Zombie Apocolypse - With a Twist.

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deadmanreaper13

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okay, i live near San Francisco.

first, go to friends house where every family member knows how to use a gun(family of cops,swat,and hunters;they have alot of guns) and stay there a few days.

next, be an idiot and head into San Francisco.(I smell a Darwin Award!)

along the way, grab food, water, more guns, and mabye more people. next,steal a boat and sail to Alcatraz Island. kill anything on island that could be a threat (human and zombie) and secure base of operations.

survive by making raids into the city or heading out to sea and raiding along the coast. if we lose survivers, try to find more in nearby towns.

and that is how I will try to survive.
(note total disregard for human life.I will kill almost anyone who gets in the way of my survival, including family)
 

Azure Sky

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Chimichanga said:
Azure Sky said:
*Snip. Applying real world logic to zombies is silly*
Theoretical zombies are theoretical.

Getting narkish because you got called out is silly. =3
You're getting defensive because I actually knew what I was talking about. My argument was solid and the facts were valid. You just can't reply with anything intelligent to refute my statements. Remember: you said "realistic scenario", considering that the threat is part of said scenario, I'm just applying it to them too. Be more specific if you want them to have super powers.

Don't pout too much.

PS: and adding emoticons to the end of every last sentence gives me the impression that you are a 16 year-old girl or a 14 year-old boy
Well, seeing as my response was a mere jest at how silly the situation was.
Look at all the blowing out of proportion you managed.

But I'm bored, lets play. =3

You know all about fictional flesh-eating corpses that walk? There is nothing solid about an argument about zombies if you are constantly beating at it 'real world facts and knowledge'. o_O

As for a Realistic Scenario? Now you are taking liberties, I suggest you go and reread the OP, as that R word was not mentioned, even once.

Your ego got burned, get over it?

Pity pouting isn't an emoticon I know, care to show me what it is?

PS: I take that as an invitation for more emoticons, enjoy. ^^
Also, if you get to pick at my emotes, I shall pick at your quoting, or lack thereof. =3
 

Azure Sky

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Sober Thal said:
What's the twist?

Seriously, I read the OP twice and I can't figure it out. Or is the twist just the seemingly realistic limitations?
Primarily it was to try and curb the 'trigger happy' scenarios, I just expanded it a little.
 

Spartan448

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Ya know what? Scrap what I said earlier.

To quote Griff from the popular web series Red vs Blue...

"I'm going to Alaska! Everyone knows zombies have no body heat! They'll freeze like corpse-sicles!"
 

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I live in NYC so I am in for some serious trouble in the event of pretty much any zombie outbreak.

This is what i have thought (so far):

I'd have one backpack nearly filled with empty glass bottle ( if I needed to guess I would say it can hold approx. 15-20 bottles, which because of the nearby bars and supermarkets, I can replenish bottles when my bag runs low) and rags so I could make some molotovs, probably at the nearest gas stations or by siphoning(sic) gas from cars.

I'd have a duffelbag which holds a boltcutter and a crowbar so I could break into a bunch of places easily and relatively quietly for food, clothing, weapons and cigarettes( not that I smoke. It will most likely become the currency after the apocalypse). It would also hold 3 rolls of duct tape (and I guess a tube for that previously mentioned siphoning) and some(maybe 100 rounds) of pistol ammo ( for whichever type of guns I am weilding at the time. Also, I am really lacking a guess on how much space that would take up). I'd have to steal the guns and ammo (somehow), maybe from a closed/abandoned gun store. (even though the store would probably be emptied by it's owners for their own use). Note: if the guns aren't gettable, I would try to aquire the same number of fireworks as the amount of ammo (preferably m-80s and other non-flying fireworks) from a friend.

Now that I am weighed down with all that on my back, let's get to what I am wearing. A T-shirt and a pair of cargo pants (lots of pockets for: a lighter, a clip or 2 for my pistols or 5 or 6 m-80s, and a can of Axe (or any other flammable aerosol spray that can fit in a pocket ) for an impromptu flamethrower). A hoodie. And 2 pistols in hand (or the fireworks in the hoodies pockets, which can be thrown and used as a distraction as well as weapons. If I am using the fireworks, i gotta keep the crowbar easily accessible) I'd aso wear a (stolen) balacalava and some nice shades, to keep the zombie blood off my face and eyes especially. Maybe some leather gloves for keeping zombie blood off of near inevitable cuts on my hands.

I think I would be able to carry all of that. Maybe not run with it on but definitely carry it.
Edit: my plan is only to survive, not to escape.
I will probably move into formerly inhabited apartment complexes for the high ground and the isolation of higher floors.
 

Chimichanga

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So, after recently taking a look into the most recent zombie thread, I decided to do something a little different to the standard 'lolinfiniteammo' angle a lot of people seem to have. =3 (All props to Gecko Clown for giving me the idea)

Basic Rules:
You must be able to carry everything on your person. If something sounds sketchy, explain it out.
"Really large bags of X" are not allowed, particularly ammo. =3
Anything mentioned must be current-age and readily obtainable, 'most' things requiring a permit within reason are allowed. (guns, knives etc)
You can be infected. Known to spread by saliva and blood.
If something comes in many (ammo, batteries, food, etc), state numbers and remember you need to carry it all, no stashes.
Things can, and will wear/break with constant/improper use. Item in question pending.
You are allowed encouraged to be a MacGuyver and play the do-it-yourself game with anything feasible.

Scenario is: Zombies, lots of them.
Really slow, really strong, really stupid, unlikely to starve variety.
Highly sensitive to noise, known to group up.
While you did not explicitly say "The R word", you're implying realism. As in "No infinite ammo", "reasonable carry weight", "limited equipment space", "reasonable, believable, and obtainable weapons", etc. I'd say realism is heavily implied.

The only thing against that is the "sensitive to noise" bit that I admit I glazed over and forgot about when I made my original and in my last post. My bad.

*Now on to the zombies:

While zombies are entirely fictional, their physical properties are not. The only things I'm willing to suspend my disbelief over is that the said zombies' brains still have their cells connected to make commands, and that they are somehow able to produce adrenosine triphosphate - which is a catalyst for muscle contraction - without breathing or having moving or uncoagulated blood; essentially being the fact that they are able to move. That bit of suspension of disbelief aside, everything else I leave up to the laws of nature and biology. If you wish to make exceptions (now rereading the OP, I now acknowledge) be more specific about how they function. Vagueness shows a lack of imagination as I see it.

Just because it is all theoretical does not mean that standard biology and life science can not be applied to it and used to help flesh out the details. It is key to making a good, clear, and understandable scenario. The reason why I posted in this thread originally.

Despite what your smart-ass remarks may imply, I may not be an up-and-coming Dr. Frankenstein, but I'm willing to bet that I know a lot more about the fundamentals of decomposition, cells, biology, and the human body then you do.

*Now on to you, because you seem to insist on making this personal for yourself:

Perhaps you are reading my posts in the wrong tone. My original post and my response to you were intended to be read in a calm and neutral voice: in the manner of stating facts since I interpreted your reply to be criticizing my train of thought regarding theoretical zombie physiology because you did not understand my reasoning.

It's only when you started to make fun of my reply that my tone changed. I am really not that bothered by any of your posts. because you asked, my ego is doing quite well; I do not tie it to forum posts on the internet, as you seem to be guilty of yourself, considering your vested interest. I am rather confident in what I say, and I speak rationally while fully explaining myself.

You on the other hand, do not. You seem to prefer to make fun of my preference to defend my more serious statements (conversely, which I put serious thought into) with serious rebuttal. I interpret your personal attacks on me as yourself interpreting my statements as jabs at your own ego, and thus you seek to compensate and cover up for it with your fake jovial and care-free tone. A weak facade. I am not fooled; to me, you only come off as cornered and immature.

Quoting: Not understood: I have essentially been quoting you as you have been quoting me the whole time. If you meant quotation with the quotation marks, "", I truly do not wish to make my posts run any longer. It is why I try to only quote you once per post, as my own are long enough.

You openly challenged me; while I am really not concerned about or invested in continuing this, I am admittedly interested in how you will respond.

Your move, but make it fast: I'm only going to be up for another hour before I get some shut-eye.

Sorry about the long post, though - you gave me so much to cover. The more narrow the argument, the less text I'll use to explain.
 

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That Guy Who Phails said:
bushwhacker2k said:
HG131 said:
I own three pistols (one of which is an old police revolver) in their own carrying case with ammo, a shotgun with it's own leather case that has a strap to be slung over you to carry it, two 22 Caliber rifles and a case of ammo for them. Get to a gun store, pick up spare ammo, pick up a bunch of wood, get home, board up the 8 windows, smash the sliding glass door and board it up, board up the windows. Then wait with a whole lot of guns and ammo. Oh, and play Disturbed, KISS and Wolfmother really fucking loud. Snipe the idiots that get close.
That's cool, but

Azure Sky said:
Numbers: Easily outnumbering surviving humans 1000s to 1
What happens when you run out of food and ammo?
you be ded
Case in point :p :D

Chimichanga said:
While zombies are entirely fictional, their physical properties are not. The only things I'm willing to suspend my disbelief over is that the said zombies' brains still have their cells connected to make commands, and that they are somehow able to produce adrenosine triphosphate - which is a catalyst for muscle contraction - without breathing or having moving or uncoagulated blood; essentially being the fact that they are able to move.
I think that's where we bring imagination into the picture, like an alien organism in/on their brain that can send signals to their muscles without the requirement of blood or oxygen :D

Not arguing with you, obviously, just trying to throw something in to fit the point.
 

Azure Sky

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Chimichanga said:
TLDR Probably has zero relevance to the thread anyway
Stealth quoting is bad, it won't stop be from finding it.

Enough games, zombies are not real, this thread is a theoretical fantasy, time to move on.

On topic or leave. I am over arguing with people that refuse to see the facts in front of their own face.
 

deadmanreaper13

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Chimichanga, have you ever seen zombieland? or any other movie,game,or show where zombies are not really dead? they can simply be living humans infected by a virus that causes them to try to eat other living beings. in cases such as this, they will not decompose and their sences will not be hampered by death.

and please recall, this is about fictional creatures. for all we know, if zombies ever do appear, they could have wings. its simply impossible to know percisly what will happen.
 

Chimichanga

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Azure Sky said:
Enough games, zombies are not real, this thread is a theoretical fantasy, time to move on.

On topic or leave. I am over arguing with people that refuse to see the facts in front of their own face.
Good; specific. Less to say.

Still not fully understanding your issue with how I quote. I find that they fulfill the use I have for them: provide context and a reference to things you have said that I am currently referring to.

Yes, I get that it's theoretical fantasy; what I'm trying to say is that the theoretical details (senses, etc.) about zombies are so important because very minor details like that change the entire imagined situation.

Heck, what I originally said was really not science or anything complex; all I meant to say is that it's totally reasonable to presume that zombies would have inferior senses due to constant decay. My reasons for continuing to reply to you now has little to do with proving myself factual, but because instead of a serious response you decided to give what I interpreted as the internet equivalent of sticking your thumbs in your ears and giving me a loud, wet raspberry. I would have acquit after my first reply post had you simply and maturely restated your OP's statement about the rules your zombies go by.

To the best of my knowledge, I have been on-topic the entire time: I have given answers to almost every relevant statement you've posted concerning me. What "facts" other than "it's theoretical fantasy" have you, yourself, otherwise made?
 

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bushwhacker2k said:
I think that's where we bring imagination into the picture, like an alien organism in/on their brain that can send signals to their muscles without the requirement of blood or oxygen :D

Not arguing with you, obviously, just trying to throw something in to fit the point.
Noted; at the time of my first two posts I forgot about the hearing-thing and assumed we were talking about ultra-realistic ones.

deadmanreaper13 said:
Yes to all of them, and 'infected' is different from zombie. I just assumed this thread was about the latter. My persistence in posting now has more to do with him than what my original assumption of realism. If I haven't stated it already, I accept the suspension of disbelief. He directly challenged me: I accepted, and I feel obliged to continue whenever I either have the time or the interest. If he continues to persist as well, then I may pick this up late tomorrow if I remember it. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see.
 

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Chimichanga said:
bushwhacker2k said:
I think that's where we bring imagination into the picture, like an alien organism in/on their brain that can send signals to their muscles without the requirement of blood or oxygen :D

Not arguing with you, obviously, just trying to throw something in to fit the point.
Noted; at the time of my first two posts I forgot about the hearing-thing and assumed we were talking about ultra-realistic ones.
Well, as you previously stated, the fact that zombies are in the picture kind of requires a suspension of belief. Lest I'm mistaken an organism developed by man that could use a mostly dead brain to send signals to a body isn't too far beyond something that reanimates dead tissue.
 

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Chimichanga said:
Good; specific. Less to say.

Still not fully understanding your issue with how I quote. I find that they fulfill the use I have for them: provide context and a reference to things you have said that I am currently referring to.

Yes, I get that it's theoretical fantasy; what I'm trying to say is that the theoretical details (senses, etc.) about zombies are so important because very minor details like that change the entire imagined situation.

Heck, what I originally said was really not science or anything complex; all I meant to say is that it's totally reasonable to presume that zombies would have inferior senses due to constant decay. My reasons for continuing to reply to you now has little to do with proving myself factual, but because instead of a serious response you decided to give what I interpreted as the internet equivalent of sticking your thumbs in your ears and giving me a loud, wet raspberry. I would have acquit after my first reply post had you simply and maturely restated your OP's statement about the rules your zombies go by.

To the best of my knowledge, I have been on-topic the entire time: I have given answers to almost every relevant statement you've posted concerning me. What "facts" other than "it's theoretical fantasy" have you, yourself, otherwise made?
Seeing as you either are not aware or a feigning something else, I will assume the former for the sake of not being nasty. One of the primary uses for the quote system is to notify the quoted party. Not quoting properly will not do this, which can annoy people, especially if there is any form of 'debate' running. Other people may also go as far to taking it as being rude.

As to the issue at hand.
The OP is a theoretical scenario with a pre-given setting, with pre-set limitations.
My main problem is that you seem to be not recognizing that the OP setting is predefined and still trying to set other/your own limitations on it. If this was your thread, then it wouldn't be an issue. As it is not, it would probably be the best idea not to continue.

Suggestions are fine, trying to install your own ideas/preferences otherwise is kinda bad form.

I suppose I owe you an apology though, That previous blow-up was a culmination of irritation at the situation on the back of pulling an all nighter.

Can we drop the argument now and get back on topic please?
 

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grab some protective clothing, and some knives, I have no guns, and no idea where to acquire any on short notice, probably a steel bar that i have lying around, and then drive or bike to the nearby naval base, hop on a ship, and I should be alright.
 

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well... i'm surrounded by rednecks so at least every other house has a gun/ammo supply... zombies wouldn't last 1 day around here. Hell they would prolly all get picked off in time for schools to not get a delay.
 

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Spread by saliva and blood? Then there's little point in fighting - blood spatter would get everywhere. If you even slice up some ground hamburger, you're likely to get some flecks of blood on you.

I say I'm going for protection first. Namely, some sort of quarantine-type coveralls, with gas mask. We're talking the thick, military issue kind of deal. Underneath, I'll probably wear some sort of thick padding, and then under all that, a drysuit for good measure. Uncomfortable, hot, but protected.

The obvious solution would be to get onto some sort of plane or boat and find some island without any zombies and try to wait it out. As I said, it's pointless to go hand-to-hand when any fleck of blood spells your doom. And guns are awesome and all, but a) you'll run out of ammo and b) if these creatures can survive without eating, then you can't assume that targeting their brain or organs or musculature will do anything to stop them from moving.

Equally pointless to go to the countryside - if they don't die of starvation, then they're not motivated by hunger, so they won't be following the food supply.


Of course, any hypothetical zombie scenario would just highlight the impossibility of a zombie. How can a blood-borne virus be transmitted so easily? How come these walking dead don't decay rapidly with exposure to sunlight, oxygen, and millions and millions of bacteria? How come they don't all get eaten by carnivorous animals (and even more scavenging animals)? And if it's because the animals turn to zombie too, then how can this virus be transmittable between all species? And if animals do turn to zombies, how come we don't see people getting pecked and nibbled to death by songbirds and squirrels in the movies? And how come the zombies don't attack each other? No, seriously - one moment they'll be biting and eating each other, the next "oh, he's a zombie, better stop." If they're motivated by hunger, there's pounds and pounds of dead, shambling flesh all around them for the eating. If they're motivated by rage, there's many people around them still moving that can be attacked repeatedly. Instead, zombies work together. Why?
 

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Azure Sky said:
First off, any high-degree cranial damage would be sufficient to kill a zombie, as would severing the spinal cord. Hence the use of blunt trauma or decapitation.

Second, camo? Zombies are quite poor sighted, if not blind depending on where you referance. The best sense they have is sound, and on that note. [Edit: Correction, smell is probably the best, open wounds and all]

Third, overuse of firearms. Dunno about you, but -any- firearm going off in a wasteland is going to carry, far. Expect it to draw attention to zombies well over 5 miles away, no way you have that much ammo. =3
True, any severe cranial damage would kill a zombie, but using my zombie frame of reference (Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide) spinal damage may cripple them, but still leave the part attached to the head well and alive. And while I acknowledge that using something like a mace or axe or sword to inflict fatal wounds to the zombies is sometimes necessary, someone cannot simply pick up any blunt object and be able to consistently deliver fatal blows with every stroke. It takes practice to be truly proficient with any weapon, and it also take a cool head. If you're being surrounded by a horde of zombies, almost everyone is going to be in a state of panic and their blows will not be efficient. I'd rather be able to deliver fatal wounds with yards between me and them. Though as I said, I included a hatchet as a last resort melee weapon, and if I was able to establish a more permanent base, I would probably look for a bigger stick, so to speak. I am against the over-reliance of hand-to-hand weapons, as I think it exposes you to far too much risk.

I probably should have made the decision for camo clearer. It's not to hide myself better from zombies, as I know right well they will likely smell and hear me before seeing me, even if I'm right in their face. The camo is a long-term decision: hunting will be a key source of sustenance, and camo will obviously give me an advantage over my prey, or at least it will help even the odds.

Firearms are how humans are going to survive the apocalypse. If you'll notice that unlike everybody else who commented, I did not go with the biggest, baddest, loudest gun I could find, but rather small caliber weapons that will not alert every zombie in a 5 mile radius with every shot. Also, only in flat, unwooded areas is the sound of gunfire going to put me at great risk; once I'm in a hillier, wooded area, the sound of .22 caliber guns will be almost entirely masked.
 
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Saliva and Blood?
Get an Hazmat Suit and some decent combat armor (Mostly scratchproof).
I will arm myself with a VSS vintorez sniper rifle (80 rounds extra), combat knife, and some good boots.
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Basically looking like the HECU, but with long sleeves
 

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skim172 said:
Spread by saliva and blood? Then there's little point in fighting - blood spatter would get everywhere. If you even slice up some ground hamburger, you're likely to get some flecks of blood on you.

I say I'm going for protection first. Namely, some sort of quarantine-type coveralls, with gas mask. We're talking the thick, military issue kind of deal. Underneath, I'll probably wear some sort of thick padding, and then under all that, a drysuit for good measure. Uncomfortable, hot, but protected.

The obvious solution would be to get onto some sort of plane or boat and find some island without any zombies and try to wait it out. As I said, it's pointless to go hand-to-hand when any fleck of blood spells your doom. And guns are awesome and all, but a) you'll run out of ammo and b) if these creatures can survive without eating, then you can't assume that targeting their brain or organs or musculature will do anything to stop them from moving.

Equally pointless to go to the countryside - if they don't die of starvation, then they're not motivated by hunger, so they won't be following the food supply.


Of course, any hypothetical zombie scenario would just highlight the impossibility of a zombie. How can a blood-borne virus be transmitted so easily? How come these walking dead don't decay rapidly with exposure to sunlight, oxygen, and millions and millions of bacteria? How come they don't all get eaten by carnivorous animals (and even more scavenging animals)? And if it's because the animals turn to zombie too, then how can this virus be transmittable between all species? And if animals do turn to zombies, how come we don't see people getting pecked and nibbled to death by songbirds and squirrels in the movies? And how come the zombies don't attack each other? No, seriously - one moment they'll be biting and eating each other, the next "oh, he's a zombie, better stop." If they're motivated by hunger, there's pounds and pounds of dead, shambling flesh all around them for the eating. If they're motivated by rage, there's many people around them still moving that can be attacked repeatedly. Instead, zombies work together. Why?
Sigh... I had this argument no less then 5 posts ago...

For the sake of the thread I will correct you on a few points.
Yes, blood and saliva, like any zombie/infected movie or game.
As long as said blood and saliva doesn't get you in the eyes, nose, mouth, ears, open wounds etc or otherwise get into your system, you are more than likely going to be fine, but it is better to wash it off sooner rather than later.
Going full hazmat is silly, it's not airborne, see above. Hazmats are also not puncture-proof.
Hand to hand is fine, as long as they don't grapple, pin or otherwise back you into a corner.
The 'virus' as I am going to call it to save time, probably animates its host corpse for the sole reason to spread and sustain itself, generally through the living tissue they tend to eat or at worst, the host corpse. As it being a reanimated corpse, as said above, it is still a dead human. everything is as a human, they don't move by magic. Sever the spinal cord, stop the zombie. Damage the head enough, stop the zombie.

Can't be arsed with the rest.

This is basic zombie cliche, watch a few movies?