Zero Punctuation: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm
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Global Agenda is a class-based shooter like TF2, with some MMO elements thrown in. It's good, but it's nowhere near "World of Starcraft". It doesn't have a massive shared open world like WoW.WOPR said:
So because Blizzard made a great game, that they support with great content patches they are not allowed to make money? Is there some kind of limit to what a company can earn and after that they need to start giving stuff away for free?WOPR said:
I don't get this, developers are not allowed to make money apparently? Must've mistaken a company for a charity then, my bad.
I get it, you just don't want any company to charge for their services. Better call my healthcare organisation, I am getting screwed.
Don't judge a game on what Yahtzee says on Zero Punctuation...just don't. Although I'm not sure what to make of the new WoW, I've quit and I'm trying to resist going back, but it is intriguing.migo said:
It's hard to malign an MMORPG at being too good at dragging people along by the hook it placed in their mouth to more levels and gear. Because, lets face it, that's what an MMORPG is supposed to do. The real question comes down to, "are you having fun?"
If the answer is, "no," you're playing a grind and need to stop. Too many MMORPGs are this way, the gameplay wears thin and you realize you're not there to have fun, you're there because the skinner's box and social reinforcement of your friends is keeping you there.
If the answer is, "yes," then you might as well play on. Burning down the candle of your time on Earth in exchange for a fun time is what any good game does.
I don't think any game is capable of infinite fun because sooner or later you grok everything the game has to offer and then it's boring. That being the case, World of Warcraft is either quite played out some seven years later, has been mutating rapidly into something else, or its players have developed a learning disability that prevents them from completely grokking it.
If the answer is, "no," you're playing a grind and need to stop. Too many MMORPGs are this way, the gameplay wears thin and you realize you're not there to have fun, you're there because the skinner's box and social reinforcement of your friends is keeping you there.
If the answer is, "yes," then you might as well play on. Burning down the candle of your time on Earth in exchange for a fun time is what any good game does.
I don't think any game is capable of infinite fun because sooner or later you grok everything the game has to offer and then it's boring. That being the case, World of Warcraft is either quite played out some seven years later, has been mutating rapidly into something else, or its players have developed a learning disability that prevents them from completely grokking it.
But Don't all those games you have mentioned have other costs you can spend on? If that is the case then the games are never really free. A good example is runescape, don't you need to pay to keep leveling after a certain point?WOPR said:
And hence Yahtzee finally shows why I despise WoW. The game is great, nice, fun, epic, amazing, stuff I probably don't describe most things as, but the community is shit.
Also, gratz.
Also, gratz.
And I love reposting this.DJShire said:
What you described was the alliance of old. Filled with children who wanted to play the "pretty" race becasue wow developers focused more on the alliance than the horde in ways of character models and architecture. Because of this the horde has always been known as the underdog and thus developed a sort of pride to compensate this. But then the first expansion came out which gave the horde blood elves specificaly to try to balance this, and a large portion of those kiddies who everyone used to make fun of rolled blood elves. Coupled with the borderline nationalistic pride that the horde developed, it pretty much set up the horde as the faction for dumb kids and douchbags, since kids and douchbags always join the bandwagon. Hope all you horde enjoy the same player base that has been plagueing the alliance for years.
And since someone is bound to mention it, no I am not a disgruntled alliance. I mean, I do play it but only because my real life friends are alliance and this game is more fun with friends regardless of faction. Originally I was horde and still prefer them simply because I am tired of the lord of the rings/dungeons and dragons typical fantasy. Seems like every fantasy game at the time forced you to either be a dwarf, elf or human so the horde was a nice change of pace from that. I acknowledge that there are many who choose horde for the same reasons but really things on the horde front have never been the same since Tbc especially with the blatant horde developer bias present within cataclysm.
Wow you're projecting/assumingThe Human Torch said:
I didn't say it should be free at all
what I said (if you could read properly without assuming) was that the reason WoW can afford the constant patches is because it makes more then all other MMO's put togeather
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also the statement "great game" is arguable, being an opinion I obviously don't share.
NoDimensional Vortex said:
sort of
let me explain
In Runescape you need to pay to get the "Member Content"
a good way to put this in WoW terms
Normal WoW would be 100% free
then it would cost you $5/month to have access to the expansions
(if that makes sense)
my note of global agenda was mearly because it's an MMO that has no monthly fees
but you still need to buy the game itself (obviously)
...I think I could put Guild Wars in that too
oh well
cheers!
Smaller player base equals less money that needs to be spent on maintenance and upkeep. Most mmo's now a days try for the subscription in the event that it makes it big and needs the monthly payments for both profit and upkeep on the servers. If they do not get anywhere near the world of war craft levels of subscription then most mmo's turn into "free 2 play" mmo's focusing on micro transactions. This is actually more profitable than the subscription based mmo's only if there aren't enough subscriptions to both offer a profit with upkeep and server maintenance costs. Blizzard has actually expressed desire to make Wow F2P when their subscriber base falls after the launch of their second mmo currently being developed.WOPR said:
Wow's subscriber base is so damn large that blizzard is always forced to upgrade their servers with the best server technology available at the time because even with the best, they still have severe lag issues. This among many other problems is the reason why large successful mmo's have a subscription program. It is this money (aside from the profit it brings) that helps pay for the technology, man power and research required for both running the game servers and maintaining them.
Meh, again watching this reminds me how much I try to dodge and get away from playing WoW, just doesn't suit me, especially since it's about reading excessive numbers. Hell, I normally avoid most games like that unless I happen to know there are weapons out there that have multi boosts. The moment I found them in Dragon Age I cared less for most. Had myself a Frost Mage, and with Alistair's ram move I WAS UNSTOPPABLE!
Seriously, I took out damned Ogres with that combo o.o
Seriously, I took out damned Ogres with that combo o.o
Basically how Yahtzee described End Game content is exactly the reason I quit playing. Games are all pointless. But they all eventually end. WoW is just pointlessness, never ending pointlessness. This is supposed to be a game remember? fun? Not a fucking job.
See, most of this video contains perfectly valid points - from how Blizzard succeeded in making questing fun to how they continue to cock up endgame content.
But it still baffles me that he claims World of Warcraft is 'evil' because it betwitches innocents into surrendering their social lives, as though the game was a digital form of heroin when that isn't true. Anyone with even a slight modicum of self-restraint can stop playing the game when they feel like it, and those who do surrender their social lives are invariably those who would find some other outlet for their pent-up need to obsess if WoW didn't exist.
He can't even hide under the flimsy excuse that it was a throwaway joke because it wasn't funny. That joke has been done by everyone and their mother, Yahtzee! Would it kill you to come up with some original material?
Besides, people play Alliance because they have Dwarves, who are awesome.
But it still baffles me that he claims World of Warcraft is 'evil' because it betwitches innocents into surrendering their social lives, as though the game was a digital form of heroin when that isn't true. Anyone with even a slight modicum of self-restraint can stop playing the game when they feel like it, and those who do surrender their social lives are invariably those who would find some other outlet for their pent-up need to obsess if WoW didn't exist.
He can't even hide under the flimsy excuse that it was a throwaway joke because it wasn't funny. That joke has been done by everyone and their mother, Yahtzee! Would it kill you to come up with some original material?
Besides, people play Alliance because they have Dwarves, who are awesome.
But then it's not completely free, they're are still costs to experience the game to it's full potential .WOPR said: