Defending CAD and saying the Catherine Tate show is humerous....my faith in humanity has reached a new low.
Zero Punctuation: Webcomics
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Yahtzee speaks from experience with this one. He himself has not only made a shitty CTRL+C, CTRL+V webcomic starring an amnesiac version of himself, AND a sprite comic. I should know, I read both of them from start to finish. Had some laughs, mostly had monotonous clicking as I obsessively pored through the archives before ZP even existed. I can't even remember how I found his site. I think it was through a jayisgames link to his games...
His saving grace is that neither were gaming comics, and he stopped updating them and has made no attempt to start a webcomic since. He instead started a gaming video series that utilizes minimalist drawings that are repeatedly re-used on a solid yellow background... He makes up for it through massive amounts of humorous narration... google images of box-art and props are often used... he is causing a shitstorm by attacking all shitty gaming comics...
Shit, I like Yahtzee and I'm having trouble rationalizing this one. The only thing he mentioned that isn't in Zero Punctuation are the characters, and even then there is the self-insertion behatted bobble-head that serves as his avatar. Oh, and he is actually funny, but that is subjective.
This line of reasoning is unpleasant.
Then again, this isn't fictional. These are reviews. I feel better now.
His saving grace is that neither were gaming comics, and he stopped updating them and has made no attempt to start a webcomic since. He instead started a gaming video series that utilizes minimalist drawings that are repeatedly re-used on a solid yellow background... He makes up for it through massive amounts of humorous narration... google images of box-art and props are often used... he is causing a shitstorm by attacking all shitty gaming comics...
Shit, I like Yahtzee and I'm having trouble rationalizing this one. The only thing he mentioned that isn't in Zero Punctuation are the characters, and even then there is the self-insertion behatted bobble-head that serves as his avatar. Oh, and he is actually funny, but that is subjective.
This line of reasoning is unpleasant.
Then again, this isn't fictional. These are reviews. I feel better now.
I read webcomics.
I'm also one of those female creatures.
I've read Ctrl+Alt+Del previously. And I stopped after that awful storyline.
And there isn't one thing I can fault Zero Punctuation for. It may be ironic, it may be hypocritical, but nonetheless, it's all true.
Anyone speaking to an audience, whether blogger, web comic writer or reviewer shouldn't just simply talk about a subject; they need to TALK TO THEIR AUDIENCE. And this whole story didn't speak or resonate with the audience at all. Nobody gets emotionally attached to webcomic characters. So the whole thing played cold.
If I wanted to read about how miscarriage can impact lives of people, I'd join the O Network. That whole story arc wasn't about entertaining nor was is for the audience (you know, those of us whose traffic pays his salary).
I'm also one of those female creatures.
I've read Ctrl+Alt+Del previously. And I stopped after that awful storyline.
And there isn't one thing I can fault Zero Punctuation for. It may be ironic, it may be hypocritical, but nonetheless, it's all true.
Anyone speaking to an audience, whether blogger, web comic writer or reviewer shouldn't just simply talk about a subject; they need to TALK TO THEIR AUDIENCE. And this whole story didn't speak or resonate with the audience at all. Nobody gets emotionally attached to webcomic characters. So the whole thing played cold.
If I wanted to read about how miscarriage can impact lives of people, I'd join the O Network. That whole story arc wasn't about entertaining nor was is for the audience (you know, those of us whose traffic pays his salary).
Well no, the reason people don't get emotionally attached to webcomic characters is because by and large they are not people. Before I get carted of to the loony bin I should explain, a good writer makes his characters real and then they will react almost on their own to what ever stimulus there is. Not so much making them do some thing but thinking how they will react, Buckly and most other webcomic authors lack this ability. If you don't have this ability (added to the fact the characters have been living in a consequence free world till then) at best you will come up with a story that is nearly impossible to empathise with and at worst seem like a disrespectful jack ass in the process.
Now it is not impossible for a webcomic writer to have that sort of talent, its just people with that sort of ability are normally making use of it writing other things. Now if Buckly and other of these writers actively tried to improve things might be better, but when people get praised for any old shit that is never going to happen. Destructive criticism is very useful at times, sadly too many people just clam up rather than except their ego needed some bruising. I would much rather have some one tell me my story was shit and derogatory than have people heap praise on it because they where worried about upsetting me.
Now it is not impossible for a webcomic writer to have that sort of talent, its just people with that sort of ability are normally making use of it writing other things. Now if Buckly and other of these writers actively tried to improve things might be better, but when people get praised for any old shit that is never going to happen. Destructive criticism is very useful at times, sadly too many people just clam up rather than except their ego needed some bruising. I would much rather have some one tell me my story was shit and derogatory than have people heap praise on it because they where worried about upsetting me.
My problem with Cad is summed up by this:
http://www.vgcats.com/aprilfoooolsimages/BU.jpg
There are too many words and poor punchlines/jokes. And I don't think it can be said that it's just because he updates too often to develop better artistic skills, writing skills and whatnot, just look at cyanide and happiness, those guys are f'in hilarious.
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1333/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1332/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1330/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1329/
All of these were written this week.
http://www.vgcats.com/aprilfoooolsimages/BU.jpg
There are too many words and poor punchlines/jokes. And I don't think it can be said that it's just because he updates too often to develop better artistic skills, writing skills and whatnot, just look at cyanide and happiness, those guys are f'in hilarious.
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1333/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1332/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1330/
http://www.explosm.net/comics/1329/
All of these were written this week.
I'm a bit confused as to why a character with "crippling issues" is a reason that no one should like them as a character, but whatever, let's let that issue drop. What I was trying to point out is that without the Creator Breakdown [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreatorBreakdown] in Evangelion, it probably wouldn't have become as popular, memorable, or influential as it was. It was definitely one of the better pulled-off cases of creator breakdown; if you want to see what's considered a poor example, see Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's a reason season six of that series is often nicknamed "season sux"; while it had possibly the best episode in the series ("Once More, With Feeling"), soon after that episode it fell into a spiral of pretty much trying to make the characters as unhappy and miserable as possible. But even Buffy slightly spread out the transition into angst rather than throwing it all in at once.Kovash86 said:
But in the end, I question if this arc in Ctrl+Alt+Del is even an example of Creator Breakdown or the creator using it to try to "cope" with something. From what I can tell it's mostly a case of trying to awkwardly insert DRAMA? into the strip. So I'm not even certain if the discussion about creator breakdown even applies.
For the most part I've been avoiding criticism of the rest of Ctrl+Alt+Del, because I (kind of) liked it; sure, a lot of the jokes fell flat, but some were funny and I found it at least entertaining. But the miscarriage was so sudden and badly-handled that I can't possibly see any way someone could defend it. "Roomies!" is often criticized for falling into depression, but even that was a gradual shift. I can't really think of anything that tried to cram in DRAMA? as suddenly and awkwardly as Ctrl+Alt+Del did.
love the ideo of fans fighting ...yathzee must be amusing himself about this....on the cad issue it was weird story arc but it was funny beacuse i saw the bashing first and the the comic....other thing im confused i think Vg Cats is hilarious dont you think ???
love the video...fans fighting is hilarious i mean its a comic its not going to change your life if somebody doesnt like your favorite comic...yathzee must be amusing himself about this....on the cad issue it was weird story arc but it was funny beacuse i saw the bashing first and then the comic....other thing im confused i think Vg Cats is hilarious dont you think ???
I thought Eva was cool before I saw the creator freak out on us, frankly that detracted from the enjoyment I got out of it.Lord_Seth said:
I've already stated my opinion (which is borderline fact in this particular case, don't get me wrong I wish it wasn't, I wish that the events that lead up to this whole thread never happened it is tragic and unfair, but too few things are fair) on coping through art.
Jesus ive gotta say reading though most of these pages of nonsense has made me giggle, i used to know about CAD when it was a part of freepress with several other comics which names escape me now, anyhow my point im sure Yahtzee is laughing at all the stupid comments that have been made and i certainly hope we get another mailbag showdown dedicated to Webcomics!!!
http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=752
http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=752
The wasn't the best of the vidoes I've watched, but then I only read the comics my friend IMs me to.
And I think I draw ok"ish" in paint as long as what I'm drawing is 600x, and if I have a mouse to move around, not my finger and and track pad I have to keep clicked on with my thumb limting the rage of my pointer finger to draw with.
And I think I draw ok"ish" in paint as long as what I'm drawing is 600x, and if I have a mouse to move around, not my finger and and track pad I have to keep clicked on with my thumb limting the rage of my pointer finger to draw with.
Believe it or not, it's spelled "shillelagh". Gaelic is weird.Spacehouse said:
But of course I only know this because of this.
I am a sad and pathetic creature.
Thanks for the info McChicken! I went and looked at Yahtzee's list and sure enough he liked it. BUT! He didn't like Dr.McNinja. I wonder why? I REALLY like Dr. McNinja.