to me that she prefer to work on her own terms
 

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hawk533 said:
Damn, I was looking forward to getting this game eventually. Oh well, I just got Civilization V working this morning so I should be fine on games for the next 2 years.
Jeez, only 2? Im still playing Civ IV.

OT: When are you gonna review Reach? D:
 

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BlueInkAlchemist said:
I just cringe to think what would happen if it were revealed in a Halo game that Master Chief likes to spend time out of his Spartan armor knitting between firefights.
You might not have intended it...but I view this as a reference to Demolition Man....John Spartan....knitting...get it?

Yes...totally unrelated :)
 

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Manji187 said:
BlueInkAlchemist said:
I just cringe to think what would happen if it were revealed in a Halo game that Master Chief likes to spend time out of his Spartan armor knitting between firefights.
You might not have intended it...but I view this as a reference to Demolition Man....John Spartan....knitting...get it?

Yes...totally unrelated :)
Oh, yeah! I see what you did there. Or rather... what I did there? Or what you did to what I did there, or what I did to what you?

*head asplode*
 

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@Razhem:

-shakes head- Wat veterans DO black out, it's called PTSD. You can't get over it, you merely learn to COPE, you find ways to live your life despite that damage. Samus has not been "pussified" as you like to claim, she's just been brought down to a more human level. She still kicks LOADS of ass across all creation.

As for the time this game is taking place, that also doesn't matter. It's not like people STOP having insecurities when they're 30 or older and it's not like characters stop having doubts and fears beyond their origin either. She's been through a lot and seeing Adam again has brought up some memories in her.
 

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Plzz do a Review on XD Final Fantasy online I Think it sucks because another guy i know ho knows games hi goes HARSH on games XD