The bikelock bandit, who notably went in and out without any coordination with the crowd, (edgelords are rife in riots, like the Molotovers, who always dip in and then quickly out by themselves like Clanton here did) and some people tussling over a flag (in medias res) after which someone falls over and is left alone. Amazing smoking gun there to compare to police firing people whilst sitting out on their porches and assaulting journalists when it comes to who could have been the hammer man.
Who didn't try to stop him? That is exactly what the people there did and the police STILL used it as an excuse to attack the protesters. Those foot soldiers of antifa are perfectly capable of organization as well FYI, I have seen a good amount of journalist documented footage of this to fully understand they can be extremely organized. You don't have to look like a cop playing dressup to be an organizer. Lmao. Antifa shows up with the milk and puts themselves between the cops and the protesters. They are often the ones that will pick up and throw tear gas back at the cops,, along with a brick or two. They are also often the first ones dumping milk on victims of tear gas and burns from the police. Sure, Antifa has done their share of damage, but there are plenty of other organizations who have done far more. Them being an easy scapegoat still does not mean that guy had anything to do with them and we have Zero evidence to suggest they did. Antifa isn't the one who run from anti racism protesters. LOL. They would be the ones telling the protester why they should be even more pissed.
Lmao right.. Now everyone wearing black is antifa.
Maybe don't equate violence toward human beings with property destruction.
For ethical reasons, I need to point out that none of my posts should be taken as legal advice.
Oh I know Clanton was found to be associated with antifascist groups after the police raided his home. It's just that being associated doesn't mean that you don't get excluded or berated for being an edgelord within these groups, or that if were to happen, that it would be made public.
So is there an actual threshold and actual requirements that make it clear who is or who isn't a member? Because otherwise, it just sounds like a No True Scotsman.
Those guys exist everywhere. It is like trying to blame all Christian's for the one idiot telling people black people can't go to heaven. I am not aware of any antifa groups that work against anti racism protesters instead of with them however. Usually the jerks like you describe put themselves front n center, not hide and run away.
No, but when there is zero evidence that he had anything to do with antifa and plenty showing he doesn't fit the build, it is like trying to put the square peg into the round hole because it would fit your agenda for it to work rather than actually trying to find answers here. He has as much chance of being antifa as you do and as much evidence to suggest such.
You're talking about groups that are organised locally and are subject to their own specific organisational tendencies. Antifa are not a monolith. I know of orgs that are countered by other orgs for being violent. I've been in situations where people police who is and who isn't part of a demo, and if people think someone could cause shit. You don't get some card or anything, you go to planning meetings, which are usually word of mouth, and if people there think you're cool, then that's the vetting process that you get. There's no formal membership and if people think you're only there to stir up shit you will be swiftly excluded, from my experience. Antifa function on the idea that there's general solidarity in the protest, and that anyone is welcome to join into the bloc, but they are, to a fault, expecting that malicious agents hoping to undermine them won't do it out of intimidation.
Yeah I mean that's another thing, if this guy was some 'Propaganda of The Deed' type then going in by himself like that is still weird. Those people are usually convinced in the spontaneity of mass action, yet this dude walks up, gets angry, stumbles around and walks away, shunning everyone who runs up to him.
It's hard to tell what went down. That highway (and most others that allow you into downtown Minneapolis and St Paul) is currently closed so how did the tanker truck get on there? Was it just a bunch of comical fuck ups (the truck driver did stop so you'd think if he was trying to attack people, he'd swerve more into the crowds and not have stopped in the middle of the crowd).
1) Cause they might've been outside, during this pandemic, and came back house once they saw stormtroopers marching in?
That's probably smoke, or tear gas.
No.
I can't imagine how the tanker got down there without intentionally doing so. Usually that would required maneuvering around barricades or driving over cones. I am going to have a hard time believing he made it that far unintentionally, and if that is the case he should lose his commercial license because he would be unfit to drive a tanker at all.
a) I didn't.
Yea and what about before he got that far as well? You know as well as I do they have a ton more stuff before that point telling the guy the road is closed, and why would he keep going seeing that in the road in the first place and having the highway completely empty during rush hour??? It isn't like he would be oblivious to the protests going on. He could have been enraged about the protesters but then didn't know what to do when he got there in the moment of it all. Who knows what they are thinking to do something that stupid in the first place.
Lotta people, including Minnesota politicians, saying he had a confederate flag and other racist iconography. Dude clearly had some intentions.
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