Matthew Jabour said:
"If you're offended by this, you're the one with a problem, because you noticed" is frequently used as a real argument. You might want to avoid sounding like that, since there's lots of people that use that argument in perfect seriousness. It strikes them as a good way to silence dissent, for some reason.
Icehearted said:
Really? I seem to remember she was one of the first to have a bikini cheat code, and rewarded the player with variously increasing levels of undress based on their speed in completing Metroid games.
On the surface this looks like an excellent point. But what's the first rule of Metroid? Don't just look at the surface. And this argument's about as full of holes as Zebes.
In the original games, Samus killed every living thing in her way, then when her work was done she took off her armor. Which is basically what you'd expect any soldier to do when the battle is won. You could argue it was a bit crass for Nintendo to let us see her when she was relaxing after work, but it was fanservice delivered in a way that let Samus as character develop into something strong and really not sexualized. 10 seconds of her out of her armor in the credits is heavily outweighed by however much time you spent with her in her armor beating the game.
So she became characterized someone that was all-business most of the time, wearing completely practical clothing, but with the ability to relax later. When she finally got a few lines of dialog, they matched with that personality. She was quiet, serious-minded, introspective, and practical. Basically, someone that has no business wearing high heels, the epitome of clothing selected for their sex appeal and not their practicality.
Icehearted said:
Personally I was amazed when the Zero Suit was a thing, because it's basically a body stocking. We're way past being guarded about how she's portrayed at this point, and these weirdly irregular ideas about what's too sexy have become much to polarized by the glut of forced controversy being shoehorned into this medium by parties interested in controversy for controversy's sake.
Are you really going with
"you're not a real gamer if you disagree with me"? Lame.
As for why people are saying something now, "when clearly Samus has been sexualized for a while" it's because it's a shift that happened bit by bit, a little at a time, and it wasn't even a straight line. In the original games the "sexy Samus" was limited to when she was done with her work. In Zero Mission we saw the Zero suit briefly, but it was presented as a hell run of sorts, something you wanted to get over as quickly as possible, and was still a small fraction of gameplay overall. A few people complained and said it would end badly, but they got laughed at. I mean come on, the official art even had Nintendo saying "no high heels!" they weren't going to turn Samus into Lara Croft (a character that in 2006 showed more sense than modern Samus, by taking off a pair of high heels before fighting)
Smash Brothers' introduced the Zero suit more visibly, which is unfortunate, but the main Varia suit was still the thrust of the character, and you had the Prime games presenting Samus more desexualized than ever. At that point it could have gone either way.
And we got Other M.
'Nuff said.
We probably would've spent more time protesting the high heels and beauty mark in Other M, but there was just soooo much to hate in that game. We're only human!
And now here we are with her in high heels, a skintight suit, enlarged breasts since the last game, a beauty mark, and the "no armor on" Samus is being pushed to the forefront so heavily it's a playable character itself. What was once something you got for a few seconds, if you worked hard, which still let the character remain serious, is now being shoved in the fans' faces from the word go.
Icehearted said:
This hurts nobody, nor does it set civilization back by any stretch.
This one specific thing, all on its own? No, it's hurting nobody. But that "high heels, so what" attitude in general? Yeah, that actually factually provably is harming people. These days games are being played for a few billion hours worldwide every week, and people are influenced by what they see. That doesn't mean that because people play a FPS they'll go out and shoot people, because we all know shooting people in the real world is wrong. But continuing to push high heels as the norm? Yeah, that'll probably feed the public's denial that they're actually a major health nuisance. They may not be killing many people (I say "many" because something that common which leaves you off balance and limits your mobility has to have claimed a few lives over the last couple centuries), but it's well-established that they're a major source of injuries and health problems for women. So the overall trend of continuing to slap them on more and more women in media, even ones that should have more sense than to wear the horrible things, is definitely hurting women. And since some of those health issues, like osteoporosis, are likely to kick in when they're older and on Medicare, it's a drain on taxes, so sure, it sets civilization back a bit too. Less so than some other health hazards, but I can't think of many contemporary health hazards that get shrugged off and ignored as much as high heels.