Zero Punctuation: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm
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Didn't see that coming. However the review felt a little bland to me. Where is your usual wittiness, Yahtzee, you handsome bastard?
On the side note, I'm looking to try out a MMO and it has been couple of years since I bothered with any MMO. I am tired with the usual fantasy setting and the usual click-spam skill-loot-click next mob combat. Does anyone know any decent MMO that doesn't have a general fantasy setting/boring combat?
On the side note, I'm looking to try out a MMO and it has been couple of years since I bothered with any MMO. I am tired with the usual fantasy setting and the usual click-spam skill-loot-click next mob combat. Does anyone know any decent MMO that doesn't have a general fantasy setting/boring combat?
This biggest selling point of this expansion was the redoing of all the 1-60 content (minus the level 60 raids, which, save for ZG20, were left completely alone) to bring them up to new quality standards that Blizzard themselves have established.Stabby Joe said:
The biggest change is that most of the old quests that were rehashings of the "Go here, kill 20 guys, come back" were either removed or rebuilt with a new gimmick ("Go here, kill 10 guys, each of whom will blow up in your face if you don't kill them a certain way"). The point wasn't really to break away from the time-tested tradition of quest design, but rather to break up the monotony of the whole thing. One quest that comes to mind is one for the alliance where you have to kill a bunch of elite horde mobs, but they have tons of health (for your level), so instead you target propane (Or some incendiary by that name) tanks on their backs which have much less health and combust upon defeat, killing the mob in question.
I always get drawn in by WoW, usually for the races, or the huge expansive world.
But then I play it for three months and get to level 40 or so and get called a nub, n00b, newb, newbie, newfag or any variation of that for not dropping out of school and selling my tooth fillings for more WoW playtime, and realize that it's just a tedious singleplayer game with crappy graphics and eleven million obnoxious NPCs with poor grammar.
To me, anyway.
But then I play it for three months and get to level 40 or so and get called a nub, n00b, newb, newbie, newfag or any variation of that for not dropping out of school and selling my tooth fillings for more WoW playtime, and realize that it's just a tedious singleplayer game with crappy graphics and eleven million obnoxious NPCs with poor grammar.
To me, anyway.
It's like I always say: WoW is basically a math class with pauldrons.
I'm glad Yahtzee cut to the heart of this one, WoW and similar MMOs are pretty insidious creatures. They're almost like much larger, much more polished, much more expensive Zynga games. I know Blizzard has aspirations of making an engaging story and interesting world, but at the end of the day their predominant clientele is the OCD, operant-conditioning crowd that has become all too attached to a series of numbers.
I'm glad Yahtzee cut to the heart of this one, WoW and similar MMOs are pretty insidious creatures. They're almost like much larger, much more polished, much more expensive Zynga games. I know Blizzard has aspirations of making an engaging story and interesting world, but at the end of the day their predominant clientele is the OCD, operant-conditioning crowd that has become all too attached to a series of numbers.
I love this review because it was so unexpected, but overall I'm glad he didn't bash it as bad as I thought he would have ^__^ Now I think I'll take a page out of yahtzee's play book and see some alliance towns from my flying mount and awww over cute puppies (worgen)
Why do people raid at the endgame?
Because it's fun? Is that really so hard to admit? I love my guildies and raiding with them has been a pleasure. Sure you get the odd stupidly hard boss or have to wait half the expansion for a bit of gear you need but thats life. Nothing beat when we downed LK the first time. One of the most awesome video game experiences I've had at least
When people ask me "oh how can you raid, it's so time consuming and sad?" I just ask them why they play games. When they wheel out "because its fun", you know you've won. And its no more sad than getting all the achievements in a game or speedrunning an old mario game.
I appreciate that ZP is in the interest of cynical humor, but I stand up for wow in that respect. My fanboy nature is showing /shame
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Because it's fun? Is that really so hard to admit? I love my guildies and raiding with them has been a pleasure. Sure you get the odd stupidly hard boss or have to wait half the expansion for a bit of gear you need but thats life. Nothing beat when we downed LK the first time. One of the most awesome video game experiences I've had at least
When people ask me "oh how can you raid, it's so time consuming and sad?" I just ask them why they play games. When they wheel out "because its fun", you know you've won. And its no more sad than getting all the achievements in a game or speedrunning an old mario game.
I appreciate that ZP is in the interest of cynical humor, but I stand up for wow in that respect. My fanboy nature is showing /shame
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I always found the trolls chicks hotter then the blood elfs. Really Blood elfs are to make kids play the alliance. Still was even shock he played wow. More shock he got to 58 in vinalla and got to 60 this time. Which took him what 1 week lol. Well not like he missing out on much. BC sucks as well as Lich King. Think cata was there first good expanction.
Funny review that I'll sure show to my WoW-playing buddies. The comments are even funnier, with people saying "yeah, Yahtzee just confirms what I have always thought: WoW sucks, even though I never have played it". He even said the game is well designed.
The "evil" part is kinda true: if you have an obsessive or addictive personality, it may not be the best thing to try. But lots of people can play it without ruining their lives (most people, actually).
And yes, some people play for "numbers", to be "the best", but many play because they find it fun. To me, raiding is incredibly fun when you're doing it with friends, and considerably less fun when doing with strangers (still can be fun sometimes).
Anyway, I think haters gonna hate
The "evil" part is kinda true: if you have an obsessive or addictive personality, it may not be the best thing to try. But lots of people can play it without ruining their lives (most people, actually).
And yes, some people play for "numbers", to be "the best", but many play because they find it fun. To me, raiding is incredibly fun when you're doing it with friends, and considerably less fun when doing with strangers (still can be fun sometimes).
Anyway, I think haters gonna hate
Mogworld was awesome.
I wonder if i'll get on probation for this post. Cos' it looks like someone is on a random "put everyone on probation" spree (now i deffo will
I wonder if i'll get on probation for this post. Cos' it looks like someone is on a random "put everyone on probation" spree (now i deffo will
Greetings all, I signed up to post here as I felt I wanted to contribute my opinion to the thread. Normally, I am just a viewer. I usually come here to just watch the reviews to get a glimpse of his opinions on games I haven't yet played or to see a game I have already played from another perspective.
That out of the way, I have to wonder if I am taking him too seriously or not. However, I actually believe he means it when he says that WoW is "evil". Really? how is a video game evil? Does he mean to say that activision/blizzard are evil? or that WoWs developement team are evil? Because a video game is just that, a game.
I actually find it appalling that he would say WoW is evil. Thats what those crazy newscasters say when they want to attack a video game for publicity. i.e. see youtube for videos on everquest, wow, etc and how "MMORPGs are evil and destroy lives". Do you consider yourself a gamer? Because MMOS -are- still games. You should also see such news reports about how video games are evil (not just mmos). Why do I say all this? Because it is VERY strange to see that kind of attitude from a VG reviewer!
If MMORPGS destroy your life, and all you can see is "wasted time" as you fly using fast travel, don't you have that same attitude toward -all- video games? And if not, why? They're the same thing, little accomplishments that mean nothing to anyone except you.
And if you prevent yourself from enjoying a game out of fear of addiction, all I can say if that you just need to have self control. You can continue to play WoW and I daresay if you find the game so fun that you can't stop playing (or at least feel like you can't), then why deny yourself it entirely? The same principles hold true to many aspects of life. People find themselves getting addicted to things all the time, but all they truly require is proper moderation, not total elimination. You have to tell yourself that the game isn't going anywhere, and even if it does get shut down some day, there will always be another to replace it, and further than that, it won't be going away anytime soon. Tell yourself that, and you should be able to control yourself and limit your playtime.
Should you -not- want to limit yourself, there's -still- plus sides to playing just one game, financially and more.
Buying a new game every 1-3 weeks for $20-60 is no different than playing one MMORPG for a lengthy period of time, in terms of money or time spent "wasting away" in front of a screen looking at numbers and trying to achieve higher numbers.
Are retro games of the past evil, because their main motifying factor in gameplay was increasing your score? Is Mario evil? Pacman? All video games are a battle of numbers, even story based games like Mass Effect, because a video game can never be just story, dialogue and cutscenes, it has to have gameplay, and that requires numbers. "I have to get to the next level" "I have to kill this group of enemies(gears of war)" "I have to defeat that boss, collect that treasure, solve that puzzle". They're all carrot on a stick chases, and as a gamer I am damn proud to play and enjoy all of them.
I found Yahtzee's review to wind up as nothing more than "I want to play this game, but I have no self control, so I avoid it like the plague" or at least, that's what hes suggesting to others, which I find to be nothing short of an apalling review of a great game.
P.S. I don't currently subscribe to WoW, however I did enjoy it in the past.
P.P.S I know that everyone has a different opinion, and I'm fine with that, but I think he went a little far by saying a video game was evil, a waste of time and that it destroys lives.
That out of the way, I have to wonder if I am taking him too seriously or not. However, I actually believe he means it when he says that WoW is "evil". Really? how is a video game evil? Does he mean to say that activision/blizzard are evil? or that WoWs developement team are evil? Because a video game is just that, a game.
I actually find it appalling that he would say WoW is evil. Thats what those crazy newscasters say when they want to attack a video game for publicity. i.e. see youtube for videos on everquest, wow, etc and how "MMORPGs are evil and destroy lives". Do you consider yourself a gamer? Because MMOS -are- still games. You should also see such news reports about how video games are evil (not just mmos). Why do I say all this? Because it is VERY strange to see that kind of attitude from a VG reviewer!
If MMORPGS destroy your life, and all you can see is "wasted time" as you fly using fast travel, don't you have that same attitude toward -all- video games? And if not, why? They're the same thing, little accomplishments that mean nothing to anyone except you.
And if you prevent yourself from enjoying a game out of fear of addiction, all I can say if that you just need to have self control. You can continue to play WoW and I daresay if you find the game so fun that you can't stop playing (or at least feel like you can't), then why deny yourself it entirely? The same principles hold true to many aspects of life. People find themselves getting addicted to things all the time, but all they truly require is proper moderation, not total elimination. You have to tell yourself that the game isn't going anywhere, and even if it does get shut down some day, there will always be another to replace it, and further than that, it won't be going away anytime soon. Tell yourself that, and you should be able to control yourself and limit your playtime.
Should you -not- want to limit yourself, there's -still- plus sides to playing just one game, financially and more.
Buying a new game every 1-3 weeks for $20-60 is no different than playing one MMORPG for a lengthy period of time, in terms of money or time spent "wasting away" in front of a screen looking at numbers and trying to achieve higher numbers.
Are retro games of the past evil, because their main motifying factor in gameplay was increasing your score? Is Mario evil? Pacman? All video games are a battle of numbers, even story based games like Mass Effect, because a video game can never be just story, dialogue and cutscenes, it has to have gameplay, and that requires numbers. "I have to get to the next level" "I have to kill this group of enemies(gears of war)" "I have to defeat that boss, collect that treasure, solve that puzzle". They're all carrot on a stick chases, and as a gamer I am damn proud to play and enjoy all of them.
I found Yahtzee's review to wind up as nothing more than "I want to play this game, but I have no self control, so I avoid it like the plague" or at least, that's what hes suggesting to others, which I find to be nothing short of an apalling review of a great game.
P.S. I don't currently subscribe to WoW, however I did enjoy it in the past.
P.P.S I know that everyone has a different opinion, and I'm fine with that, but I think he went a little far by saying a video game was evil, a waste of time and that it destroys lives.
mechanixis said:
A engagin story? Are you kidding me. DeathWing Dies in Warcraft 2. It the same concept of Diablo 3 where diablo and the world is destoried at the end of Diablo 2. All blizzard is nothing more then a young George Lucas. The lore is gone and they just keep beating on a dead horse which idiots keep buying into.
Sorry, it's not wrong. They are providing a service. You are paying for the service, the same way as you would pay for a product. It just happens that in this case, you need to buy a product (the WoW account - the software, essentially, is worthless) to access the service. Much like how you need to pay for a computer in order to use the internet, or a TV in order to watch your cable.Fangobra said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging a fee for the use of a service.
I am suprised by this shallow opinion.
Wow is bad, because it ruined a few lives?
Doesn't make that gaming bad, because it ruined a few lives?
No, it doesn't. If you let your life get ruined by something as easy as Wow, then there weere clearly problems there before.
Like... oh, lets say: A child, that you didn't want in the first place and that shackles you to your home.
Wow is bad, because it ruined a few lives?
Doesn't make that gaming bad, because it ruined a few lives?
No, it doesn't. If you let your life get ruined by something as easy as Wow, then there weere clearly problems there before.
Like... oh, lets say: A child, that you didn't want in the first place and that shackles you to your home.
Oh THIS should be good.
*watches*
... i honestly expected more flaming =/
Don't get me wrong, i like WoW but this is YAHTZEE. i assumed he'd be spewing hate out every pore he has for this MMO. And then make new ones to keep from exploding.
And then explode anyway.
*watches*
... i honestly expected more flaming =/
Don't get me wrong, i like WoW but this is YAHTZEE. i assumed he'd be spewing hate out every pore he has for this MMO. And then make new ones to keep from exploding.
And then explode anyway.
I played it for six months, and I have to say it was great fun, leveling up my rogue dwarf, exploring, garroting and backstabbing things. I have great memories from this game. It was unique experience.