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The message is this: always consider the future consequences of your bedfellows.
It doesn't matter if your bedfellows are fascists, democrats, libertarians, anarcists, or The Brotherhood of Steel. Just consider the future consequences, that's all I'm saying.

Is it still confusing?



Do you think that the oppressed Germans after WWI and right before WWII had any other option but to turn to the Nazi party for support? The Nazis offered ordinary German citizens a helping hand, a way out. Was it right of them to accept their help?

You'd probably say "no, they shouldn't have accepted their help. It would have been better for them and for the world if they had simply starved to death, because Nazis are evil and ever joining up with them is inexcusable", right?

So, just consider your own logic of "we are not in a position to deny any help" in light of this.



And that's the genius of naming yourself the equivalent of The Good Guys™. Anyone who disagrees with you must therefore be The Bad Guys™, and some people just don't think past the names.
Yes, because you're acting like we are not.

We tried things the same way for decades. No one cared. Our lives are still disposable. We're still met with baton before conversation. The future is that if we trust in the same people trying to find humanity out of the blue, this will never change. That the police backed by this government will still be an occupying force, backed by a population who really doesn't give a damn.

And I was going to answer you, but Sneed already did. Germany was still under sanctions over their actions for the war, and then the great depression hit... EVERYONE.
 
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...Let's reduce all of history to a certain narrative that just so happens to serve your big brain argument...
Would you prefer the word "aided" replaced with "weaponized suffering and entirely justified anger, while being materially and fiscally supported by one group of socioeconomic elites looking to overthrow another, providing Germans with one series of easily-demonized scapegoat after another in order to pied piper them down a path to genocidal totalitarianism"?

I mean, for someone denouncing reductionist, revisionist takes on World War II, who wants a detailed discussion of why the Nazis came to power as opposed to a confirmation biased-serving partisan argument, you're awful quick to truck out the Cold War-era party lines.
 

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since Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Von Hindenburg, not elected
I meant before that. Hitler had support, and he had to drum that up himself, before he had the full power of the state behind him. How did he do that? As ObsidianJones stated, the great depression helped. He promised a way out of that. He promised jobs. He promised solutions. He got votes.

Am I wrong about that?

Really, up until 1933, people fought for an alternative that wasn't the barbarism it resulted in
NASDAP was winning most of the popular vote in 1932.

We tried things the same way for decades. No one cared. Our lives are still disposable. We're still met with baton before conversation. The future is that if we trust in the same people trying to find humanity out of the blue, this will never change. That the police backed by this government will still be an occupying force, backed by a population who really doesn't give a damn.
I'm not gonna blame you if you say "we've tried everything else, it's time for violence", just be careful you don't become the new villain.

Oh, and by the way, who are the Jews in this instance?
White people, I'd assume.

 

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I meant before that. Hitler had support, and he had to drum that up himself, before he had the full power of the state behind him. How did he do that? As ObsidianJones stated, the great depression helped. He promised a way out of that. He promised jobs. He promised solutions. He got votes.

Am I wrong about that?

NASDAP was winning most of the popular vote in 1932.
Yes, because the KDP and the SDP promised the same thing you mentioned here, just without the ethnic cleansing. It wasn't a 'no choice' situation like you're trying to whitewash here.

The NSDAP narrowly winning the popular vote would also be like saying that all Americans, everywhere are responsible for Trump winning the electoral college. It doesn't mean there isn't an opposition, but that the support is nowhere near universal (or that it wasn't also egged on by exploiting antagonisms through superficial solutions -- a reminder that the Nazis promised a return to a perceived greatness, but without the egalitarianism of the socialists, which they adovcated to be part of an internationalist culturally bolshevik ploy to erode the German spirit of greatness and hierarchy). And again, let's not forget that they were supported by powerful business magnates and the military, plus good ol' Henry Ford and various other anti-semites.

In addition, literally any history book about Nazism will show that with every inch that the Nazis secured in the Reichstag, they took a mile in cracking down on the opposition and intensifying street violence up until they could just outright ban the opposition.
 

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This twitter thread shouldn't be shocking, I guess, but it still kind of is.


Cops are organized crime.
This is the path to atrocities. This is how we got My Lai. And yet some people will defend this, saying "the cops need to be allowed to do whatever they need to do, or criminals will run the streets". Judge Dredd is a comic book, not an instruction manual.
 

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Shahid Buttar discusses what defunding the police is all about:

 

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Ah Chaz the true vision of what people want.

Here's their alternative to law enforcement being played out. The persons offence against the community? Saying something people disagreed with when he had a turn on the Mic on the stage

 

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Ah Chaz the true vision of what people want.

Here's their alternative to law enforcement being played out. The persons offence against the community? Saying something people disagreed with when he had a turn on the Mic on the stage

Do you have a source on that part? The account you linked has only been shitposting, saying Sseth Tzeentach and Sargon are running the zone and unironically boosting OANN. All the video shows is somebody being dragged away.
 

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Do you have a source on that part? The account you linked has only been shitposting, saying Sseth Tzeentach and Sargon are running the zone and unironically boosting OANN. All the video shows is somebody being dragged away.
The list of reliable sources is meme accounts and right-wing grifters, nothing else should be trusted.
Edit: Even the videos source is fucking Jack Posobeic
 
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I'm assuming nothing of the sort. But somebody doesn't turn to political extremism merely in response to protests by groups they don't like. Extremism is a product of a huge weight of cultural & personal baggage and disconnection from the democratic systems.

The average person can be subjected to those pressures, and the average person can be victim to various efforts to subtly mislead or groom them. But the average person does not view a protest-- in which some property damage was done, but relatively little damage to health and wellbeing-- and swing to political extremism out of sheer contrarianism. Not unless they're being misled by extremist recruiters, or have exceptionally poor judgement.
No people won't become political extremist but you can be sure plenty of people if told to march will march when the threat of not marching could be most of their livelihood. That's the thing few may actually believe the ideology and be fully in it but plenty of people will follow along and be silent because to no be silent will put them at risk.

Hell you don't even need risk just look at the Asch conformity experiments in psychology.

What do you think happens when people take a "with us or against us" stance? What do you think happens when people claim those who say nothing are just as guilty as Nazis? When someone starts demonizing people the inevitable consequence is that they humanize the demons. You tell a man he's just like a Nazi enough times, he'sless likely to decide that he was evil the whole time and more likely to question what you have to say about Nazis. Deliberate divisive rhetoric is exactly that: divisive. You can't divide the world in two and expect the people in the center to only move one direction.
They already are saying "Silence is violence" or the more unfortunately hilarious "Silence is consent"

This push has been going on for years. I mean a certain Anita Sarkeesian kept repeating the phrase "There is no neutral on a moving train" a few years ago.

This is also why you see people going "AntiFA is not real bro, AntiFA is not real"

The most likely event is it's going to push a mentally unstable person to snap and we'll have another Congressional Baseball incident only with people actually dead after it not just in critical condition in hospital.



In a world without crime, would we have the police? In a world free or injury or illness, what would the medical profession be? Or, why hasn't the Poleraters, enemy of the political mindset of the Dark Moons of Mars disbanded on the account that the political mindset of the Dark Moons of Mars doesn't exist?

Well, they haven't disbanded because they don't exist, but that's really the issue here. A point arguing the validity of the future continued existence of a political movement that counters current polices IF said policies were no longer to exist is as grounded in reality as me talking about the Poleraters. That situation isn't here. We live in now, where fascism does have its grips on certain segments of American citizens now.

You fear a possible future where Antifa is not quelled even if fascism is erased. I fear this current future if more people don't react to an outrage like it's actually an outrage.
Ah but in the end there will always be enemies that is the thing

What are the suffragettes up to nowadays?
probably trying to ban sex workers and porn still is there's many left.


I meant before that. Hitler had support, and he had to drum that up himself, before he had the full power of the state behind him. How did he do that? As ObsidianJones stated, the great depression helped. He promised a way out of that. He promised jobs. He promised solutions. He got votes.
Find some-one to blame for the problems, a group everyone was fine accepting as suitable targets. Paint them as subhuman and holding society back and push his more extreme followers to go and break up rival political gatherings then point to the violence at said gathers and go basically "Look how violent their rallies are, look how awful they are compared to our nice peaceful rallies which see no trouble. They clearly are not civilised people" or probably something similar in German.



Do you have a source on that part? The account you linked has only been shitposting, saying Sseth Tzeentach and Sargon are running the zone and unironically boosting OANN. All the video shows is somebody being dragged away.
As requested

Well it shows the fight go down and him on the stage there's no reports of what he actually said

 

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The list of reliable sources is meme accounts and right-wing grifters, nothing else should be trusted.
Edit: Even the videos source is fucking Jack Posobeic
You mean as oppose to the oh so reliable words without video from anarcho communists and ACAB people who want 0 police at all?
 

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This is the path to atrocities. This is how we got My Lai. And yet some people will defend this, saying "the cops need to be allowed to do whatever they need to do, or criminals will run the streets". Judge Dredd is a comic book, not an instruction manual.
Judge Dredd is also a better trained, better behaved and more moral police officer than many of the ones in real life who commit atrocities like the George Floyd murder. Like Judge Dredd without the broad remit that Mega City One allows, would be a better class of cop than America is currently enjoying.
 
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