Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Trailer

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Yeah well, the problem is that the threat of Thanos, as presented in the films, is disjointed at best. He's powerful enough WITHOUT any of the stones in Endgame to hold off the entire Avengers, but was weaker WITH the stones (and also fighting fewer Avengers), in Infinity War to be a threat? It's entirely down to plot armor. So it's entirely possible that they introduce some BBEG with cosmic powers, that are cancelled out because of Secret Magical Ninja Kung Fu Chi Guy, in classic yin/yang logic. I mean come on, this is Marvel, shit doesn't make sense, and they don't care. It just has to make narrative sense, and even that's debatable.
I mean Im not sure that fully tracks. Thanos started Infinity War with an infinity stone, and then got another one in the opening scene, and that makes him the most powerful being in the universe. And yeah he wipes the floor with the Avengers, who are disjointed and fighting on multiple fronts against an increasingly most powerful being in the Universe. And then in Endgame when he no longer has the stones the Avengers kill him effortlessly.
And when other Thanos comes in he doesn't have any of the stones, and he has to fight all the Avengers united. That's a pretty different situation.
 

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I am with @happyninja42 on this. I don't know why most of you are so underwhelmed or not excited. I am stoked. Other than Mortal Kombat, I can use another mystical magic martial-arts movie madness.
 

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I am with @happyninja42 on this. I don't know why most of you are so underwhelmed or not excited. I am stoked. Other than Mortal Kombat, I can use another mystical magic martial-arts movie madness.
See I think you hit the nail on the head, this just looks like a Mortal Kombat origin movie, and those have never been good.
 

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Is he the guy that is an expert in every fighting style? I googled him once.
 

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this just looks like a Mortal Kombat origin movie
Not it does not. I don't see any hints of a tournament arc.

and those have never been good.
If you're talking about that MK Web Series from late 09 to the early 2010s that tried to be "realistic and grounded" a la Batman Begins. I can see where you're coming from, but thankfully, Shang-Chi has none of that bullshit.
 

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And then in Endgame when he no longer has the stones the Avengers kill him effortlessly.
And when other Thanos comes in he doesn't have any of the stones, and he has to fight all the Avengers united. That's a pretty different situation.
Ok so, you say in one sentence "non-stone thanos is killed easily" and then immediately say non-thanos is strong enough to fight off the entire avengers united. so which is it? Is he a badass because of the stones? or because he himself is a badass? Because you can't have it both ways from a writing standpoint. If he was ONLY a true threat in IW because he had a stone, and thus had a massive power boost, then you don't get to have him going toe to to with ALL of the avengers, avengers+ actually, WITHOUT the stones.

Perhaps I worded it poorly in my initial statement. What I meant is you can't have him be a threat on par with an Avengers team in IW that added up to a smaller number of people than Endgame, where the fights seem equal, and thus there is dramatic tension, and base it on him having magic rocks. Only to turn around, and have that same character, WITHOUT the magic rocks that made him equal to the...we'll just say Avengers 6 (the 6 main ones that fought him in most encounters), be of a strength that makes him on par with ALL the Avengers. Like 100+ Avengers. Non-stone Thanos fought a larger, more coordinated ARMY, than Stone Thanos, and in both cases, it's framed as being "roughly equal footing" for the combatants. Because dramatic tension. That undercuts the...I hate to say this about magic rocks but, "logic" of your film, when you do that.

You don't get to say Level 5 Thanos with a regular sword is a bigger threat, than level 99 Thanos with his Ultimate Weapon, and have it make any sense at all, logically, or narratively. Especially when it's established that the REASON he's a threat at all, is the Ultimate Weapon.
 
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You don't get to say Level 5 Thanos with a regular sword is a bigger threat, than level 99 Thanos with his Ultimate Weapon, and have it make any sense at all, logically, or narratively. Especially when it's established that the REASON he's a threat at all, is the Ultimate Weapon.
You know something is wrong when Devil May Cry has power levels and structure more consistent than Endgame.
 

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You know something is wrong when Devil May Cry has power levels and structure more consistent than Endgame.
Never played them so I'll take your word for it :D

Though to be fair to Endgame, it did handle a time travel plot line WAY better than a lot of other stories have. It still isn't perfect, and has plotholes in it, like the glaring one I mentioned. But the resolution itself, was a pretty smooth (as far as temporal paradoxes and plotholes) solution.

All of which is irrelevant to the "Magic Kung Fu Punchy Guy" story that is this thread.
 
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Ok so, you say in one sentence "non-stone thanos is killed easily" and then immediately say non-thanos is strong enough to fight off the entire avengers united. so which is it? Is he a badass because of the stones? or because he himself is a badass? Because you can't have it both ways from a writing standpoint. If he was ONLY a true threat in IW because he had a stone, and thus had a massive power boost, then you don't get to have him going toe to to with ALL of the avengers, avengers+ actually, WITHOUT the stones.

Perhaps I worded it poorly in my initial statement. What I meant is you can't have him be a threat on par with an Avengers team in IW that added up to a smaller number of people than Endgame, where the fights seem equal, and thus there is dramatic tension, and base it on him having magic rocks. Only to turn around, and have that same character, WITHOUT the magic rocks that made him equal to the...we'll just say Avengers 6 (the 6 main ones that fought him in most encounters), be of a strength that makes him on par with ALL the Avengers. Like 100+ Avengers. Non-stone Thanos fought a larger, more coordinated ARMY, than Stone Thanos, and in both cases, it's framed as being "roughly equal footing" for the combatants. Because dramatic tension. That undercuts the...I hate to say this about magic rocks but, "logic" of your film, when you do that.

You don't get to say Level 5 Thanos with a regular sword is a bigger threat, than level 99 Thanos with his Ultimate Weapon, and have it make any sense at all, logically, or narratively. Especially when it's established that the REASON he's a threat at all, is the Ultimate Weapon.
You misunderstood. Non-Stone Thanos is killed easily, and then past Thanos comes in and fights the united Avengers, and is losing until he gets the stones.
Thanos from Infinity War could have easily killed the Avengers, and actively chose only to kill half. That was his entire goal, to leave half of the Universe alive and kill the other half. Its not so much that he couldn't have beaten all of them, its that he simply didn't want to.

And then in Endgame Thanos fights Thor, Iron Man and Cap and gets his ass handed to him, fights Scarlet Witch and gets his ass handed to him, fights Captain Marvel and almost gets his ass handed to him. His ultimate weapon as you put it is the stones. Without the stones he can't take the Avengers on as a whole. And when he gets the stones he is literally one snap of his fingers away from winning again in Endgame and its only Iron Man's sacrifice that stops him.
Infinity War Thanos who has stones easily wipes the floor with the Avengers.
Endgame Thanos who does not have the stones holds his own against 3, then summons an army to support him, and is only a real threat again once he gets the stones.
 

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Never played them so I'll take your word for it
Short version:

  • DMC 3 (a prequel and chronologically the first game in the series): Dante (younger twin) is weaker than Vergil (older twin) at first. By the end of the game, Dante gets stronger due to his resolve and newfound care for humanity. Both are half-human and half-demon.
  • DMC 1: Dante becomes as powerful as his father Sparda to defeat Mundus (the universe equvialent of Satan that can make life and his own dimensions) and seal him back to the Underworld.
  • DMC 2: Dante is overpowered and more powerful than anything in this game ever in gameplay and cut-scenes. Lucia is powerful, but not as strong as Dante, because she's a half demon made in a lab.
  • DMC 4: Dante is implied to surpass his father in power. Nero, a 1/4 demon and son to Vergil, while powerful is not as powerful as Dante. Due to him still being young and lacking a true Devil Trigger.
  • DMC 5: Urizen starts off wrecking Dante's shit and beats him and all of his allies. Dante later stabs himself with his broken Rebellion Sword and fuses it with the Devil Sword Sparda after fulling embracing his demonic side. Gets Sin Devil Trigger. He fights Urizen to a stand still and latter runs away. Round 3, defeats Urizen (but ate a fruit filled with human blood of over millions of people), but V (Vergil's human half) merges with Urizen (the demonic half) to reform Vergil. After that, Dante and Vergil duke it out, and the older twin also gets a Sin Devil Trigger and power boost from the fruit. They once again, fight to a stand still until Nero interrupts and unlocks his DT (but not Sin DT). After learning Vergil is father fills him with new resolve to protect the little family he has left. Nero biatch slaps Dante, and is able to beat Vergil, because the twins are already winded from smacking each other.
If you need anything simpler, consult to this:

 

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Well that trailer may be one of the most boring underwhelming trailers for a Marvel film I've seen. I like Martial Arts films (mostly). This will be a middle of the road series and best............ except it's not a series it's a film and the fights look really kinda boring and unimaginative.


And an example watch this trailer for the AMC series into the Badlands and just look at how stylish the fight scenes are in it.

 

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I love how all movies never touch overthrowing a greedy western government ever. It's always some rogue company, Russia, Nazis, and the USSR.

Also, fuck superheroes, all they do is enforce the status quo. Name one superhero that has fought for universal healthcare, or against income inequality.

Edit: case in point Spiderman Miles Morales. When a company cut corners in Spiderman Miles Morales, Miles should have sided with the underground like what happened in Watch Dogs, instead, he was a centrist in the video game.
 
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I am with @happyninja42 on this. I don't know why most of you are so underwhelmed or not excited. I am stoked. Other than Mortal Kombat, I can use another mystical magic martial-arts movie madness.
It looks like your typical Marvel movie, but with martial arts. And with martial arts you really need to put the work in to stand out anymore; I don't think blue energy wafts are really gonna cut it. Not for me anyway. There needs to be something to it to really make you perk up your ears, like the sheer rawness of The Raid or the sharpness and camera work of Upgrade. This just looks like the most boilerplate action. The teaser trailer for Master got me a lot more excited for superpowered martial arts.
 

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It looks like your typical Marvel movie, but with martial arts. And with martial arts you really need to put the work in to stand out anymore; I don't think blue energy wafts are really gonna cut it. Not for me anyway. There needs to be something to it to really make you perk up your ears, like the sheer rawness of The Raid or the sharpness and camera work of Upgrade. This just looks like the most boilerplate action. The teaser trailer for Master got me a lot more excited for superpowered martial arts.
Not everything needs to be The Raid or Upgrade. Nor would I want to, even though I really love the former a lot. Sometimes it's just nice to have a regular magical kung fu movie. If I need my Raid fix that badly, I got plenty of other options. Many options. I am not a snob, nor am I spoiled. I appreciate what comes out and what I get.
 

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Also, fuck superheroes, all they do is enforce the status quo. Name one superhero that has fought for universal healthcare, or against income inequality.
That's because superheroes need to be cool, and the only way to be cool is to punch something. It's not about actually inspiring for change and for people to do better, it's about wish fullfillment and watching awsome things happening on screen. This then might have a bit of moral coating, but nothing that'll ruin anyone's fun obviously.
Not everything needs to be The Raid or Upgrade. Nor would I want to, even though I really love the former a lot. Sometimes it's just nice to have a regular magical kung fu movie. If I need my Raid fix that badly, I got plenty of other options. Many options. I am not a snob, nor am I spoiled. I appreciate what comes out and what I get.
That's fair. But we're, like, 20 Marvel movies in now and we're still running on the same dang formula (including visually), and adding some rather standard looking martial arts isn't exactly a shot in the arm. Granted though the MCU just doesn't do much for me. I still get more out of the older X-Men, Spider-Man movies, and animated movies like The Incredibles (not its shitty sequel) and Spider-Verse.
 

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That's fair. But we're, like, 20 Marvel movies in now and we're still running on the same dang formula (including visually), and adding some rather standard looking martial arts isn't exactly a shot in the arm.
We'll have to wait and see, because I think they're at least trying. The cinematographer worked on Spider-man 2 and 3, Alita Battle Angel, Matrix, Scott Pilgrim. I think at the very least the movie looks like they don't have that muted color filter that the other movies have. As for everything else... well I'm hoping it was just an badly edited trailer.

OT:
Two takeaways from this video:
1) Apparently Shang-chi in some versions can project his chi or some shit to make clones, which I hope they use in this version. Sounds a lot more interesting than just punching harder.
2) The plot will be very similar to Mortal Kombat, with a tournament to I assume the death for some prize, probably the Ten Rings. Bit of a weird coincidence considering the new MK movie just came out.
 
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We'll have to wait and see, because I think they're at least trying. The cinematographer worked on Spider-man 2 and 3, Alita Battle Angel, Matrix, Scott Pilgrim. I think at the very least the movie looks like they don't have that muted color filter that the other movies have. As for everything else... well I'm hoping it was just an badly edited trailer.
Oh, Bill Pope? Neat! Can't say I've ever seen a prominent director of photography on an MCU movie, so that at least might be interesting to see the outcome of.
 

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I still get more out of the older X-Men, Spider-Man movies, and animated movies like The Incredibles (not its shitty sequel) and Spider-Verse.
I won't argue with you there, but if you're talking about the older X-Men films, Last Stand I still consider a rushed mess. I've ease up on it in my early 20s, but my problems with it remain. Spider-Man 3 have similar issues and did not like the retcons. Spider-Verse shits on the majority of the MCU; especially on color palette and unique art style(s). The Incredibles remains the best Fantastic Four film ever made. The sequel was just okay for me, but suffered the same problems Ghostbusters II did. Let's just reset and remake the first film. I hate it when sequels do that, unless it's some meta commentary or satire a la MGS2 or 22 Jump Street.
 
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I won't argue with you there, but if you're talking about the older X-Men films, Last Stand I still consider a rushed mess. I've ease up on it in my early 20s, but my problems with it remain. Spider-Man 3 have similar issues and did not like the retcons. Spider-Verse shits on the majority of the MCU; especially on color palette and unique art style(s). Incredibles remains the best Fantastic Four film ever made. The was just okay for me, but suffered the same problem Ghostbusters II did. Let's just reset and remake the first film. I hate it when sequels do that, unless it's some meta commentary or satire a la MGS2 or 22 Jump Street.
Oh nooo, don't get me wrong, Last Stand and Spider-Man 3 can go die in a pit. And The Incredibles 2 I couldn't even finish due to how soul-suckingly nothing that movie was. The only good thing about that movie was the more technologically advanced character model of Elastigirl in spandex.