Zero Punctuation: Webcomics

[Gioll]

You know. I often wonder where the phrase "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" dissapeared too. Maybe it's having a nice holiday.

Anyway, My point is why the hell are we attacking each other over differences in opinion?
Why in the hell can't we just leave well enough alone. Sure, Yahtzee hates CAD. Yay for him, I love it. That's my opinion, my mind and I Defy you to change it.

 

[Plowking]

I kind of get the feeling people missed the main point of Yahtzee's, "Webcomics: How to make millions of gamers happy with the minimum amount of effort."

Honestly, it didn't strike me as a, "CAD, is the crappest Webcomic ever made and I hate it more then hate itself" but more, "Webcomics, need critics along with the whole internet"

As he said in his mailbag showdown, "Since the internet is almost diametrically opposed to the notion of quality control. In recent years it's been a lot easier to just assume everything is shit until it can prove itself otherwise."

He points out Webcomics suffer from the fact that you can find someone, somewhere on the internet that's going to think your crap is the best thing ever. Thus, the author/artist believes they've reached perfection and improvement isn't needed. Anyone who says different is automatically an asshat and can be ignored.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Josheph Goebbel.

That's what I got from this, Yantzee himself would have to quote on this to let me know if I hit the target.

This isn't a "Anti-CAD" feature but a, "Artists, need to stop listening to yes men and start listening to critics so their art can improve instead of being lazy and stuck on Mediocre Avenue."

I have to agree with that post - it's exactly like I was saying...it's the 'CAD Club' of yes men, who go along with what TB does and keeps him doing it no matter how messed up he gets.

It's like a person becoming an alcoholic, and so all the friends of this person recognise his 'right' to be an alcoholic if he wants to be, because they all enjoy his comical stumbling around. And instead of helping him beat it, they actively encourage, or just say 'sure, that's fine', and hand him another drink.

Some (or most) of TB's fans are partly to blame really - it's more the sad acceptance of mediocrity of TB's work and awful writing (and the censorship that is RAMPANT on the CAD forums) that has kept that thing going.

And I applaud ZP for making the point open to more people. He gave a lot of people a relevant thread on the CAD forum that couldn't be denied because even some CAD fans admitted that a) it was funny b)it was relevant, and c) they were against TB's attempt to censor it yet again because ZP had his own backing which added weight to the proceedings.

 

[milskidasith]

I've got to say Yahtzee hit it head on about the whole "being an asshat" thing.

I have met two complete assholes that run some form of game/comic in the course of my life. True, I've met bigger assholes elsewhere, but none of them were ever, you know, in the position where they could ban me for criticizing them, which both of them did.

First off, Tim Buckley himself. Yes, I was slightly abrasive about the way I criticized his work, but be basically called me an idiot and permabanned me so I couldn't reply to his bull as he sat forgetting about the bad man who didn't like his work while his yes men congratulated him (I'm suprised the one guy who kind of sort of agreed with me and said it did seem a little bit odd didn't get banned, though I beleive I saw him on the temp ban list a few days later.) Anyway, there is NO WAY that anybody who is, you know, not surrounded by a bunch of yes men would think that somebody saying that the comic suddenly drops a theoretically important (and *gasp* requiring new drawings) new character and has ALL of their characters acting totally different than they normally would (sans Lucas) is an idiot, wrong, and deserves to be permabanned.

The other time was when I said that a new feature in his webgame (Which I still play it, but it's going down the shithole and the fact he has, as far as I can tell, told his mods to ban me at any possible opportunity doesn't help when I legitimatly want to suggest something to me) was bad because it was, well, totally impossible for anybody who had reached level 12 or so before the new feature was put in. Sounds awful, right? Well, he thought it was awesome and (get this) totally original (despite the fact he got most of his early members FROM a gamesite with acheivements and, of course, has heard of the xbox 360) so he banned me for criticizing it, and called me a whiny *****. (Also in this game, anybody who says crap gets a 10 minute ban, though he and his mods get to break their own rules).

When I got back, I repeatedly got verbally assaulted by an idiot mod. Not only that, I found out that mod had a track record. So far the mod has had ONE 10 minute ban and 6 warnings (including going off and dropping about 10 F bombs against me), yet has not at all been de-modded because he is the game creators biggest yes-man.

So rock on Yahtzee. I don't know if many people will see my story, but you nailed it with the whole point about needing quality control and how webcomic (or game) creators raise drama and act like total self absorbed fools.

 

[Sylocat]

The thing is, Cerebus Syndrome takes actual TALENT to pull off successfully.

The miscarriage storyline COULD have worked... if the characters hadn't spent the entire run of the comic up to then establishing themselves as completely unlikeable cardboard cutouts. It might have had real impact... if the characters had any discernible facial expressions whatsoever.

But you know what? Those two things were not present. So it fell flat.

Now to address the other side. Yes, Tim Buckley is a jerk. So is (apparently) Stanley Kubrick to the nth degree, but he made Blade Runner so everyone loves him.

1. Ridley Scott, not Stanley Kubrick, made Blade Runner.
2. None of that has any relation to what's going on here, because Blade Runner is really good, and CAD is terrible.

 

[lee99]

lol , u caught the attention of an israeli webcomic
http://forum.vgames.co.il/content.php?do=view&f=92&id=2452
they made a comic about u

 

[DrmChsr0]

Ok tempdude, your talking rights are revoked until you can stop abusing them and start thinking. Seriously I can see why you like Yatzee this way, your just a sad, pathetic little man who wants to be angery at everyone and everything and curl up into your little ball of "I'm right your wrong" bitterness until the four hoursemen come and take us all. As far as I am concerned your just not talking anymore because you don't know what the hell you are talking about ever.

now ignoring Tempdude, who is apparently a high and mighty god and as such able to equate racism with letting ones emotions dictate a course of a relationship you don't want to admit is doomed, the larger point is that Yatzee is just losing it if he really thinks that he needs to police and critic everything. He has stopped being charming and insightful and now just decides "you know what? I think this sucks so I am going to tear it a new one." Why the hell can't he be posative once in a while? Why can't we have another review where he takes some really good obscure game and says "HAY! GUESS WHAT! this game kicks ass and you should all look for it because of this reason and that reason." No. Instead he is just taking things he personally does not like and picking the living hell out of them because he can. The internet does not need criticism, but if he really thinks that how about we start with ZP. How about we start with how his saterical high and mighty act seems to have taken on more serious undertones? The fact that even if he kind of has some things he likes about some games he seriously downplays them now and seems to focus on just being an ass. He has gone from a witty and funny to just self absorbed and vapid rather quickly. Now I know Tempdude is going to start twisting my words and bitching at me because he seems to have no idea what I am saying or chooses to ignore it so he can be a jerk and lift his ego but I am still going to say it. Yatzee is no better than TB.

Thats right I said it, he is no better than Tim because he is still stuck up his own ass. Any of you who say TB is a bad person for what he does or what he feels are too. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." well You don't know whats in the mans heart and even if he says he felt nothing how on earth do you know if thats really the case? Thats the thing that gets to me. If you people really don't find CAD funny thats fine. I am not trying to change anyones mind on that. You can make all the coments you want on his work and what you think of the positions he puts forward and his idea of humor and thats just fine because thats his work and you are the consumers and that is your job. However Finding out about a real situation like this and just making a snap judgement that he is a bad human being, whats more saying he is a bad human being for what may be simply the very simple desire to try and keep what he may have thought of at the time as a relationship he 'should' save is just wrong.

None of us are above judgement. None of you are nor am I. I have to say that I am dissapointed in Yatzee for what I consider taking the 'easy way out' again and even more so for his apparent feelings that we need more real criticism on the expression of art for people because what it boils down to is he doesn't like those comics and I could give a rats ass about his opinion on something subjective. But what really gets me is when people here try and judge whats in a mans heart or what kind of person he is because of some situation that you really know nothing about. Its like watching a bunch of old ladies at church pick someone apart behind their back because of some situation they know something about. Just think about that people.

...Yeah, and people apparently stated B^U^U^U^U^U^U^u^u^u^U^U^uckley's character, how he got over it in 10 seconds, and him staying in a relationship he deems 'toxic'.

I dunno man but it seems like you're acting like all of us without even realizing it.

 

[KobukSohn]

Ok tempdude, your talking rights are revoked until you can stop abusing them and start thinking. Seriously I can see why you like Yatzee this way, your just a sad, pathetic little man who wants to be angery at everyone and everything and curl up into your little ball of "I'm right your wrong" bitterness until the four hoursemen come and take us all. As far as I am concerned your just not talking anymore because you don't know what the hell you are talking about ever.

now ignoring Tempdude, who is apparently a high and mighty god and as such able to equate racism with letting ones emotions dictate a course of a relationship you don't want to admit is doomed, the larger point is that Yatzee is just losing it if he really thinks that he needs to police and critic everything. He has stopped being charming and insightful and now just decides "you know what? I think this sucks so I am going to tear it a new one." Why the hell can't he be posative once in a while? Why can't we have another review where he takes some really good obscure game and says "HAY! GUESS WHAT! this game kicks ass and you should all look for it because of this reason and that reason." No. Instead he is just taking things he personally does not like and picking the living hell out of them because he can. The internet does not need criticism, but if he really thinks that how about we start with ZP. How about we start with how his saterical high and mighty act seems to have taken on more serious undertones? The fact that even if he kind of has some things he likes about some games he seriously downplays them now and seems to focus on just being an ass. He has gone from a witty and funny to just self absorbed and vapid rather quickly. Now I know Tempdude is going to start twisting my words and bitching at me because he seems to have no idea what I am saying or chooses to ignore it so he can be a jerk and lift his ego but I am still going to say it. Yatzee is no better than TB.

Thats right I said it, he is no better than Tim because he is still stuck up his own ass. Any of you who say TB is a bad person for what he does or what he feels are too. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." well You don't know whats in the mans heart and even if he says he felt nothing how on earth do you know if thats really the case? Thats the thing that gets to me. If you people really don't find CAD funny thats fine. I am not trying to change anyones mind on that. You can make all the coments you want on his work and what you think of the positions he puts forward and his idea of humor and thats just fine because thats his work and you are the consumers and that is your job. However Finding out about a real situation like this and just making a snap judgement that he is a bad human being, whats more saying he is a bad human being for what may be simply the very simple desire to try and keep what he may have thought of at the time as a relationship he 'should' save is just wrong.

None of us are above judgement. None of you are nor am I. I have to say that I am dissapointed in Yatzee for what I consider taking the 'easy way out' again and even more so for his apparent feelings that we need more real criticism on the expression of art for people because what it boils down to is he doesn't like those comics and I could give a rats ass about his opinion on something subjective. But what really gets me is when people here try and judge whats in a mans heart or what kind of person he is because of some situation that you really know nothing about. Its like watching a bunch of old ladies at church pick someone apart behind their back because of some situation they know something about. Just think about that people.

I believe Yahtzee has stated numerous times that the reason why he shies away from positive statements in his reviews is because (a) not as much humor can be derived from being positive as much as being a negative Nancy and (b) because the role of the critic is to CRITICIZE and the role of the fanboy is to rave on and on ignorantly about whatever it is that?s deemed popular by society.

?The internet does not need criticism.? Few statements can be as ignorant as that. I don?t know how you see the series of tubes these days, but the internet is a social vehicle of expression, a microcosm of the real world. While you may see it as something that needs to be sanitized so as to avoid anybody being offended, I personally believe that anybody is entitled to criticize anything they find undesirable about anything, especially in a mode of expression as large as the internet. That?s a person?s right. At least it is in the United States (woohoo Fourth of July plz dun bash dis american) Whether or not a person?s arguments are valid or relevant is another thing altogether. But yes, just as Yahtzee is entitled to bash Ctrl-Alt-Del and other webcomics that you may or may not like, you?re entitled to bash Yahtzee as well. Just be prepared to receive feedback for your opinions. Yahtzee does, considering he opens up his videos for hundreds of comments apiece.

I understand that a miscarriage during a relationship is an extremely sensitive topic and that it?s ultimately only the business of the couple involved, but Buckley unfortunately opened the issue up to the public eye by creating a story arc about it in a popular webcomic. He should not be surprised that some people would be offended and that there would be an intense amount of feedback over the storyline, and he apparently wasn?t. He didn?t shit his pants and start foaming at the mouth. He explained himself as civilly as he could. He anticipated that he would be judged, so I don?t understand why you?re having such a problem over it.

On a side note, you seem to enjoy evading any points that TempDude makes, favoring ad hominem attacks instead.

On a final note, I agree with the people who state that a good number of the people who watched the video missed the central point of it. It wasn?t a bandwagon call-to-arms to bash a specific webcomic JUS BECUZ IT POPULAR! Ctrl-Alt-Del was just used as a model of common mistakes that many webcomics today make.

I?m not sure what all this business is about Yahtzee having personal issues against Tim Buckley. I?d appreciate if someone could restate the facts, as I?m far too lazy to plow through 20+ pages of comments to find out.

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[milskidasith]

Tim Buckley didn't exactly face the criticism in the eye, though. He prepared for it by banning everybody who criticized, and apparantly, despite the forums going pretty smoothly when I glided over every few days to see the complaints of his abhorration of a storyline, it mysteriously crashed with him saying "it had been going slower and slower every day."

I would probably still respect Tim Buckly a tiny, almost insignificant amount if he had responded to my complaints, or at least called me an asshole and let me keep talking. But when you have to ban criticizers while you jerk off to the crowd of fanboys with their head so deep up your ass all the food you eat just goes straight into their mouths, you've really gone too far.

 

[lickmytoe]

Can you please review Dragonballz Burst limit please please please please pleaaase PLEEEEAASE! because i love Dragonball But i don't like the game and i'm sad that i bought the thing. and i would like you to review it and say how terrible it is.

 

[Mr. Smiles]

Let see here...I am 30 years old....being surrounded by a bunch of kids here that know nothing of good humor.

You do the math....dude.

What math are you referring to here? I see that you claim to be 30 and that you also claim to be surrounded by a bunch of kids (who for the most part are probably older than you) who you claim know nothing about "good" humor. That sounds like a statement of personal belief, and outside of some sort of theoretical mathematics the likes of which the world has ever seen I'm not sure HOW I could apply math to such a belief... There are three variables... one is a given integer value, one is suggested to be lower than (but not equal to) the previously stated value, the other is... wait, you know what? I think you are being sarcastic again! That or you, in your haste to whip up a witty rebuttal to my statement, applied an popular phrase hoping to add value to your statement but instead misusing said phrase, removing any value your statement might have had. Then, just for kicks (and to somehow hint at how you claim to be 30 years old by using a slang term of the "younger" generation) added the word "dude" to the end of your misused phrase. The use of dude suggests you are somehow "above" this generation (and its ideals).

You know what? Instead demeaning myself by further arguing with your flawed rhetoric, I'll just accept the "High Five" John Freeman. offered me. High five... dude.

 

[Lord_Seth]

You don't cope with shit by expressing it in your art, that is how the guy who made Evangelion did it and even the Eva fanboys think Shinji (the primary medium through which the writer's issues were expressed) was a pansy little *****.

Yeah, that is true. With few exceptions, trying to cope with things by putting it into your comic/TV show/book series/etc. is not a good idea (an excellent example is the sixth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer; after "Tabula Rasa" the entire season went downhill). I did prefer the earlier episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion, before Anno made the show into a "How can we mentally scar Shinji and the rest of the characters with THIS angel attack?" sequence, though I still liked the series the whole way through. But, of course, the fact that Anno is actually a DARN GOOD WRITER meant that it still managed to stay good even when it became more dark and depressing.

 

[Tempdude0]

Ok tempdude, your talking rights are revoked until you can stop abusing them and start thinking. Seriously I can see why you like Yatzee this way, your just a sad, pathetic little man who wants to be angery at everyone and everything and curl up into your little ball of "I'm right your wrong" bitterness until the four hoursemen come and take us all. As far as I am concerned your just not talking anymore because you don't know what the hell you are talking about ever.

now ignoring Tempdude, who is apparently a high and mighty god and as such able to equate racism with letting ones emotions dictate a course of a relationship you don't want to admit is doomed, the larger point is that Yatzee is just losing it if he really thinks that he needs to police and critic everything. He has stopped being charming and insightful and now just decides "you know what? I think this sucks so I am going to tear it a new one." Why the hell can't he be posative once in a while? Why can't we have another review where he takes some really good obscure game and says "HAY! GUESS WHAT! this game kicks ass and you should all look for it because of this reason and that reason." No. Instead he is just taking things he personally does not like and picking the living hell out of them because he can. The internet does not need criticism, but if he really thinks that how about we start with ZP. How about we start with how his saterical high and mighty act seems to have taken on more serious undertones? The fact that even if he kind of has some things he likes about some games he seriously downplays them now and seems to focus on just being an ass. He has gone from a witty and funny to just self absorbed and vapid rather quickly. Now I know Tempdude is going to start twisting my words and bitching at me because he seems to have no idea what I am saying or chooses to ignore it so he can be a jerk and lift his ego but I am still going to say it. Yatzee is no better than TB.

Thats right I said it, he is no better than Tim because he is still stuck up his own ass. Any of you who say TB is a bad person for what he does or what he feels are too. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." well You don't know whats in the mans heart and even if he says he felt nothing how on earth do you know if thats really the case? Thats the thing that gets to me. If you people really don't find CAD funny thats fine. I am not trying to change anyones mind on that. You can make all the coments you want on his work and what you think of the positions he puts forward and his idea of humor and thats just fine because thats his work and you are the consumers and that is your job. However Finding out about a real situation like this and just making a snap judgement that he is a bad human being, whats more saying he is a bad human being for what may be simply the very simple desire to try and keep what he may have thought of at the time as a relationship he 'should' save is just wrong.

None of us are above judgement. None of you are nor am I. I have to say that I am dissapointed in Yatzee for what I consider taking the 'easy way out' again and even more so for his apparent feelings that we need more real criticism on the expression of art for people because what it boils down to is he doesn't like those comics and I could give a rats ass about his opinion on something subjective. But what really gets me is when people here try and judge whats in a mans heart or what kind of person he is because of some situation that you really know nothing about. Its like watching a bunch of old ladies at church pick someone apart behind their back because of some situation they know something about. Just think about that people.

Yep, I love him so much he may as well have his balls in my mouth right now. Hmm, being tongued by a high and mighty god, that's got to be something alright...Well, there's a disturbing mental image. Thank you sarcasm gland for the wonderful experience.

However, despite my cold, black, heart, there are plenty of things I love besides the misery of others. The Shenmue series, the Kingdom Hearts series, The Sword of Truth novels, Orson Scott Card in general and a host of other things. Please not the first three things I mentioned were SUPPOSED to be in the "bad taste" category, if only to illustrate my earlier point of everyone having a guilty pleasure or three. You know, the whole "You can like whatever you want, but don't try to put it above the level it's at..." argument? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Yes, because neither are "human mistakes" Just because one is inherently more offensive makes it no less human, you irritable ****. Your lack of understanding in no way invalidates my statements.

"I think this sucks, I'm going to tear it a new one." Which is nothing at all like the Turok, Devil May Cry 4, or Clive Barker presents Clive Barkers Jericho by Clive Barker. Does it hurt to be that stupid? He's only done obscure games once, and don't count Psychonauts as that once, it's creator was well known and the game has been featured in a number of gametap commercials. Yes, so obscure and mysterious it's on tv every few days.

...Okay, the rest just devolves into "blah blah blah I'm a dirty whore." I don't even need to twist your words. They're so garbled and incomprehensible most of the time you may as well be typing while on a tilt-a-whirl. Considering you start with "the internet does not need criticism" which then devolves into criticism of a critic on SAID CRITICS WEBSITE. That's so meta-game I think I need to contact a DM. The part of my brain that processes logic just got "the pimp hand" as it were.

Buckley is an ass, Yahtzee is paid to be an ass occasionally if his views line up with the chance. Hell, you're an ass and I'm an ass as well, the only difference is that Yahtzee and myself also are attempting to make a point while calling people pants on head retarded. Well, that and be funny as well, but I'm more a physical comedy kind of guy. You're more like Buckley than Yahtzee, and in that I pity you, you sad, sorry excuse for a human.

"However Finding out about a real situation like this and just making a snap judgement that he is a bad human being, whats more saying he is a bad human being for what may be simply the very simple desire to try and keep what he may have thought of at the time as a relationship he 'should' save is just wrong" Holy run on sentince Batman, she's gone snookin' loopy! I'm saying that yes, he's a bad person because he made bad decisions. It's the baseline for deciding whether or not a person is nice or not. Buckley compounds the situation by being an egotistical jagoff, further placing him in the "bad person" area. Now, if he learned some humility and understood that one should be ASHAMED of bad decisions made, he may yet make a productive member of society out of himself...But I doubt that's going to happen.

...That last paragraph just invalidated everything else you wrote above it. I...How old are you? What, did someone leave off the child lock? Your post is so contradictory you may well want to get into politics. Yes, that's the way, confuse them. If they don't know whether you're coming or going you're beyond reproach till they figure it out. Brilliant!

everyone keeps saying that. Again I ask you how the hell you people know if he was really over it or not. Maybe he was over it that fast, or maybe he simply said he was. Maybe the comic was his way of coping. Hell maybe he was over it that fast because thats what got him to realize the relationship was crap and he feels bad that he does not feel worse about it. I think its really easy for you people to all judge the man when the mirror is not up to you.

Oh, boy, I needed that laugh. I don't even need to comment on that one. It writes its own material.

Simply put. To those who do NOT like CAD....screw you as you have no sense of good humor whatsoever and should be make into a paste.

Same to PA lovers. PA is not funny in the LEAST.

Paste which Buckley shall use to add hair and other features to his overused default character template, thus creating all his horribly identical cut 'n paste characters.

Also I have to assume your post is being sarcastic as no one over the age of about 12 could possibly be that stupid.

Let see here...I am 30 years old....being surrounded by a bunch of kids here that know nothing of good humor.

You do the math....dude.

Well, I put two and two together and got that age isn't indicative of good taste or intelligence.

On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.

Pretty much all of the rest of your argument was sensible and agreeable, but I have to debate this one. Basically what pissed me off is that the assunption that women are only worth as much as they look.

In essence: Oh god damn, a fat chick, I could never go out with this girl, and... no wait she's attractive. I suppose now she meets my high standards I will recognise her right to exist.

Okay, that was exaggerated, but come on?

Now to address the other side. Yes, Tim Buckley is a jerk. So is (apparently) Stanley Kubrick to the nth degree, but he made Blade Runner so everyone loves him.


EDIT: Stop talking about Tim's girlfriends miscarriage as if it's a goddamn relevant issue.

He made it one by bringing it up in conjunction with the storyline. You know, whoring it out?

You don't cope with shit by expressing it in your art, that is how the guy who made Evangelion did it and even the Eva fanboys think Shinji (the primary medium through which the writer's issues were expressed) was a pansy little *****.

Yeah, that is true. With few exceptions, trying to cope with things by putting it into your comic/TV show/book series/etc. is not a good idea (an excellent example is the sixth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer; after "Tabula Rasa" the entire season went downhill). I did prefer the earlier episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion, before Anno made the show into a "How can we mentally scar Shinji and the rest of the characters with THIS angel attack?" sequence, though I still liked the series the whole way through. But, of course, the fact that Anno is actually a DARN GOOD WRITER meant that it still managed to stay good even when it became more dark and depressing.

While I would debate that loons ability to write all the way till the cows come home, you've got it spot on. Coping is something you do by yourself or with friends, maybe. You don't make an spectacle, and everlasting reminder if you will, of your personal pain that will endure throughout the years...Also, what was up with the floaty Rei clones that made everyone a-splode? That shit got weird later on, to say nothing of the last angel and Shinji. Aaaawkwaaard.

WALL 'O TEXT MAN POWERS, ACTIVATE!

 

[Booze Zombie]

I am incrediblly confused. This is a comedy video, is it not? If it makes you laugh, you click comment and type "That made me laugh, please do more videos in that style", or if it doesn't make you laugh "That was not entertaining, please try something different", right?

Why all the anger? It's a joke, drink some beer and forget about it.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

I'd post my own two cents about this, but Steve from Dueling Analogs says it better than I ever could.

"I find so much humor in the CAD bashing. Fine. There are people out there who have legitimate gripes about CAD and Tim Buckley. But a good chunk of the gripes comes from people who are jealous of what Buckley has achieved. Ctrl+Alt+Del is either the second or third largest webcomic in the world (behind only Penny Arcade or both Penny Arcade and XKCD). That's nothing to scoff at. And if you don't think he deserves it, it's definitely something to be jealous...

(I got a lot of flak for people not completely understanding what I was saying. So let me give you the definition of the word jealous.)

Jeal*ous - adj.
Having to do with or arising from feelings of envy, apprehension, or bitterness.

(Make sense?)

The problem is that every time you complain about Ctrl+Alt+Del on your site or a forum or send someone a link, you are bringing more traffic to the site. Odds are that the people already reading CAD are not reading your blog or if they do, it won't change their opinion. But since everyone has different opinions, its possible that you gained Ctrl+Alt+Del a new reader by exposing someone to it that may not have been familiar to it before.

What I do if I don't like another webcomic is nothing. I don't mention it, I don't answer comments about it, and I definitely don't link to it. I promote what I like and not what I don't. Make sense?"

In less words: Every time you gripe an moan about something on the internet, someone who never saw that something will be introduced to it. Might even become a loyal fan too.

In even less words: The more you complain, the stronger it gets.

On another subject, Am I the only one here who misses Hellbound? That comic was great!

 

[Giygas]

Why would anyone be jealous of a immature, self-centered dude who showed his penis to an underage girl?

 

[Tempdude0]

Why would anyone be jealous of a immature, self-centered dude who showed his penis to an underage girl?

Because he has legions of adoring fans that overlook his douchebag-ery, all his personal flaws, and treat him like he's the second coming of Christ...I'm not saying I agree with the reasoning, but I can see why some might be jealous. You'd just have to be a monumentally self absorbed, shallow jagoff.

 

[TerraMGP]

You know, lets get off the CAD aspect of it and take buckly out of the equasion a moment. You don't like him? well thats fine. The real problem seems to be that Yatzee bashed him becasue he does not like him and so many of you don't like him. Thats the problem I have. I realize that he is a critic but the whole point is that critics, TRUE critics suck. All he is doing now is finding things that many people won't like and agreeing. "I don't like Hitler and this is why" and then he just goes on and bashes hitler. My disgust at everyones inability to follow one of the few simple commandments that Jesus set forward and annoyance at the fact that people seem to resort to the stupid fanboy cleche of "How old are you" notwithstanding all Yatzee does anymore is follow that whole "The fans want negativity" bull. It just makes so many of his jaded little fans go "Yay, this is something I hate too" and it gives them validation to their short sighted little opinions about things. Well I miss it when Yatzee only bashed what needed bashing. I'm not talking about games I don't like only hell I love the DMC games and I totally agree with his "Dante Vs Nero" comparison. However this excessive focus on negativity gets old. He has gone from being unique and giving out real insight to simply bitching and nitpicking like everyone else. Everything he had going for him is slipping away as he becomes 'Just another critic'.

I know I am in Yatzee fanboy land and that I can't win with any sort of logic because people will just misuse text walls and fall back on old fanboy cleche's to bash me for views they obviously don't understand or are too high and mighty to let themselves grasp or whatever. I can say 'you know what? Maybe we should look at Tim as a human and realize that he probably has his own issues like the rest of us and that we are not living his life or close to him so maybe we don't know the whole situation' or 'Maybe instead of just finding thngs to Harp on Yatzee should dig out the Kyrandia games or the original Sam and max or the second Lands of Lore game or Sevent guest or ANYTHING to just pull him away from bitching all the time' but apparently people are happy to crucify a man they don't know because of bad rumors or even some bad things he may have done which are in the end between him and god and just let Yatzee be the Indie G4 finding every little fault with every little game even when he likes them.

I don't really know why I try. You people who tell me I am wrong have already made up your minds that Yatzee is king and you are right because of it so trying to show you that maybe the man needs to step back a bit is pointless. Have fun with your gold Calf folks.

 

[Tempdude0]

You know, lets get off the CAD aspect of it and take buckly out of the equasion a moment. You don't like him? well thats fine. The real problem seems to be that Yatzee bashed him becasue he does not like him and so many of you don't like him. Thats the problem I have. I realize that he is a critic but the whole point is that critics, TRUE critics suck. All he is doing now is finding things that many people won't like and agreeing. "I don't like Hitler and this is why" and then he just goes on and bashes hitler. My disgust at everyones inability to follow one of the few simple commandments that Jesus set forward and annoyance at the fact that people seem to resort to the stupid fanboy cleche of "How old are you" notwithstanding all Yatzee does anymore is follow that whole "The fans want negativity" bull. It just makes so many of his jaded little fans go "Yay, this is something I hate too" and it gives them validation to their short sighted little opinions about things. Well I miss it when Yatzee only bashed what needed bashing. I'm not talking about games I don't like only hell I love the DMC games and I totally agree with his "Dante Vs Nero" comparison. However this excessive focus on negativity gets old. He has gone from being unique and giving out real insight to simply bitching and nitpicking like everyone else. Everything he had going for him is slipping away as he becomes 'Just another critic'.

I know I am in Yatzee fanboy land and that I can't win with any sort of logic because people will just misuse text walls and fall back on old fanboy cleche's to bash me for views they obviously don't understand or are too high and mighty to let themselves grasp or whatever. I can say 'you know what? Maybe we should look at Tim as a human and realize that he probably has his own issues like the rest of us and that we are not living his life or close to him so maybe we don't know the whole situation' or 'Maybe instead of just finding thngs to Harp on Yatzee should dig out the Kyrandia games or the original Sam and max or the second Lands of Lore game or Sevent guest or ANYTHING to just pull him away from bitching all the time' but apparently people are happy to crucify a man they don't know because of bad rumors or even some bad things he may have done which are in the end between him and god and just let Yatzee be the Indie G4 finding every little fault with every little game even when he likes them.

I don't really know why I try. You people who tell me I am wrong have already made up your minds that Yatzee is king and you are right because of it so trying to show you that maybe the man needs to step back a bit is pointless. Have fun with your gold Calf folks.

And the peanut gallery is back.

Let's get something straight, Yahtzee never stated Buckley was an asshat, that grew from earlier posts and involves mostly those of us who feel that way. Secondly, he bashed webcomics as a whole. Just because he referenced a specific comic doesn't mean he wasn't referring to the medium as a whole.

Way to go all Godwin on us. Thanks for that. I tried to avoid it, but you just had to dive in head first.

Which commandment is that, "Thou shalt not be an ass"? Also, way to bring up Jesus in a non sarcastic/joking way. We're two for two on the "List of things you shouldn't use in an argument."

So whom decides what needs bashing, pray tell? ZE GERMANS? You either like or dislike his approach, but you can't fault what he's bashing, especially if you go on to state that some of his bashing is well founded. You don't get to have it both ways, either everything is up for grabs or nothing is...and considering your anal-retentiveness in going on inane tangents about contradictory information, I'd say it'd have to be the latter due to the sheer volume of crap you touch on.

"Bitching and nitpicking" are interesting words. Considering the DMC review referred to the difference between the characters as a "pussy and a ****" I doubt you even understand what real insight is. Also, too many belts, now there's some REAL INSIGHT!

Aaaaand we're back to "you don't understand" blah blah blah. Perhaps if you took the time to write a non-contradictory argument we (me) wouldn't go out of our (my) way to bash you for being an idiot.

He can live his life all he wants, but when he starts using it as a spectacle, a way of getting attention, we get to lay the righteous anger down on him for being oh so human. I don't care if I don't know the "whole situation" I know it as he described it. Had he not described it, I would have nothing to latch onto, but he did. As he described it, he's a callow, shallow, dipshit, and that's what I work with.

"Maybe we should look at Tim as a human and realize that he probably has his own issues like the rest of us and that we are not living his life or close to him so maybe we don't know the whole situation' or 'Maybe instead of just finding thngs to Harp on Yatzee should dig out the Kyrandia games or the original Sam and max or the second Lands of Lore game or Sevent guest or ANYTHING to just pull him away from bitching all the time' but apparently people are happy to crucify a man they don't know because of bad rumors or even some bad things he may have done which are in the end between him and god and just let Yatzee be the Indie G4 finding every little fault with every little game even when he likes them."

Punctuation is your friend, learn to love it. Snarkyness aside, if Yahtzee chooses to do so and does it in an entertaining way, more power to him. If he wants to blow the kneecaps off a bad game, also more power to him. I really don't get where you're going with this because even in his positive reviews he had issues with the games.

As for Buckley again, yes, we have issues with WHAT HE'S DONE, you know, HIS ACTIONS, THE RULER BY WHICH A PERSONS WORTH IS DETERMINED...and if given the chance I WOULD crucify the bastard, if for no other reason than to keep him from working on CAD for a little while. That, and the thought of him crucified makes me smile. Then again I have an odd sense of humor concerning people I don't like.

Oye, hey, no stealing analogies I've already made. Get your own ones, and find some that are more appropriate. Had we been all "Oooo, let's suck Yahtzees dick some more..." then yes, the analogy would be fine, but since we've talked about Tim Bork bork bork (The only thing in memory of his that I've laughed at.) on the basis of his own actions and haven't really referenced the video, I'd say that we're clear of that particular hurdle.

Also, we tell you that you're wrong because you are. Had you mounted an argument that went beyond that of a grade schooler (hence the sarcastic age comment, you twit) it would have been well met, just like the other ones. However, since you've been upgraded to a dickhead with projection issues, I really feel no need to be civil with you.

...Well, seeing how most of that is actualy civil discourse, I really need to up the ire count.

TerraMGP, you're thick as manure and not half as useful, your nose is like a Russian pussy, oh, and brush your teeth, my dick will be inspecting soon!...I love other countries, they have awesome insults.