Zero Suit Samus has a great character model
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Where you from buddy? Yeah, the only reason high heels exist are to help make a woman look more attractive. From all the girls I know talking to, yeah that is their only purpose. Other than that, they're hard as fuck to walk in and a good way to break your ankle if you're not used to walking in them.w23eer said:
Even ignoring that aspect, they just look terrible and don't have a well conveyed practical function which makes them seem like more of a hindrance.w23eer said:
People said those are supposed to be rocket shoes but... how? Where?
Even in hyper scifiland, something that makes a person float mid air via rockets should probably be chunkier and why are we slanting the foot downwards again?
I don't think that does much to make flying with rocketshoes -which is kind of a shaky proposition in itself- easier to control.
There is just no reason for those things to be in the shape of high heels other than weird, out of place fan service.
Also, it is worth noting that this happens right after that metroid other m disaster and it does nothing to help bettering the catastrophic image it painted of samus.
I don't believe she should have been in the Smash games at all, and I reckon they could have chosen better characters for the slots. The suit is the iconic part and that's where she is strongest. I'm just going to make Zamus the imposter if I get this new Smash.Eve Charm said:
I'm certain this may have been pointed out already but Samus in this new Super Smash Bros. is based off of the character design from Other M. Which was produced by Team Ninja. Though I'm disappointed by her change, I can't say I'm surprised she looks the way she goes given the material she's been pulled from.
They look to me like they'll function the same way Chell's Advanced Knee Replacements work in the Portal games and don't look any less practical.Lieju said:
Their ugliness contributes to the standardised emergency equipment feel I mentioned.
Does it make less sense?
When I played Metroid it was the Power Suit and the Varia suit and at that time I would have agreed giving Samus high heels of any kind would have been pointless.
But somewhere down the line they obviously started doing things a bit more stylistically, emphasising her gender by putting her in a catsuit and giving her unrealistic combat capability outside of her power suits.
The high heels in the most recent design are either a continuation of what the zero suit has always been about or a little drop of practicality added into the mix.
Why would she have standardized emergency equipment? Her suit is unique, both Zero suit and her armor are.Smeatza said:
And the rest of her design doesn't imply she had scavenged her equipment from somewhere.
Portal boots at least look more scifi-esque.
If they were more scifi-looking, I don't think I'd have such a problem. Or even if they were more boot-like and less bright yellow. The way they are, they just look like ugly shoes.
They certainly do clash. I remember when I first saw this new design the first thing I noticed were the heels. They're the main Focus Point, and unless she is advertising new footwear, it just looks unbalanced. They just need to make it more subtle for it work.otakon17 said:
kiri2tsubasa said:mitchell271 said:
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Is it me or does it look like the heels are fold-able, or at least slide back and then move up when not in use? I can't be the only one that sees what looks like hinges in the area between the yellow and that silver circle.[/quote]
Okay even if they DO fold up or retract, she's walking around on the ball of her foot like a damn cat. Humans can't balance well like that.
[QUOTE=Smeatza][QUOTE=Lieju]With Samus, it makes less sense.
And the design of those boots is ugly and unpractical. They look pretty dangerous to her ankles.[/QUOTE]
They look to me like they'll function the same way Chell's Advanced Knee Replacements work in the Portal games and don't look any less practical.
Their ugliness contributes to the standardised emergency equipment feel I mentioned.
Does it make less sense?
When I played Metroid it was the Power Suit and the Varia suit and at that time I would have agreed giving Samus high heels of any kind would have been pointless.
But somewhere down the line they obviously started doing things a bit more stylistically, emphasising her gender by putting her in a catsuit and giving her unrealistic combat capability outside of her power suits.
The high heels in the most recent design are either a continuation of what the zero suit has always been about or a little drop of practicality added into the mix.[/quote]
Okay, have you SEEN Chells jumpers?
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There is a CLEAR difference. It's designed as a springboard and the weight of her step is focused on a length of metal that's near as wide as her foot compared to trying to balance on a "peg" of a pair of high heels. Sure, it carries the same basic shape as high heels but it's actually functional as far as I can tell.
The point of Zero Suit Samus is to show that she won't just lie down and die if she loses the Power Suit.Snotnarok said:
If we are going to "assume" things then I am going to "assume" that the boots are either too dangerous to use without the rest of the suit for reinforcement or that they cannot be used unless the suit is whole. I can also assume that the boots themselves are too heavy and stiff without the power source that comes from the suit.
Is it really too hard to imagine that the heels aren't actually part of the Zero Suit and that she stores them in her ship or something? And isn't your complaint that they don't fit inside the Power Suit? Wouldn't boosters that are actually attached to the Zero suit make even less sense? And so what if the color doesn't match with the suit? do you really expect someone like Samus to be picky about colors?
People defend this decision because people complain about it it's a cycle that will never end. The decision is stupid for you because it isn't what you want from Samus but for other people it isn't a big deal especially since it's happening a in a non canon game.
Lol ok that picture wins internetsSemi-DemiFiend said:I am 100% behind that idea. They should make it an item you can get in smash run.
If people want to whine about it, fine this is the smash universe, I'm pretty damn sure no one has been walking around claiming the smash games are Canon.
Really? You're going with that line? The 'dude, it's just a game, it's not real it doesn't mean anything!' rationale? The depiction of female protagonists matters because of their lack, and because of the kind of ideas and associations (re what is female and what is 'feminine') that a very male dominated industry (and society/culture) perpetuate.Matthew Jabour said:
I've not been aware of entire social schisms occurring in order to allow apes or particularly agile Italian plumbers a right to vote, or to have equal pay, or be generally seen as 1:1 equals deserving of equal (and equally diverse) representation, and so on...
As far as I see it, thus far Samus has only been a Strong Female Character, i.e. just another fairly dumb trope - but one that, in the past, has been useful and relatively progressive (e.g. a female lead who isn't defined by being 'feminine', who kicks ass). Now, it seems Samus - a character once popular for the aforementioned label - is being shown off as just another piece of conformist eye candy, which is a depressing step down from being a Strong Female Character.
Meanwhile, Lara Croft went from 'oops, my mouse slipped!'-era sex object (whilst also being a SFC, to be fair), to a post-Katniss slice of relatably human awesomeness. Samus has clearly headed in the opposite direction, which Nintendo should be ashamed of.
One last thing re whether this matters or not: a lot of female gamers have talked about how pleased they were, as kids, that the armour clad character they were controlling and kicking ass with just so happened to be female. I really don't see Zero Suit Samus having any such impact on young girls, as the imagery just reinforces the dumb BS the rest of society is so apathetically fond of (maybe Ninty can do a Zero Suit tie in for Barbie?). There is nothing different, or unique, or empowering about it.
Well I suppose they did somewhat made her suit realistic in that it's a cloth over her chest as oppose to being her suit was molded to hold her left and right breast in unless they wanted her suit to be spendex/ bra like in the first place.
Actually Samus jump-kick is one of her strongest moves in Smash bros. Always was. Not as awesome as Falcons knee-to-your-face-oops-youre-dead move but fearsome.shrekfan246 said:
That's... still only one move. She kicks while ducking too, right? Not really enough to justify an entire redesign, though, if you ask me. Especially when, technically speaking, the new design would make said attack less practical to pull off.Adeptus Aspartem said:
Surely you know exactly why that's not a valid point.Lieju said:
The complaint I was addressing was that a person in a fighting game would have a hard time actually brawling in high heels. My comment pointed out that this, in fact, is a pointless argument, since the character moves however they move regardless of what accessories they are wearing
And to answer you more directly, if you remove her characterization in Other M, the only personality trait Samus has is being a woman. There's not too many ways to take that. Meanwhile, Mario actually has a sort of personality, albeit a shallow one, and having his shirt evaporate whenever he gains a powerup would contrast sharply with - oh, Christ, do you really need me to explain this? I feel stupid just pointing out why your argument makes no sense!
Man, I miss old school Japanese art like this. When characters still had a bulk and a weight to them.otakon17 said:Me, I prefer Samus when she was a purple haired 6 foot 3 inch amazon weighing in at near 200lbs.
