Zero Punctuation: No More Heroes

[renard]

Gay

Thanks for your comment, it's reeeeeeally helpful...
Seriously, there are almost 4 people who registered just to bray in this thread... what's wrong with you people? If you don't like it, don't fill the thread with illiterate pointless crap.

I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to express your negative opinion.

I think the phenomenon is actually kind of interesting. Yahtzee went for months without receiving anything but unanimous praise. And I don't find this review particularly different from all of those other ones. So what's different? I personally wonder if as time goes by he won't attract more and more negative comments.

And none of this is said in any offense to Yahtzee, mind you. Perhaps I am slightly the anarchist for believing that having a diversity of opinion represented here trumps the need for everyone to have valid, well constructed posts, with college level grammar. Negative opinions I think will keep Yahtzee honest.

I mean, think about it, if everyone loves what you do, no matter WHAT you do, then you will spend as little effort as possible on what you do, so you can use the rest to pursue other ventures. Obviously, if the pay-off for breaking your back over an excellent review is equivalent to the pay-off for producing a so-so review, then you will only produce so-so reviews.


... Eh, let me reinforce that I'm only playing devil's advocate here. I believe my initial posts were along the lines of "As funny as usual."

If you read the first comment I made on this thread I said:

I think it wasn't the best one but it's still funny...
I love the begining when the music cuts out and yahtzee says "no, not, It's too obvious"

I didn't like some other reviews like the DMC4 one, but there are ways to express yourself without looking like a 13 year old brat.
I mean: of course you can say you don't like, this is a forum, but the abyss between "I didn't like it, I think that you can do it better and be more acid" and "OMGOMG THIS SUCKS! UR LAST REVIEWS SUCKS BULL BOLLOCKS UR REVIEWS NEEDS MOAR LIQUID HAET!" is the size of the Bishmark using as prow figurehead a stuffed tyranosaurus.

there is a difference between the "illiterate pointless crap":

yah maybe u get games late cause you say they all suck... ur turok review sucked and u had no good arguments why modern fps suck. stronger grenades? please u just suck so u need to grenade spam. plus the reason of no health bars is so u dont run around looking for health for 5 hours or if u just defended and epic battle and then get shot by the last guy u never saw ud have to restart.

if halo 3 sucks so much how come so many people play it everyday. over 900,000 average.

sounds like a 14 y.o. halo fanboy

Gay

sounds retarded

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and the "constructive criticism:"

Not nearly as funny as before. The ending was quite nice, but cutting out the music at the start ruined your flow. C+, down from an A- average.

Slimby

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just as simple as this, they aren't doing nothing but *****-talking. And that's not the way to improve anything. Negative critics must give something more than "this is shit and I'm not saying why it is that way".

 

[Uszi]

Meh. Take it more as food for thought, then.

 

[Sylocat]

Let's see... a bunch of people who registered just to say "this one sucked, not as good as it used to be, etc.," and will probably never post again... nope, nothing out of the ordinary here.

 

[m_jim]

What's funny to me is to read the articles on the main page and the discussions about them, then veer off to see what's going on in the ZP threads. It sort of reminds me of driving around town, taking a wrong turn, and winding up in the ghetto. You don't realize how hostile people are in the Zero Punctuation boards until you check out the other ones.

 

[Melaisis]

What's funny to me is to read the articles on the main page and the discussions about them, then veer off to see what's going on in the ZP threads. It sort of reminds me of driving around town, taking a wrong turn, and winding up in the ghetto. You don't realize how hostile people are in the Zero Punctuation boards until you check out the other ones.

Indeed. I was just thinking I should come in here more often; the flame wars are immense. Especially when you compare it to the placid nature of the majority of the community, who have discovered there's a bit more to this forum than the ZP threads.

 

[Flesh5thLetLoose]

Best review ever.

 

[VeryOblivious]

...

Sadly, I agree with you. This review didn't offer a complete perspective of the game itself.

 

[REDace0]

wait

No More Hereos?

I'm glad someone else noticed. I thought maybe I was going crazy.

Great and duly critical review as always.

 

[mbenigni]

Almost personally disappointed that the otherwise infallible Yahtzee gave this a thumbs-up at the last minute. He seemed right on track toward hating it for all the same reasons I did, until then.

P.S. The City of Lost Children reference in the Turok review, very classy.

 

[mbenigni]

OK so now I've read a bit more of this thread of comments and I guess I'll opine a little further. First of all I don't really hold Y's reviews to the same standards as traditional reviews as I don't think the format or the sense of humor really support that. ie. the pacing and the constant overstatement for effect are AWESOME but not ideal if you're seriously trying to decide whether to buy a game.

That said... some people are coming down on this because Y's review is too positive, but I don't see that at all. I think my biggest complaint is that the review is almost entirely negative (as well it should be) followed by an almost completely unexplained "but I liked it anyway" which is neither helpful NOR especially funny. But Y is still cooler than you or me so no prob.

As for Suda-integer guy, I really think he should just make films. He's obviously got a talent for aesthetics and content but he seems to have something bordering on disdain for actual gameplay and gameplayers. Everything I did enjoy about my time with No More Heroes I could just as easily have watched on YouTube.

 

[Uszi]

The "but I liked it anyway" does come completely out of nowhere, hence the colorful whale reference.

The review goes through:

Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc.
Phase 2: Why it's bad, yadda yadda.
Phase 3: But, the good outweighs the bad.

Yahtzee is usually of the "games as art" opinion, and I'm sure he liked No More Heroes just because it was something doing something a bit different than CoD4 or Halo 3. And so on.

 

[mbenigni]

I guess I see your point, but:

"Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc."

To my eyes/ ears, Phase 1 only established why Killer 7 was good, and if anything seemed like a setup as to how NMH didn't live up to that legacy. So as for good outweighing bad, the only "good" cited is "there's nothing else like it." Which is probably true of lots of bad things, too.

But you know, games are subjective, so if everyone else likes it fine. I got nearly half of my money back on return anyway.

 

[FACT.50]

Obvious or not, I thought it was awesome to hear The Stranglers in a ZP review! You may be surprised how many people have never even heard of them, so it may not be as obvious as you think.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Well. It's been almost a week since this review and I'm wondering how many were convinced to pick NMH up at Yahtzee's suggestion.
So Who bought this?
Do you think it deserves the praise?
Please answer honestly.

 

[SiirusNagisa]

rented this one on recommendation and was quite pleased!

...and you know, for a while I was worried that a combination of your sudden popularity surge and the frequency of your updates may have begun to cause a slump in the quality of your reviews, but you have proven otherwise, Sir Yahtzee, bravo

 

[Uszi]

rented this one on recommendation and was quite pleased!

...and you know, for a while I was worried that a combination of your sudden popularity surge and the frequency of your updates may have begun to cause a slump in the quality of your reviews, but you have proven otherwise, Sir Yahtzee, bravo

Others would say differently.
I'm not one of them--mind you, but others would.

 

[AeonTeleos]

I just figered i wud post here cus i love Muse lmao. Zero Punc is the funniest and best games reviews i read/watch/listen too. He has game reviews to a tee and his humour is just off the page, slanderous and thoroughly enjoyable.

Some of his reviews are just absolutely mockery (and its great) and some, in fact most, are genuinely correct in every aspect which makes it all the more funny.

It helps when you know the game, but this review was so good I felt like I was the one who had played it because I could just imagine exactly as he described it - and yet his descriptions were so abstract.

Just genious, grats Yahtzee, you are a credit to the gaming world, and the reviewing crowd. I take my hat off to you.

 

[bobsmidie]

More Brisbane music woooo

i love yahtzees reviews but i still dont ever really buy any of the games probably should...