Zero Punctuation: No More Heroes
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What's funny to me is to read the articles on the main page and the discussions about them, then veer off to see what's going on in the ZP threads. It sort of reminds me of driving around town, taking a wrong turn, and winding up in the ghetto. You don't realize how hostile people are in the Zero Punctuation boards until you check out the other ones.
Indeed. I was just thinking I should come in here more often; the flame wars are immense. Especially when you compare it to the placid nature of the majority of the community, who have discovered there's a bit more to this forum than the ZP threads.m_jim said:
Sadly, I agree with you. This review didn't offer a complete perspective of the game itself.GonzoGamer said:
Almost personally disappointed that the otherwise infallible Yahtzee gave this a thumbs-up at the last minute. He seemed right on track toward hating it for all the same reasons I did, until then.
P.S. The City of Lost Children reference in the Turok review, very classy.
P.S. The City of Lost Children reference in the Turok review, very classy.
OK so now I've read a bit more of this thread of comments and I guess I'll opine a little further. First of all I don't really hold Y's reviews to the same standards as traditional reviews as I don't think the format or the sense of humor really support that. ie. the pacing and the constant overstatement for effect are AWESOME but not ideal if you're seriously trying to decide whether to buy a game.
That said... some people are coming down on this because Y's review is too positive, but I don't see that at all. I think my biggest complaint is that the review is almost entirely negative (as well it should be) followed by an almost completely unexplained "but I liked it anyway" which is neither helpful NOR especially funny. But Y is still cooler than you or me so no prob.
As for Suda-integer guy, I really think he should just make films. He's obviously got a talent for aesthetics and content but he seems to have something bordering on disdain for actual gameplay and gameplayers. Everything I did enjoy about my time with No More Heroes I could just as easily have watched on YouTube.
That said... some people are coming down on this because Y's review is too positive, but I don't see that at all. I think my biggest complaint is that the review is almost entirely negative (as well it should be) followed by an almost completely unexplained "but I liked it anyway" which is neither helpful NOR especially funny. But Y is still cooler than you or me so no prob.
As for Suda-integer guy, I really think he should just make films. He's obviously got a talent for aesthetics and content but he seems to have something bordering on disdain for actual gameplay and gameplayers. Everything I did enjoy about my time with No More Heroes I could just as easily have watched on YouTube.
The "but I liked it anyway" does come completely out of nowhere, hence the colorful whale reference.
The review goes through:
Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc.
Phase 2: Why it's bad, yadda yadda.
Phase 3: But, the good outweighs the bad.
Yahtzee is usually of the "games as art" opinion, and I'm sure he liked No More Heroes just because it was something doing something a bit different than CoD4 or Halo 3. And so on.
The review goes through:
Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc.
Phase 2: Why it's bad, yadda yadda.
Phase 3: But, the good outweighs the bad.
Yahtzee is usually of the "games as art" opinion, and I'm sure he liked No More Heroes just because it was something doing something a bit different than CoD4 or Halo 3. And so on.
I guess I see your point, but:
"Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc."
To my eyes/ ears, Phase 1 only established why Killer 7 was good, and if anything seemed like a setup as to how NMH didn't live up to that legacy. So as for good outweighing bad, the only "good" cited is "there's nothing else like it." Which is probably true of lots of bad things, too.
But you know, games are subjective, so if everyone else likes it fine. I got nearly half of my money back on return anyway.
"Phase 1: Why it's good. Refreshing, killer 7, etc."
To my eyes/ ears, Phase 1 only established why Killer 7 was good, and if anything seemed like a setup as to how NMH didn't live up to that legacy. So as for good outweighing bad, the only "good" cited is "there's nothing else like it." Which is probably true of lots of bad things, too.
But you know, games are subjective, so if everyone else likes it fine. I got nearly half of my money back on return anyway.
Well. It's been almost a week since this review and I'm wondering how many were convinced to pick NMH up at Yahtzee's suggestion.
So Who bought this?
Do you think it deserves the praise?
Please answer honestly.
So Who bought this?
Do you think it deserves the praise?
Please answer honestly.
rented this one on recommendation and was quite pleased!
...and you know, for a while I was worried that a combination of your sudden popularity surge and the frequency of your updates may have begun to cause a slump in the quality of your reviews, but you have proven otherwise, Sir Yahtzee, bravo
...and you know, for a while I was worried that a combination of your sudden popularity surge and the frequency of your updates may have begun to cause a slump in the quality of your reviews, but you have proven otherwise, Sir Yahtzee, bravo
Others would say differently.SiirusNagisa said:rented this one on recommendation and was quite pleased!
...and you know, for a while I was worried that a combination of your sudden popularity surge and the frequency of your updates may have begun to cause a slump in the quality of your reviews, but you have proven otherwise, Sir Yahtzee, bravo
I'm not one of them--mind you, but others would.
I just figered i wud post here cus i love Muse lmao. Zero Punc is the funniest and best games reviews i read/watch/listen too. He has game reviews to a tee and his humour is just off the page, slanderous and thoroughly enjoyable.
Some of his reviews are just absolutely mockery (and its great) and some, in fact most, are genuinely correct in every aspect which makes it all the more funny.
It helps when you know the game, but this review was so good I felt like I was the one who had played it because I could just imagine exactly as he described it - and yet his descriptions were so abstract.
Just genious, grats Yahtzee, you are a credit to the gaming world, and the reviewing crowd. I take my hat off to you.
Some of his reviews are just absolutely mockery (and its great) and some, in fact most, are genuinely correct in every aspect which makes it all the more funny.
It helps when you know the game, but this review was so good I felt like I was the one who had played it because I could just imagine exactly as he described it - and yet his descriptions were so abstract.
Just genious, grats Yahtzee, you are a credit to the gaming world, and the reviewing crowd. I take my hat off to you.
First sign up. Then click "select a nominee" on the top right. Select "The Escapist" NOT Yahtzee himself, and the catagory is games-related. Might be games but probubly games-related.Bodo_Fraggins said:
This has to be one of the greatist reviews Yahtzee's done, mabye if only for the "Mabye the universe would end, and it would be awsome!." part. I'm glad that part is at the end, because otherwise I would have to pause to stop laughing which would have taken a while. A long while. Would love a T-Shirt with that on it. *Wink* *Wink*