hey I just remembered in your E3 trailer park video in the credits you said ?on the other hand mirrors edge looks pretty sweet?
Zero Punctuation: Mirror's Edge
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Yeah, I had almost none of the problems Yahtzee had. Except for being locked into a room with a couple of bad guys and with no other apparent way out than killing them (happens a lot in the end). But no problems with the actual parkour part of the game...in fact, if they removed any need to touch the guards, I'd have enjoyed the game a whole lot more. Not that I didn't enjoy it already.
What irony? Seriously. They are aware of the review and still order ad campaigns on the Escapist. That actually speaks high of them. Or would you have preferred the alternative? Of course, pulling campaigns because of an unpleasant review is better torches and pitchforks angry mob material.Dhael said:
I happen to be a part of this oddness that people call "parkour" and I have also tried out mirrors edge. In my slightly professional but otherwise worthless view I might say that mirrors edge would´ve been better off sticking to a 3rd person view. It worked miracles for assasins creed because the player could actually see were altair was going and observe surroundings at the same time. So I dont see why mirrors edge tries to limit the view of the runner (taking into account that a narrower view in a faster speed sucks like....well, sucks). A real human can see a little less than 180 degrees by looking forwards, but no game has yet delivered that. So having a fast pased first person game with a main character suffering from tunnel vision screws the fast pase gaming real well, thus it makes the whole experience feel very unreal.
I'll do what I please gonna spread the disease because I wanna!
I'll do what I please gonna spread the disease because I wanna!
From what I played it was definitely more interesting than Assassin's Creed...Bob_F_It said:
I hope you're going to do Sonic Unleashed soon Mr Yahtzee sah.
This review reminds me of a couple of different things, in no particular order. That being said, let's number them and assign them arbitrary "figureheads," which is to say pick posts that represent my observations. Starting with column Q and work our way sideways.
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Not in and of itself a bad thing, just enough to maybe make me start waiting until next month to watch last year's reviews from here on out.
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He didn't like the game, but he didn't have to pay for it. It'd be like me complaining about "I Want To Be The Guy." The maker has to pay for the bandwidth of every download to produce and distribute his work, I don't have to pay for it. As such, I don't have any right to complain about his gameplay. If you like it, fine, but I don't. Even still, I won't say the developers and publishers are at fault for price. Making games isn't free, and I think they're charging reasonably for what they made.
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Their corporate tactics are what should be disputed (considering the Kane and Lynch fiasco), not their attempt at publishing several games.
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The shame of this is that Yahtzee is very loud about how he reviews, and because of his viewership, he's often the only opinion people turn to. Which is sad, considering how much salt you must approach Yahtzee's review with.
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Inform yourself, charge not forward in blindness.
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Although it's not a perfect analogy, this rings very close to the pot and kettle.
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I'm going to trim down the following post to the points I agree with.
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Just taking this post to note that while the side-bar usually has something snippy, if not slightly amusing, such a feature is not present this week. Not so much a sign of the apocolypse, but more likely that some of the minor humorous charm I still watch these for is slipping away. Like all sequel-laden titles, I find Zero Punctuation to be going away from the humor I appreciate.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
Not in and of itself a bad thing, just enough to maybe make me start waiting until next month to watch last year's reviews from here on out.
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Considering the nature of the way Yahtzee likes dislikes games, even on a college student's hilariously slim budget, you're going to be overburdened with free time and under-burdened with things to play. Try hitting up the User Reviews section to read more on this game. I find it to be a lot better than Yahtzee lets on.juraigamer said:
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Congratulations, you agree with Yahtzee. But unlike most others, you supply a situation. Although, for giggles completely unrelated to winning arguments, I'd like to discuss with you why you disliked Mirror's Edge, as I thought it was among the best titles to come out recently, including it in the ranks of Fallout 3 and Saints Row 2.Mrmandude said:
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While I'm normally in-line to agree, Yahtzee has mentioned, multiple times, that The Escapist regularly funds his games, and that he's contractually obligated to review them, but it does give him a rather skewed perspective. Especially considering the theoretical dollars at play here, which is most ironically his largest and most non-existent concern.ShogunGino said:
He didn't like the game, but he didn't have to pay for it. It'd be like me complaining about "I Want To Be The Guy." The maker has to pay for the bandwidth of every download to produce and distribute his work, I don't have to pay for it. As such, I don't have any right to complain about his gameplay. If you like it, fine, but I don't. Even still, I won't say the developers and publishers are at fault for price. Making games isn't free, and I think they're charging reasonably for what they made.
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There are other reviews out there for Mirror's Edge out there. I'd suggest going and getting informed before making a brash decision. Most people liked it [http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/941951.asp?q=Mirrors%20Edge].TZer0 said:Thank you for "pulling me down". I was hoping that this game was to become great, but it turned to be a case of the old classic "new genre"-syndrome... innovation + sloppy game design = bad game (of course, Portal is one of the games that arn't suffering from this).
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Actually, what little I've played of Resistance, I've enjoyed. Which is a testament to the quality of the developer, DICE. EA themselves merely publish, which (most often) have very little to do with game design. Although The Sims were fun games, I also appreciated the gameplay fun of the Sim Cities and Spore (which were Maxis, not EA). And the Command and Conquer series (which you rightfully attribute to Westwood), were intensely fun games. You don't give EA enough credit. They do publish a lot, which does more to help the gaming market than hurt it, regardless of quality.Azzaevil said:
Their corporate tactics are what should be disputed (considering the Kane and Lynch fiasco), not their attempt at publishing several games.
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More people deserve bans or probation for their posts in a Zero Punctuation thread than any other.Brokkr said:
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It's just you. Yahtzee has a tendency to encourage the bizarre and indie titles, if his opinions on games like Painkiller, Portal, and Psychonauts are to serve as references. The concept behind Mirror's Edge is likely something he would have encouraged in his first review as much as now. Although, he likely would've been easier on the game in his first review.carnkhan4 said:
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If you look around the forums, you'll find that a majority of the forums see the people who post on threads like these as sheep. Something I'm not going to mention with which I agree or disagree, but very few people will step forward to get a full understanding of a game before buying. It's why market research and marketing are so prevalent, and there are very few "regarded" game-review mediums. People will rarely look at more than two reviews, if even that many.Khadath said:
The shame of this is that Yahtzee is very loud about how he reviews, and because of his viewership, he's often the only opinion people turn to. Which is sad, considering how much salt you must approach Yahtzee's review with.
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I often enjoy your insight to things, Richard Groovy Pants, but today's a day where I disagree. To not de-rail the thread, I won't blather aimlessly here. In short, though, I consider Yahtzee to be very consistently losing his form with each passing review.Richard Groovy Pants said:
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I'm going to echo the call for visiting the locals at User Reviews. A lot of them have much more reviewing tact that Yahtzee seems to. Humor? Not so much. But as reviews go, theirs are of more quality.Angrywyvern said:
Inform yourself, charge not forward in blindness.
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Why make valid judgments based on people for yourself when you can just assume people to be of a certain mind without actually giving them a chance?icnfde said:
Although it's not a perfect analogy, this rings very close to the pot and kettle.
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Except I was playing this for the PS3, and had very few problems with dodgy clipping and poor graphics. As a matter of fact, the entire play experience was smooth. I think Yahtzee was just blowing hot air here. Once I understood the mechanics of the game (in that it took me a minute to realize Faith wouldn't grab things unless she was looking directly at them from a jump), then the game ran completely without issue. Even on a PS3.AceDiamond said:
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Because being a condescending smartass is so much better when you have facts on your side. Pot, kettle, friend.Anaphyis said:Sayvara said:Perhaps you two brainiacs should at least take the few seconds off you need to check Wikipedia before failing epically being condescending smartasses. Or at least take the time and explain how a game which is made by a 100% subsidiary of EA (called EA DICE) actually ISN'T made by EA. Or bring examples of modern EA games NOT made by EA subsidiaries. Good luck on both accounts. Or even better: Get back to "me too" posts.Safe-Keeper said:Everyone finished it in one day. It's a short game.
EA didn't make the game, DICE Sweden did. I'm glad you're not the one doing the reviews.
I guess you hate the Battlefield series, too, since BF1942, BF2 and BF2142 all came out of DICE Sweden
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I'm going to trim down the following post to the points I agree with.
Otherwise ranty, but good post. I applaud you. A little SC4 fanboy-y, though.Shinkada said:
I think the mods prepare themselves to ban a few people a few minutes before each ZP video.Undead Dragon King said:
Actually, he commends the new idea, and complains about the execution.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Thank you.Gormers1 said:
It could've been that they were short, nothing-to-add posts all hastily typed in an attempt to get the first post proceeding Yahtzee. But I'd like to think it was because that they were commenting on the video about 2 minutes before the length of the video has elapsed.John Tacos said:
It's like publishing a full play review about a theater production from your laptop during intermission. They clearly hadn't watched the video in full, because they would have had to had watched it from the posting time on, assuming they had the video page open the split second it was published, even discounting loading time for the video.
I don't.SgtFlaman said:
Neither "condescending" nor "smart ass" are properties one would normally like attributed to their names, factual or not. Why bother being so contrary just to be contrary. Ask them to correct their facts, not call them idiots for getting them wrong. If they don't change them despite future knowledge, then they are fools. Not before. Everyone is wrong sometimes.Anaphyis said:
As a matter a fact, a brief glance over of the Wiki page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Illusions_CE#EA.27s_acquisition] seemed to say that EA Acquired DICE, changing them to the "EA DICE" we have today, but mentions nothing of EA's role in production.
The safe assumption is that it was simply a named sub-company, but still maintained their previous development practices, which is to say DICE would have created Mirror's Edge the same way then as they have now.
What I wonder what kept him from stating the same here. He will usually be somewhat charitable to innovation, but here it got barely a mention... Why did the game piss him off so much? (His almost sadistic glee certainly seemed to stem from some sort of direct offence taken.)Dhael said:
It sucks how the game grabbed your attention amongst all the other big name games and it kinda lest you down like that. They are making a sequel. hopefully Rhianna Pratchet will do her job and actually write a good story this time. That's what I wanted to know the most; the story!. And now that I know it sucks I will not be buying this game. But the soundtrack is very good I gotta give them that.