Zero Punctuation: Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

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008Zulu_v1legacy

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SiskoBlue said:
They are not treasure hunting games, they are interactive Indiana Jones adventure (let's ignore the 4th though). No one will argue that. They have all the same elements of action set-pieces, comic banter, larger than life villians, characters and sets. However, each of the Indiana Jones films feels distinctly different. They all include an element of supernatural. The only difference has been a more modern setting that 1940s Indiana. Although they consistently go to third world countries where everything looks like it was made in the 1940s so it's still LOOKS like an Indiana Jones film. They also have more focus on a consistent love interest with Elena.

That said, the "puzzles" in Uncharted 3 are ridiculously easy. They used to be much more Tomb Raider like. Now they are barely a hiccup between set-pieces. And if you were born with a crayon up your nose they even have HINTS defaulted ON from the start. So 20 seconds after looking at a puzzle it tells you the answer.

I really liked all 3 Uncharted because I love the Indiana Jones/Swashbuckling films. It's all in good fun. But Uncharted 3 seemed really set on stopping the player from "ruining" their game by expressing any free will. STOP BEING A BAD ACTOR! FOLLOW YOUR LINES AND IF ANYONE ASKS ON THE PRESS JUNKET YOU TELL THEM IT'S THE BEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN..... GOT IT!!!?!
So its kinda like the Indiana Jones point and click game Lucas Arts made back before they thought the entire world consisted of Star Wars? Did they really need the processing power of the PS3 just to remake a point and click adventure game? They have been doing that on the DS for a while now.
 

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008Zulu said:
SiskoBlue said:
They are not treasure hunting games, they are interactive Indiana Jones adventure (let's ignore the 4th though). No one will argue that. They have all the same elements of action set-pieces, comic banter, larger than life villians, characters and sets. However, each of the Indiana Jones films feels distinctly different. They all include an element of supernatural. The only difference has been a more modern setting that 1940s Indiana. Although they consistently go to third world countries where everything looks like it was made in the 1940s so it's still LOOKS like an Indiana Jones film. They also have more focus on a consistent love interest with Elena.

That said, the "puzzles" in Uncharted 3 are ridiculously easy. They used to be much more Tomb Raider like. Now they are barely a hiccup between set-pieces. And if you were born with a crayon up your nose they even have HINTS defaulted ON from the start. So 20 seconds after looking at a puzzle it tells you the answer.

I really liked all 3 Uncharted because I love the Indiana Jones/Swashbuckling films. It's all in good fun. But Uncharted 3 seemed really set on stopping the player from "ruining" their game by expressing any free will. STOP BEING A BAD ACTOR! FOLLOW YOUR LINES AND IF ANYONE ASKS ON THE PRESS JUNKET YOU TELL THEM IT'S THE BEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN..... GOT IT!!!?!
So its kinda like the Indiana Jones point and click game Lucas Arts made back before they thought the entire world consisted of Star Wars? Did they really need the processing power of the PS3 just to remake a point and click adventure game? They have been doing that on the DS for a while now.
No it's like an Indiana Jones movie, and nothing like a point and click game which itself was nothing like the movie it was based on. So yes, if you want to play games that look almost real and feel like your in a movie then you need a PS3, PC or an Xbox360. If you want to play terribly dumbed down games incapable of replicating anything but videogames circa 1984, then yes they could have done it on a DS.
 

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I wonder if Yahtzee will review Halo CE Anniversary Edition?

Apparently that has tried to implement the use of Kinect in the way Yahtzee would like to be used.

Would love to know if its worked or not.
 

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Sexy Devil said:
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Irreducible Sohn said:
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Irreducible Sohn said:
Don't get the hate the Uncharted series gets.
Yathzee dislikes it for two main reasons. One: that the writing is generic and is almost completely stolen from the likes of Indiana Jones and tomb raider (or was it national treasure?) and that he doesn't like nathan drake as a person.

IMO here, you can say that most popular game series gets all of it's ideas from other areas.

ME = Star Wars, CoD/BF = MoH ect. Now, Uncharted obviously isn't the most original by any stretch of the imagination, but you shouldn't hate on the Uncharted series (or any other) just because it isn't % original. Rate it on how the game is, not on what the inspiration is. Just my opinion.

about Drake him self? Eh, at least he's not your average macho guy ala Gears of War.
Well that's how yathzee feels. Me personally. The series doesn't grab any interest from me. It's an aesthetic thing most of the games this generation just don't hit it for me I kinda liked how it was in the 90s with games like jak and daxter, ratchet and clank, and sly cooper. I just don't like the look and feel of games like infamous, call of duty, or uncharted I would never say anything bad about them, (except infamous which I played and hated) it just lacks the style and color that I find endearing.
Every single one of those came out in the early to mid 2000s and they're still making Ratchet and Clank games. There's a new Sly game on the way, and there have been a few crappy Jak and Daxter spin-offs in recent memory.

Yathzee dislikes it for two main reasons. One: that the writing is generic and is almost completely stolen from the likes of Indiana Jones and tomb raider (or was it national treasure?) and that he doesn't like nathan drake as a person.
Considering the majority of Uncharted 3's writing is based on the character relationships rather than the adventure itself I'd say he's just poking fun with the derision.
I know that and i've even bought some of them as well what I was referring to was games like those being the norm. Ya know the colorful mascot genre with cartoony characters going on amusing adventures? Ratchet and clank retained some dignity but everyone else sort of decayed and now the genre is exclusively used for movie tie in games and indie titles.
 

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Still gunna try it... fun is fun and that's more than what most games these days offer lol.
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
By any chance are us English all evil in it?
Why aren't the Americans ever the evil ones?
GAH!!!

Anyway... Funny review as always.
We are, quite frequently in fiction and fantasy, but then people tend to complain that the hero is also American... except when they aren't, at which point it's rapidly forgotten. Machete being a recent example. Something like "Angel Cop".. an old anime, being another example... and oh yes, various HK action movies, albiet most of the ones really blunt about it tend not to make it into the US officially.

Right now it's hip to hate on the US and try and pretend an issue is there that isn't. with the majority of movies and TV shows coming from US film studios, with the US being the biggest market for entertainment... including games (which we are discussing) it's true that there is going to be a US focus, though it's by no means exclusive. Still nerd-culture hipsters like Yahtzee and Moviebob can't avoid picking on this point. Ditto for the alleged racial bias, albiet Yahtzee is a bit more joking about that, but even so when he re-uses the same material again and again it causes me to wonder when it's going from him trying to be funny to an actual message.

I'll also say that there is a nasty anti-American bias, even within the US from Americans, and one of the ways it manifests is for it to be wrong for an American to portray a culture, nation, etc... as being backwards, messed up, quaint, etc... even though it's perfectly fine for non-Americans to do it. I'm not a big shooter fan, so I haven't played Uncharted 2 or 3 (I did play the first one though to give it a shot), but listening to the comments about the portrayal of brits makes me think of a lot of the criticisms being leveled against the country by other Brits especially during the recent riots, largely the conservative crowd as opposed to the youth "movements". I suppose there are a lot of people who detest the whole "classic" vibe, old timey pubs, and so on and so forth, but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate depending on where you happen to be. In comparison if another face of the UK was shown and Drake went on a massive Chav killing spree for whatever reason, with that being the focus of the UK, there would have been even more complaints. In the end no matter which way it goes someone is going to QQ about the US and the portrayal.


... and I mean face it, even the red phone booth outside isn't pushing things terribly since it could have been left there as an antique. Down here in New England you see stuff like that all over the place, and probably 90% of the diners and bars are absolutly packed with antiques and old knicknacks just like the typical portrayal of New England, even when you get away from the tourist areas.
 

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Listening to Yahtzee rip on this one was oddly satisfying...

PS3 exclusives, why do you all have to suck so much?
 

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SiskoBlue said:
No it's like an Indiana Jones movie, and nothing like a point and click game which itself was nothing like the movie it was based on. So yes, if you want to play games that look almost real and feel like your in a movie then you need a PS3, PC or an Xbox360. If you want to play terribly dumbed down games incapable of replicating anything but videogames circa 1984, then yes they could have done it on a DS.
It wasn't based off any of the movies.

So why didn't they just use Indiana Jones instead of what appears to be a cheap knockoff?
 

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sazzrah said:
Harsh but fair, I guess. Even though I enjoyed the game immensely I too did start seeing the cracks in the game - most notably the recurring plot themes from Uncharted 2 and the lack of significant character development in this particular outing.

It was way too tacit and 'alluded to' rather than clearly touched upon... prime offender being the relationship between Drake and Elena. I mean, all this talk of a ring and wearing the ring, and not wearing the ring... yet no mention of the significance of it! So are they married or what?! Way too vague for me.

I disagree that the series is past it;s sell by date though, I finished the game desperate for Uncharted 4 so bring it on Naughty Dog... Bring it on!
Far preferable to having Sully say some forced expository line like "hey, didn't you and Elena get married last year? And then break up shortly after that?" Spoon feeding character relationships is something way too many games do.
Yes, that would quite obviously be shit. Is that what you imagine I was hoping for? lol Thankfully there's some scope between being tickled with a feather and smacked with a sledgehammer.
 

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Yahtzee: " ?Don?t like Uncharted when kill me but don?t tell me they?re trying to kill me.??really?
 

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"Uncharted 4: Drake's On A Plain"? Oh Yahtzee, you brighten up my day so much.
 

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sazzrah said:
drummond13 said:
sazzrah said:
Harsh but fair, I guess. Even though I enjoyed the game immensely I too did start seeing the cracks in the game - most notably the recurring plot themes from Uncharted 2 and the lack of significant character development in this particular outing.

It was way too tacit and 'alluded to' rather than clearly touched upon... prime offender being the relationship between Drake and Elena. I mean, all this talk of a ring and wearing the ring, and not wearing the ring... yet no mention of the significance of it! So are they married or what?! Way too vague for me.

I disagree that the series is past it;s sell by date though, I finished the game desperate for Uncharted 4 so bring it on Naughty Dog... Bring it on!
Far preferable to having Sully say some forced expository line like "hey, didn't you and Elena get married last year? And then break up shortly after that?" Spoon feeding character relationships is something way too many games do.
Yes, that would quite obviously be shit. Is that what you imagine I was hoping for? lol Thankfully there's some scope between being tickled with a feather and smacked with a sledgehammer.

Heh, true. I guess I felt this game achieved that balance. You complained that it was unclear if they had been married; I thought it was very clear, just not explicitely stated. Almost every other game these days prefers the sledgehammer route, so if a game leans more towards the feather I guess I consider this a plus, not a minus.
 

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I played Uncharted 1 which was a fine game, but I couldn't see myself playing #2 and #3 due to the same plot given. Don't get me wrong, the game does sound fun but if I don't get into it enough then I stop after the first game.
I always felt that Uncharted 2 made the same mistake that Pirates of the Caribbean 2 did, take a fun cast and story, and suddenly make it grittier, sexier, and have people become chronic backstabbers and pretend backstabbers! And all in the meanwhile ripping off other things! (Monkey Island in case of Pirates, and Indiana Jones and various other things in case of Uncharted)
 

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008Zulu said:
SiskoBlue said:
No it's like an Indiana Jones movie, and nothing like a point and click game which itself was nothing like the movie it was based on. So yes, if you want to play games that look almost real and feel like your in a movie then you need a PS3, PC or an Xbox360. If you want to play terribly dumbed down games incapable of replicating anything but videogames circa 1984, then yes they could have done it on a DS.
It wasn't based off any of the movies.

So why didn't they just use Indiana Jones instead of what appears to be a cheap knockoff?
Alright pedant "nothing like a point and click game which itself was nothing like the it was based on".

Why did they make an original IP instead of using Indiana Jones? Probably the 20% of the profits that would be siphoned off for the licensing fee to use Indiana Jones? Plus we all saw how successful bringing Indiana Jones back was right? If they made Indiana Jones Uncharted it may have distracted from the brilliance of Indiana Jones and the kingdom of bad plots and direction...err I mean skulls.
 

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Now now, we also had Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, which was a nifty action adventure game that had an original story, good gameplay, and puzzles that made sense.
 

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what happened to zero punctuation RSS feed?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/rss/articles/editorials/zeropunctuation

It's full of junk for some reason...
 

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If naughty dog now follow their routine, the next game should be uncharted kart racing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naughty_Dog
 

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I agree because I tried to start this game. Got about an hour in and wanted to punch Drake in the face. He is completely obnoxious, not funny and just makes excuses for everything. The section where he was a kid made me want to curb stomp him. I gave up instantly. I cant stand a game where I have to play as a completely obnoxious, unlikable douchbag.