I won't say there is no draw to it other than desire for power. What it makes alluring is, at its core, supercharged tribalism. It oarts the world in "those that belong to us" and "everyone else", promotes all kind of intra-group cooperation and conformity inside the group and paints others as competitors.
No, that would be chattel slavery, but I guess as a fellow American you might get confused.
Historical examples of governments that call themselves communist are manifestly capable of meeting the economic needs of society, often better than capitalist societies in similar positions. This would be more obvious if capitalist nations, including the most powerful nations on earth, were not determined to sabotage them at every opportunity with assassinations, the financing of fascist coups, and so on. Indeed, I'm guessing you'd be insane too if you had to deal with the various ways in which the CIA would try to either kill you or cause other problems.
utterly delusional
You're deflecting to an argument between socialism and capitalism. If you want to defend communism, you're going to have to defend the whole thing. Some communist states have failed economically. All of them have failed governmentally. It always falls apart. There's always a dictator. People are always killed. The success or failure of the economies is not much more relevant than the success or failure of fascist economies.
You say this speaking from a country that all but eliminated its indigenous population and has had a racial underclass for centuries.
Salvador Allende is a pretty easy counterexample. Well, unless you consider the CIA installing Augusto Pinochet as dictator to meet your criteria.
Depends on the stubborn willingness of the listener to ignore, ignore, ignore.
Reuters, generally. Certainly far more than bargain-basement blogs like Red Sails, or whatever random armchair commentator with zero personal experience is dismissing survivor testimony.
Of course, your own position also exists within the narrative of a corporatist propaganda campaign. But that one's acceptable, because its not the US.
Oh, this Reuters?
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So, anecdotal evidence.
Chinese propaganda is saying to suspend judgment..? In any case, yes, I would caution anyone to be much more skeptical when considering the propaganda they are swimming in. It's far easier to get away with dishonesty when you're also the source of conventional wisdom.
Since when don't fascist leaders believe there's higher morality to their actions?
"Good people" is such an useless, vague description. "Good People on both sides". You think none of the Wehrmacht soldiers could be at one point of their lives described as vague "good people"?
That's the one! Still one of the most reliable outlets out there for international news, certainly eclipsing cheap-ass blogs like Red Sails.
So, the same standard you're happy to accept for atrocities committed by powers you already dislike, like the coup government in Bolivia. You post on-the-ground accounts or direct testimony all the time, but now it's suddenly specious and worth dismissing out of hand.
Chinese corporatist propaganda is saying "nothing to see here". And since you tend to post exclusively dismissals or denials... same wheelhouse.
Choosing to ignore the truly insane argument this kicked off, you missed my point. Your denialism is identical to that of Holocaust deniers. It’s questioning specifics then deciding because the specifics sound implausible and there’s a reason for person x to lie, the entire thing’s a lie. Now, while I by no means view what China is doing is equatable to the Nazis, it’s much more similar to Anglo imperialism but with different ethics, your argument is more like that of Holocaust deniers.
All atrocity/genocide denial is the same, whether we're talking about the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, or what's currently going on in China.
What are the death counts in Xinjiang?
When people like Adrian Zenz invent numbers for explicitly political reasons, is the intent to make disagreement fall into this category?
If dictatorships have learned anything from the Third Reich, it’s probably not to bureaucratically record and track the systemic genocide you’re engaging in.
Currently not known by anyone outside of China.
And your source on that claim is.....?
Most of the allegations don't even involve killing at all. Unlike, say, Palestine.
I was also a Saddam WMD denialist.
Adrian Zenz is guilty of quite shoddy, inference-to-the-most-dubious-genocidal-explanation scholarship and has declared it his 'holy mission' (or somesuch) to bring down the Chinese Communist Party. The Red Sails article has citations, I think, though it's not the only place I've seen that quotes Zenz or debunked his claims.
Iraqs WMDs were pushed by the US and to some degree the others of the Five Eyes. The majority of countries and the vast majority of capitalist media and even the clear majority of US allies always were pretty firm that the US was talking shit and never had presented anything resembling a proof or even a good hint. It was an obvoius lie from the beginning for everyone following international news.
Not in the United States...
This was still basically true, though.
