Zero Punctuation: The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings

WithmirTeigh

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cefm said:
RPG's are supposed to be complex in plot and character development. Adding complexity to the combat, inventory, or crafting systems is just stupid and annoys the player. I play RPG's to get immersed in a story, not to be buried in awful menus.
I believe what you are looking for is a movie.
OT: He probably didn't care much for the game before he even got it and many people shouldn't look for yahtzee to say if a game is good or bad but to just point out the flaws he found.
 

karmawesome

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the ironic thing is that the books are good well thought out and fun to read by a brilliant polish author just dosent translate well in to a game i guess
 

Howling Din

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Even if it isn't always accurate, or fair, or even in good taste. Yahtzee's opinion of a game is worth more than almost any other on the web. because his opinion is his, and nobody else s. He wouldn't change it even if the entire world demanded it. That gives it value. The flawed, possibly wrong view of one person who thinks with his own brain is worth far more than the appealing consensus of many. No matter how many there are.
 

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He didn't actually say it was too hard. He said it was boring, and in his personal jargon, 'unintuitive'. Making a game difficult doesn't automatically make it good, and making it easy doesn't automatically make it bad. Yahtzee draws a clear line between difficult and unfair. Or between easy and boring. He judges each game as an individual. Thinking nothing of them until he actually plays them. There are even some JRPGs he doesn't entirely hate.
 

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Your criticism is very much valid. You could skip the scene before the big monsters though, it just didn't work for the first time or two.
 

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KillahMate said:
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Mudkipith said:
I'm primarly a PC gamer and still found this review pretty funny; but the rampant anti-PC thing you've probably started isn't really worth it.
But it's nice that he calls us out on it. It's easy to maintain a smug sense of superiority without really looking critically at the issue. PC elitists are right about some things, wrong about others. Or sometimes they're right for all the wrong reasons.
But if he challenges PC elitists with a review that's factually wrong then they'll just become more entrenched and less likely to listen ("You see, Yahtzee's just making things up! We're not wrong, they're just all against us!"). If you want to force unwilling people to listen your argument must be flawless, not this Swiss cheese thing he's put out.
Not long ago, when the disgrace that was FFXIV online was released, it did not take an expert to see this game had serious, serious flaws, and thusly it was trashed by every single review, corporate and independent (I guess SE dont keep western journalists in pocket like a certain other artistically electronic company do).

And yet, despite the games serious shortcomings, there were hordes of devout sony/SE/FF fans who stolidly defended the game, and claimed it to be a 'true, non-hand holding mmorpg - the antithesis to baby WoW' rather than 'Clearly, the developers couldn't be ****ed'. Such people are platform independent and come from all walks of life from all genre of games. They are, for want of a better word, idiots.

**** them. There will always be nutters who defend a turd because they are brainwashed by marketing and ideals and it is not the job of sane reasonable people to 'force unwilling people to listen'. If they want to waste their money on inferior entertainment experiences, so be it.

And also, lets not forget the inevitable proverb:
The more popular a game is, the more dumbed down for the masses its $equel

You're sitting on a nest egg of a superb gaming experience? SHHHHHH don't tell anybody, because sooner or later, some monoply-tastic publisher will come and **** all over it.
 

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1. The cutscenes can be skipped.
2. Learn from your past mistakes.
3. Why the heck would you rely on auto saves?

The game has quite alot of flaws, but if you think that the difficulty is one of them. Then I think you had better give up gaming.
 

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BunnyKillBot said:
Not long ago, when the disgrace that was FFXIV online was released, it did not take an expert to see this game had serious, serious flaws, and thusly it was trashed by every single review, corporate and independent (I guess SE dont keep western journalists in pocket like a certain other artistically electronic company do).
So? FFXIV was so broken even devs officially apologized for it.

Witcher 2 just expects you to have a working brain. And if not, at least some pattern recognition.
 

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Also good to note, as opposed to the 1% Yahtzee assumes he completed, at that point he's cleared about 2/3rds of the entire game.
I was actually rather offended when it ended so suddenly, I genuinly thought I'd maybe reached the second boss by the time the game cut off.
Despite getting a good deal on the special edition I still feel like I'd rather have my £20 back but, oh well.
 

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ZombieGenesis said:
Also good to note, as opposed to the 1% Yahtzee assumes he completed, at that point he's cleared about 2/3rds of the entire game.
I was actually rather offended when it ended so suddenly, I genuinly thought I'd maybe reached the second boss by the time the game cut off.
Despite getting a good deal on the special edition I still feel like I'd rather have my £20 back but, oh well.
How do you know how much he completed? You can do that quest almost anywhere in the CH1, as far as I know.

Plus 2/3? Seriously? Second chapter is longer, or at least the same length. And changes alot depending on who you side with. So 2/5 at best.

But yes, It could have been longer.
 

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I loved both the game and the review :p

True, some explanation would be nice, but it was nice to play a game that didn't hold my hand all the time. Every game seems afraid that it's audience will have a heart attack if they don't know what they have to do every picosecond of their existence.

A shame Yahtzee didn't have fun with this, he may have liked the plot, since it wasn't something you see often in games lately, with the regicides and political "games" and whatnot...

ZombieGenesis said:
Also good to note, as opposed to the 1% Yahtzee assumes he completed, at that point he's cleared about 2/3rds of the entire game.
I was actually rather offended when it ended so suddenly, I genuinly thought I'd maybe reached the second boss by the time the game cut off.
Despite getting a good deal on the special edition I still feel like I'd rather have my £20 back but, oh well.
Um, the Kayren was before the end of Chapter 1. The game has 3 chapters, with the second one depending on a decision you make in the first one, so that's 4 chapters, plus epilogue and prologue. How was that the 2/3rds of the game?
 

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Funny fact about the STD joke: Geralt is STD Immune and infertile. It's a Witcher thing that serves to allow him to have as much unprotected sex as he wants. Certainly not as much as the first game but certainly more satisfying than collecting pootang like baseball cards.

It's a pretty tough game from what I've seen of Let's Plays mostly due to it's lack of a proper tutorial, kinda like the videogame equivalent of pushing a kid into a pool and hoping he learns to swim. I remember it's remarked in a Giant Bomb Quick Look that the game doesn't even tell you about the lock-on function.

Still, from what I've seen the story does get interesting if it's played out. Don't know if Yahtzee sided with either Roche (human with a bitchin' turban-thing) or Iorveth (elf with a bitchin' eyepatch-thing).
 

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Just an idea, maybe next time label a video like this "impressions".

The question now becomes, how often does Yahtzee actually finish the games he reviews after showing such a lack of commitment.
 

rasblak

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It's not that I want Yahtzee to change his opinion. RPG is not his favourite genre and we knew what was coming. It's just that not long ago, I played Borderlands. It was instant gratification... that simply could not last; automated game-writin..err... weapons-generation? A bazillion weapons. Big deal. They even have a Game of The Year edition of that.
I tried to install Dead Rising 2 but considered myself lucky I was not able to.

So, Yes, with things like those previous two out there, when the Witcher 2 comes along I gladly welcome a blessing and owe it to the developers to say something. Golden Axe, PoP, and King's Quest evolving, that's The Witcher in my book.

::Almost Forgot:: Obviously, indeed, Geralt has 2 swords because "Does he tend to lose them?"
 

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ZombieGenesis said:
Also good to note, as opposed to the 1% Yahtzee assumes he completed, at that point he's cleared about 2/3rds of the entire game.
I was actually rather offended when it ended so suddenly, I genuinly thought I'd maybe reached the second boss by the time the game cut off.
Despite getting a good deal on the special edition I still feel like I'd rather have my £20 back but, oh well.
The Kayran is ~8 hours into a 30 hour game.

And when I say 30 hour I mean a single playthrough, you could play a second playthrough and making a certain choice different the entire second chapter will be completely different.
 

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BunnyKillBot said:
Except everyone shat on FFIIVCXMVII (whatever number the MMORPG one was) because it was a bad game. Pretty much everyone praised the Witcher 2 to high heaven, and pointed out the couple of flaws it has that kept it from being a completely polished experience. A large number of reviewers didn't care about the tutorial/UI/control issues, and gave it 100's. Yahtzee doesn't like it, but anyone who thinks "Yahtzee doesn't like it = bad game" need to work on their pattern recognition skills.
 

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BunnyKillBot said:
If you are suggesting the people who blindly defending FFXIV to the people who are defending TW2 then there are a few things worth pointing out.

FFXIV was critically shit upon, the developers were apologizing for it being as it is like crazy, and even the most hardcore fans were disowning the game and even Square Enix (go read about the fan who dumped all his stock, and he had a lot of stock, and caused Square Enix's stock to crash for a short time).

TW2 was critically praised with the sole exception of The Escapist it seems, and none of the other two things seem to be happening.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
BunnyKillBot said:
Except everyone shat on FFIIVCXMVII (whatever number the MMORPG one was) because it was a bad game. Pretty much everyone praised the Witcher 2 to high heaven, and pointed out the couple of flaws it has that kept it from being a completely polished experience. A large number of reviewers didn't care about the tutorial/UI/control issues, and gave it 100's. Yahtzee doesn't like it, but anyone who thinks "Yahtzee doesn't like it = bad game" need to work on their pattern recognition skills.
Go on, find me one 100, go on, i dare you.
 

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BunnyKillBot said:
Kahunaburger said:
BunnyKillBot said:
Except everyone shat on FFIIVCXMVII (whatever number the MMORPG one was) because it was a bad game. Pretty much everyone praised the Witcher 2 to high heaven, and pointed out the couple of flaws it has that kept it from being a completely polished experience. A large number of reviewers didn't care about the tutorial/UI/control issues, and gave it 100's. Yahtzee doesn't like it, but anyone who thinks "Yahtzee doesn't like it = bad game" need to work on their pattern recognition skills.
Go on, find me one 100, go on, i dare you.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings/critic-reviews

Here are seven.