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scott91575

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StriderShinryu said:
PoisonUnagi said:
StriderShinryu said:
PoisonUnagi said:
StriderShinryu said:
PoisonUnagi said:
Wait, remind me why I care again?
You shouldn't care.. if you're okay with the potential of every game being as mature as Barbie Pony Adventures that is. If you, on the other hand, actually enjoy games that take on challenging story content or involve some level of blood/gore then you might want to start caring.
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Look at my profile, then post again.
Figured I'd check it out.. what is it I was supposed to see that was going to change my mind? I did notice your most recent Steam game was TF2, which involves gun violence towards human like characters. That's the sort of thing that might end up tossed in the trash can should the case Yahtzee is referring to end up going against gamers.
Ugh, looks like I have to do this for you. Hang on a moment.

Thanks for the effort, and I figured that's what you may have been referring to though I was kind of hoping you had something else up your sleeve that I was missing as what you're pointing out has already been dealt with.

I'm sure NZ is a beautiful place but I'm really not sure how many games get made there though, especially without intent to sell them in the US. As others have already said numerous times, if the case Yahtzee is talking about goes through then there will be a legal age restriction in the US, which I'm taking it you get. What you don't seem to be considering is what sort of company that puts videogames in with. Stores, especially big American ones with the type of economic placement like WalMart, will almost certainly not carry something that is legally age restricted (like, say, pornography). If stores don't carry legally age restricted games then they will not be made and, on top of that, this case would set a precedent that would allow the type of material considered restrictive to be decided upon by people who don't actually play or care about games. It would start with easy targets like Postal or Manhunt type ultra violence, but just look at how riled up non-gamers got over the "sex-scene" in Mass Effect or just the option to attack police officers in GTA and so on.

If you're still left wondering why yourself, a happy resident of NZ, should care just consider the size of your native market compared to the US. The US is the biggest market in the world for games, and it includes many of the biggest game development companies. As I stated above, if US companies can't sell their own mature games in their own country they're not going to make special versions with all the mature stuff that can be sold elsewhere, they're just going to water everything down until it can be sold. If game companies in Japan or the UK can't sell their mature games to the dominant market that is the US then they will either restrict foreign development altogether or will be forced to edit their content to match US standards. Also consider that once a ruling like this goes forward in the US, governments outside of the US will have even more ammunition to crack down further on mature games in their own backyard.
The US already has a rating system, and I believe 99% of retailers follow those rules concerning sales to minors (including Walmart). So what you are talking about is already in effect. The problem that the industry has is the fear the government will take over their rating system, which right now is not government run. That is why they are fighting it. The rest I have discussed is about First Amendment rights.

Right now M rated games are sold almost everywhere, and not sold to minors. The video game industry simply wants to control the rating system and they mask it under First Amendment rights issue. Now, for me, many people in the US, and the Supreme Court that is the issue. Yet the group being promoted here is about controlling the system, not video game or First Amendment rights (although they will certainly mask it that way to get more support).
 

Gizen

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PoisonUnagi said:
'Kay, that's good to know.
Wait, remind me why I care again?
A) Why don't you care? Is it because you're not from the US? Neither am I, but this can and will still affect you if you buy or play any games made by US companies.
B) You accused Yahtzee of selling out, explain to me in what way he's done so.
 

blankedboy

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Gizen said:
PoisonUnagi said:
'Kay, that's good to know.
Wait, remind me why I care again?
A) Why don't you care? Is it because you're not from the US? Neither am I, but this can and will still affect you if you buy or play any games made by US companies.
B) You accused Yahtzee of selling out, explain to me in what way he's done so.
I don't care because there's literally nothing I can do about it for another 4-6 years. Besides, I can deal with some more shitty games coming out, there's still plenty of games in the meantime that I can play. I've got three games sitting on my desktop that I haven't even played yet, it's not like I don't have enough to keep me occupied.

As for B, the ESA have clearly paid Yahtzee to get this video shown. Think about that, why the hell would Yahtzee just randomly decide to make a video about this, let alone put THIS IS A SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE ESA right at the start of it. How obvious can it be?
 

mechanixis

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Hey, this would have been great if absolutely anyone on the Escapist lived in the United States and was also of voting age.

Not that it's going to stop anyone from yammering on about themselves in the comments section.
 

Wolf Hagen

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I see the Focus on the U.S. side clearly, but the problem is that even some Goverments within Europe (my Homecountry Germany beeing the most serious thread of censorship yet. Equal to Australia) the Politicians here see Games as a potential target and vote catcher whenever something goes nut with guns. Just one Exeption yet so far.

It's not just about the Market, but the freedom of the speach / giving the Elected Ladies and Gentlemen the insight that Games as they are are not equal to expensive Fisher Price Toys but more spread over every age and therefore should be self regulated instead of censored.
 

Dhatz

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OH WHAT THE 30 BILLIONS SHITS IS THAT? another nazi american site that presumes all members must have US ZIP code! fuck you 38 times in a row! Don't these organisations want to have the opinion of the whole world? No cuz they're nazis.
 

Porygon-2000

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Pugiron said:
Glad evil, stupid America has a Constitution, unlike Britain, and that our Constitution has a Bill of Rights to guarantee us those rights, unlike Australia's Constitution.
Now, you act as if a lack of a bill of rights is a bad thing. It honestly isn't. While it is true that Australia does not have one, it hardly makes daily life any different. It just means we got rid of the gun nuts after the first big massacre (Port Arthur, to those not in the know), rather than having them hide behind a scrap of paper.

...Legal Studies FTW!
 

Valkyrie1981

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Beyond the rant

To call Yahtzee a sell out is rather disingenuous to his own rights. I've spent some time in Australia and for all its loveliness their are many problems with how they censor from their citizens.

Granted the site he is promoting is rather silly idea of going against the highly successful self regulation the Video Game industry does. However this is what he felt his beliefs allied on. He isn't an idiot and knows that whatever the United States does, Australia and their Black Hat neighbors will not only parrot it, but put it on steroids.

With the United States in the middle of a Electoral Revolution it is not surprising, someone as vocal as Yahtzee would throw in his hat.

It will take decades to fix the economic mess the United States put itself in over the past ten years of poor economic policies. We are also suffering from Generational welfare, which only increases poverty, crime, and more government intervention. It will take even longer to replace the activist judges who are forcing legislation from the bench.

I am sure it is only a matter of time before President Obama has no problem to rule by Fiat which he has done dozens of times, so I am sure it is a matter of time before a Czar is created or appointed to regulate video games. Remember we are talking about a administrator who by rule by fiat has made it so that the President can at anytime shutdown the internet within the United States.

Censorship is one of the oldest problems in the world, and in a free society one of the first things dictators enact.
 

HotFezz8

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Ocelano said:
HotFezz8 said:
im english, isn't this just aimed at yanks?
so? yahtzhees a british voiced aussie he's doing his bit.

Off topic did anybody think something sounded different about his voice or speech pattern I spent the whole thing thinking that he sounded wrong
ah, no you misinterpretted me. what i meant was that i tried. but being british i can't contribute. and yahtzee is a brit/auzzie anyway.
 

EHKOS

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Ocelano said:
HotFezz8 said:
im english, isn't this just aimed at yanks?
so? yahtzhees a british voiced aussie he's doing his bit.

Off topic did anybody think something sounded different about his voice or speech pattern I spent the whole thing thinking that he sounded wrong
Yeah I noticed he sounded off too.
 

joshuaayt

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Well, this is great and all, but why is Yahtzee doing this again? I suppose he's a logical choice, as far as coverage goes.
Anyway, as an Australian, I can merely support the idea, whilst nervously glancing at our own video game issues. So I'll do that.
EHKOS said:
Ocelano said:
HotFezz8 said:
im english, isn't this just aimed at yanks?
so? yahtzhees a british voiced aussie he's doing his bit.

Off topic did anybody think something sounded different about his voice or speech pattern I spent the whole thing thinking that he sounded wrong
Yeah I noticed he sounded off too.
He sounded more like he used to, in the old videos. Can't say why, maybe it's his serious voice?
 

8bitdragon

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Brilliantly said! Video games need to be protected under the same rights that protect other forms of free speech.
 

DustyDrB

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I guess it doesn't make much sense for politicians to pander to video game fans. From what I've seen here (and this includes me), we're a bunch of people jaded to the whole politico to the point of just choosing to be uninvolved. So in our seeing politics for what it is and subsequently ignoring it, we've kind of made ourselves vulnerable.
 

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albino boo said:
The same law is already extant in most of the democratic world, the EU alone has 500 million people living in it. The presumption that America is bigger market that the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Korea combined is just plain wrong. In the UK Asda, which is owned by walmart, sells 18 rated games. Also Amazon, steam, direct to drive and gamestop all continue to sell 18 games. Most western countries already have boards that give legally enforced age requirements to films, yet somehow manage to maintain artistic freedom, in fact French and German film is considerably more political than Hollywood. Bottom line here guys, if virtually the entire western world has this law without any threat to sales or to freedom of speech, why is America so different?
Because some people, that the uninformed masses think are cool, say it's bad. Get over it USA. It's not as bad as you think - by far. Like i said, it may even be a chance to have more mature games be made, once the kid's welfare has been taken care of. No more ambiguity.
 

Lonan

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I couldn't care less about happens to the to the U.S., and am disappointed that Yahtzee would follow said country on Facebook and waste an entire video talking about the issues his new friend is facing. I waited a week for this video.
 

Kuchinawa212

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I dunno, I don't wanna feel like a drone for just doing what yahtzee says but.... I dunno seems like a good cause