Funny events in anti-woke world

[Dwarvenhobble]

I’m saving this hilarious take forever. Cancel culture is when you make fun of someone for believing the vaccine will make your testicles explode.

I didn't say or use the term cancel culture in this instance.

Also while unlikely if on some outside chance there is any truth to this then yeh a possible genetic component could come into play so yes her being concerned makes some sense even if so far the medical literature isn't supporting the idea.

We can all happily say the literature doesn't support the claim but part of actual Science is or should be the willingness to investigate and potentially be proven to be wrong. I don't think the literature will be shown to be wrong but intellectual honesty says yes it could be an insane outside chance, like my Aunt whose had a bad reaction to medication and it was found the cause is she's got a genetic condition that is so rare there's only ever been something like 53 recorded cases of it. Weird stuff happens.

Because it is a thing happening in America that happens in America fucking constantly look out the goddamn window this shit is all America is and will ever be a bunch of idiots calling one another bigger idiots for believing mildly different takes on the same bullshit.

Edit: also you seem to have missed the point which I think was that people can’t both just be after personal catharsis of mocking someone and be trying to force them to change their opinions through shame (the latter of which definitely isn’t unique to Maoism).

They're not mutually exclusive.
Personal catharsis of being able to return to having their morning Starbucks and having to not wear a mask taking out their anger on those they see as stopping that and hoping shaming them will change things.

Also America wasn't always this. At least not to the level of it being the international image of the country.

 

[Revnak]

I didn't say or use the term cancel culture in this instance.

Cool. I don’t care because I have the reading comprehension to know that’s what you were talking about given what the thread and the tweet in question were about you empty sophist.

Also while unlikely if on some outside chance there is any truth to this then yeh a possible genetic component could come into play so yes her being concerned makes some sense even if so far the medical literature isn't supporting the idea.

We can all happily say the literature doesn't support the claim but part of actual Science is or should be the willingness to investigate and potentially be proven to be wrong. I don't think the literature will be shown to be wrong but intellectual honesty says yes it could be an insane outside chance, like my Aunt whose had a bad reaction to medication and it was found the cause is she's got a genetic condition that is so rare there's only ever been something like 53 recorded cases of it. Weird stuff happens.

I too will avoid the vaccine on the outside chance it makes my testicles explode this is science baybee.

Or maybe, just maybe, there’s this thing called a fucking society and a system for evaluating scientific statements that is not “your personal curiosity” but actually an entire community testing and reproducing the evidence that does not take the form of rumors about the Life cereal kid dying from eating pop rocks and soda at the same time. Science is not a madman in a lab coat strapping dynamite to squirrels. The Edwardian era was over a fucking century ago, we demand a little bit more rigor than that these days. So if you think something utterly nonsensical is true, fucking test it and shut the fuck up until you test it. Nobody took relativity seriously until Einstein made a test for it and relativity made a lot more sense than this shit.

They're not mutually exclusive.
Personal catharsis of being able to return to having their morning Starbucks and having to not wear a mask taking out their anger on those they see as stopping that and hoping shaming them will change things.

Understandable but not how you framed it.But more importantly, are you saying you aren’t doing this? Your criticism is a moral one, one of rejection of these coffee drinking liberals and their so called jokes. Then are you demonstrating something better? Because no you aren’t. You are in this pit with us, a pig in the mud. You squeal and piss and shit the same as the rest of us. Perhaps there is a better way, but pissing and shitting in rage at all the pissing and shitting certainly isn’t it.

Also America wasn't always this. At least not to the level of it being the international image of the country.

I can get more political cartoons if you want. There’s fucking millions of them. Or how about television, Red Skelton, truly a family friendly all American icon in his day, whose regular bits were mostly “aren’t homeless people dumb/gross?” A decade of MTV animation precedes 9/11, preceded by a decade of Rush Limbaugh, preceded by decades of Dean Martin bits, preceded by the political cartoons I brought up in the first place. When you have a country of powerless individuals raging at a society that bears no resemblance to a just one with no power to influence it but screaming into the void, what the fuck else do you expect?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Cool. I don’t care because I have the reading comprehension to know that’s what you were talking about given what the thread and the tweet in question were about you empty sophist.

And this is how you want it to be? No diversity of views and ideas?

I too will avoid the vaccine on the outside chance it makes my testicles explode this is science baybee.

No comment other than I'll refrain from making the obvious insulting jokes and leave people to make their own here.

Or maybe, just maybe, there’s this thing called a fucking society and a system for evaluating scientific statements that is not “your personal curiosity” but actually an entire community testing and reproducing the evidence that does not take the form of rumors about the Life cereal kid dying from eating pop rocks and soda at the same time. Science is not a madman in a lab coat strapping dynamite to squirrels. The Edwardian era was over a fucking century ago, we demand a little bit more rigor than that these days. So if you think something utterly nonsensical is true, fucking test it and shut the fuck up until you test it. Nobody took relativity seriously until Einstein made a test for it and relativity made a lot more sense than this shit.

As the same society that once suggested the sun revolved round the Earth? There is a system for evaluating scientific statements, it's called Science. Pray do tell me how many of the people calling her a moron who is being dangerous and is responsible for people dying are Scientists again who have actually studied this?

As far as what Science is and isn't, well you clearly didn't read the Ignobels this year with the research into suspending Rhinos upside down. Science says "Ok lets figure out a way to prove the poprocks thing false or true preferably without killing anyone". People in Science know weird shit happens.

Dude we don't even fully know how Hair Dye works only that it does and vague theories on the mechanisms it interacts with hair. So yeh while the claim as I've said is likely untrue it still needs to be in the box of "Lets actually try to look into this". Not least because Vygotsky learning theory tells us that we learn best from our peers thus there should be some understanding as to why Nicki Minaj would believe said claims to have truth to them. Thus yes looking into them and providing actual evidence is far better than insulting and shaming.

Understandable but not how you framed it.But more importantly, are you saying you aren’t doing this? Your criticism is a moral one, one of rejection of these coffee drinking liberals and their so called jokes. Then are you demonstrating something better? Because no you aren’t. You are in this pit with us, a pig in the mud. You squeal and piss and shit the same as the rest of us. Perhaps there is a better way, but pissing and shitting in rage at all the pissing and shitting certainly isn’t it.

No because if I were doing the same I'd be using a lot more 4 letter words in my responses. The whole "Oh they're just jokes" from the same people who lose their shit if you make a joke at their expense, that's a joke in it's own right there. Especially when aid people are normally the "Oh you have to take these issues seriously they're no laughing matter" crowd. But apparently dealing with vaccine scepticism is a lark and a joke now? Not a hugely worrying trend that actually should see some proper attempts to address it? No but that's the high road and that's hard why do that when they can take the easy low road and hurl insults?

I can get more political cartoons if you want. There’s fucking millions of them. Or how about television, Red Skelton, truly a family friendly all American icon in his day, whose regular bits were mostly “aren’t homeless people dumb/gross?” A decade of MTV animation precedes 9/11, preceded by a decade of Rush Limbaugh, preceded by decades of Dean Martin bits, preceded by the political cartoons I brought up in the first place. When you have a country of powerless individuals raging at a society that bears no resemblance to a just one with no power to influence it but screaming into the void, what the fuck else do you expect?

Maybe be the change?

 

[Revnak]

And this is how you want it to be? No diversity of views and ideas?

No, but your whining is funny to me and I hate you.

No comment other than I'll refrain from making the obvious insulting jokes and leave people to make their own here.

See?!? This is exactly my point! You are engaging in this you liar! This is just the more self-righteous version of my own insult, with a wink and nod to pat yourself on the back for being better than me! This is all you have too! Shut the fuck up with your moralizing and just come back with a better joke!

As the same society that once suggested the sun revolved round the Earth? There is a system for evaluating scientific statements, it's called Science. Pray do tell me how many of the people calling her a moron who is being dangerous and is responsible for people dying are Scientists again who have actually studied this?

Galileo needed to provide evidence that the Earth revolves around the sun and it was resisted to a rather limited extent actually, Galileo’s house arrest and the like were more for things he said that had little to do with the Earth revolving around the sun thing, and based on the best scientific evaluation of the day it was reasonable to assume the sun revolved around the Earth due to the limited telescopes at the time. In short, Galileo is my evidence, not yours.

Are you an epidemiologist? Is Nicki? Are any of the ill-informed people regurgitating her points? No? Then the ones saying to trust the guys that did check for this kind of thing are certainly more “scientific” than the rest. At best, you could say it’s something to look into but it’s spurious and unlikely given existing data. Is that what she did? No? Shut up then.

As far as what Science is and isn't, well you clearly didn't read the Ignobels this year with the research into suspending Rhinos upside down. Science says "Ok lets figure out a way to prove the poprocks thing false or true preferably without killing anyone". People in Science know weird shit happens.

Dude we don't even fully know how Hair Dye works only that it does and vague theories on the mechanisms it interacts with hair. So yeh while the claim as I've said is likely untrue it still needs to be in the box of "Lets actually try to look into this". Not least because Vygotsky learning theory tells us that we learn best from our peers thus there should be some understanding as to why Nicki Minaj would believe said claims to have truth to them. Thus yes looking into them and providing actual evidence is far better than insulting and shaming.

Have you proven there is no teapot orbiting Saturn?!? We don’t know who built the pyramids for certain, why not aliens?!? We don’t know the vaccine won’t make my testicles explode, why not assume it will?!? The scientific approach isn’t to ignore all existing evidence and assume something that doesn’t fit the existing model at all must be true with no test to explain as much. We may not understand hair dye, but we know it doesn’t give you wings.

SCIENCE! Is. Not. Science.

No because if I were doing the same I'd be using a lot more 4 letter words in my responses. The whole "Oh they're just jokes" from the same people who lose their shit if you make a joke at their expense, that's a joke in it's own right there. Especially when aid people are normally the "Oh you have to take these issues seriously they're no laughing matter" crowd. But apparently dealing with vaccine scepticism is a lark and a joke now? Not a hugely worrying trend that actually should see some proper attempts to address it? No but that's the high road and that's hard why do that when they can take the easy low road and hurl insults?

You literally repeated the hyperbolic comparison to Maoist struggle sessions which is one of your favorite gags you fucking liar. And of course they’d get upset if they were getting made fun of, they’d be getting made fun of. And as I have almost certainly made clear, I don’t believe in anything being “too serious to make fun of,” Christ I just made a fucking Holocaust joke in this thread who do you think this is convincing? There is no fucking high road. There is the pit. We are all here. You want the high road, maybe plot a fucking destination first.

Maybe be the change?

Lol, fucking how? By just never feeling the catharsis of making fun of a total buffoon? Yes, I will accomplish the same nothing to the rest of the world I would with a joke, but without anything for myself. If the choice is between nothing for anyone or some catharsis for myself and nothing for everyone who doesn’t think I’m funny, I will choose my own catharsis. Obviously.

 

[Trunkage]

I dunno just surprised at the ongoing lack of consistency seemingly where a shirt of a joke about dongles is a problem but the cheating guy isn't been seen as an issue or playing into some stereotype.

Suprised at OUR lack of consistency. Jesus Christ

 

[AnxietyProne]

I looked




Then maybe show her information that's she's wrong rather than try and yell at her to shut up and try to insult and shame her into line?
Make her want to say "Yes I was wrong the info I've seen shows that" rather than drive her to the people willing to engage with her which will be more Anti-Vaxxer types.

I can't believe I have to explain this to a real human given the amount of times even recently that it's failed to get the desired results but insulting and shaming people doesn't get the results people want and if anything can and will get the opposite result. Worse you don't convince people to change their views just to keep quieter and only talk with people they know won't go after them but keep on the same. Thus you not only don't know who is Anti-Vaxx so you don't know who to try and convince to get it and what fears to alleviate but those who are Anti-Vaxx are probably more likely to be less trusting towards you because you can't show evidence and just chose to shame and insult people.


Yes I think it's fucking dumb that people are anti-vaxx at present but none of that was helped by the bullshit "Oh the vaccine won't be safe because the Trump administration is making it"

Scientists Worry About Political Influence Over Coronavirus Vaccine Project (Published 2020)

Operation Warp Speed has moved along at a rapid clip. But some people involved in the process fear pressure to deliver an October surprise for President Trump.

www.nytimes.com

Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus vaccine, says Trump cannot be trusted

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump's charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout.

www.reuters.com

More Than Half of Americans Worry That White House Pressure Will Lead to a Rushed Coronavirus Vaccine

A concern that White House pressure could lead the FDA to approve a vaccine before it’s safe is much more acute among Democrats.

time.com

Kamala Harris says she wouldn't trust Trump on safety of Covid vaccine before election

Democratic vice-presidential nominee told CNN she worried of potential for political interference by Trump to boost re-election

www.theguardian.com

I wonder why some people would say it's like China when on a dime the narrative shifted from "The Vaccine won't be safe Trump is rushing it" to "The vaccine is totally safe and anyone not getting it is a tool" just because of who was in office at the time.

One side played themselves very much here.

I don't blame people being skeptical when idiots were spreading claims about it being potentially unsafe on both sides one out of idiocy and the other out of politics

This is levels of whataboutism that I usually have to go to 4chan or fucking Kiwi Farms to find.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

No, but your whining is funny to me and I hate you.

Yes I get you do, thought you weirdly can't resist replying to me lol

See?!? This is exactly my point! You are engaging in this you liar! This is just the more self-righteous version of my own insult, with a wink and nod to pat yourself on the back for being better than me! This is all you have too! Shut the fuck up with your moralizing and just come back with a better joke!

I would but you being upset I'm not making cheap jokes about you balls is probably funnier than any joke I could come up with at this point.

Galileo needed to provide evidence that the Earth revolves around the sun and it was resisted to a rather limited extent actually, Galileo’s house arrest and the like were more for things he said that had little to do with the Earth revolving around the sun thing, and based on the best scientific evaluation of the day it was reasonable to assume the sun revolved around the Earth due to the limited telescopes at the time. In short, Galileo is my evidence, not yours.

And yet Science developed because people went "Ok so he thinks this lets look into it more" they didn't just dismiss his claims and laugh him out the room then go "Good thing we didn't listen to that nutter eh?"

Are you an epidemiologist? Is Nicki? Are any of the ill-informed people regurgitating her points? No? Then the ones saying to trust the guys that did check for this kind of thing are certainly more “scientific” than the rest. At best, you could say it’s something to look into but it’s spurious and unlikely given existing data. Is that what she did? No? Shut up then.

No, I could probably email 1 if you like who taught me at uni
Also epidemiologists wouldn't be much use in regards to vaccination side effects you'd want an immunologist and or a Vascular Specialist. I'd put it on the pile of "I'll believe it when I see it" (Not his balls) but heavily sceptical of the claims but I'm not willing to say it's impossible.

She didn't say that because dude's family and as I said Vygotsky's learning theories suggest people trust peer more and well a family member would be a peer so that fully explains why she trusts their claims to have something to them even if as she also said she's doing her own looking into reports and stuff so she's willing to be proven wrong it seems.

Have you proven there is no teapot orbiting Saturn?!? We don’t know who built the pyramids for certain, why not aliens?!? We don’t know the vaccine won’t make my testicles explode, why not assume it will?!? The scientific approach isn’t to ignore all existing evidence and assume something that doesn’t fit the existing model at all must be true with no test to explain as much. We may not understand hair dye, but we know it doesn’t give you wings.

SCIENCE! Is. Not. Science.

Yet part of it requires accepting the possibility it could be true even if also understanding the probability it is not.

I mean I can show you a Teapot orbiting Saturn



Yes it's not the Saturn of the real world but you thought the idea of it so ridiculous yet here it is a Teapot orbiting Saturn. It now exists as a thing even if only as a simulation and as you never specified Saturn the Planet in the real world I just gave you what you want.

You literally repeated the hyperbolic comparison to Maoist struggle sessions which is one of your favorite gags you fucking liar. And of course they’d get upset if they were getting made fun of, they’d be getting made fun of. And as I have almost certainly made clear, I don’t believe in anything being “too serious to make fun of,” Christ I just made a fucking Holocaust joke in this thread who do you think this is convincing? There is no fucking high road. There is the pit. We are all here. You want the high road, maybe plot a fucking destination first.

Are you now claiming struggle sessions didn't happen?
Because even Wikipedia disagrees with you

Struggle session - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You want a destination? Here's one. Out of this hellscape pandemic world in a way that actually will work rather than feel good but do no good shaming nonsense.

Lol, fucking how? By just never feeling the catharsis of making fun of a total buffoon? Yes, I will accomplish the same nothing to the rest of the world I would with a joke, but without anything for myself. If the choice is between nothing for anyone or some catharsis for myself and nothing for everyone who doesn’t think I’m funny, I will choose my own catharsis. Obviously.

Try sharing actual info. Try not going for the obvious feel good easy move. You'd be amazed what can be accomplished with just trying.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Suprised at OUR lack of consistency. Jesus Christ

Yes

This is levels of whataboutism that I usually have to go to 4chan or fucking Kiwi Farms to find.

It's also relevant to the present situation to explain why some-one might be sceptical still. What because they're not automatically up and in line with the latest talking point and may still be a bit behind they're the idiots when before politicians whom people were presenting as trustworthy were saying the vaccine was a risk?

I said it was stupid back then but I'm not going to condemn people for falling for the BS being peddled by people they previously thought they could trust and were claiming to be the one to trust.

 

[Revnak]

Yes I get you do, thought you weirdly can't resist replying to me lol

Because I have enjoyed making fun of you.

 

[AnxietyProne]

Yes

It's also relevant to the present situation to explain why some-one might be sceptical still. What because they're not automatically up and in line with the latest talking point and may still be a bit behind they're the idiots when before politicians whom people were presenting as trustworthy were saying the vaccine was a risk?

I said it was stupid back then but I'm not going to condemn people for falling for the BS being peddled by people they previously thought they could trust and were claiming to be the one to trust.

But you can't find it in your heart of hearts to condemn them for buying the BS that Facebook mommy groups and right wing pundits peddle, eh?

That's the thing that will forever fucking irritate me about people like you; you think that one side being not entirely trustworthy means their opposite must be 100% honest and trustworthy. Get the fuck out of here with that shit!

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

But you can't find it in your heart of hearts to condemn them for buying the BS that Facebook mommy groups and right wing pundits peddle, eh?

That's the thing that will forever fucking irritate me about people like you; you think that one side being not entirely trustworthy means their opposite must be 100% honest and trustworthy. Get the fuck out of here with that shit!

1) It was some-one in her family
2) I've known people more educated than me fall for BS before it's not right wing mommy groups that are the entirety of it. Honestly I suspect if some-one were to go down the rabbit hole to see what they could find it might show up it's a far more planned and co-ordinated effort than people seem to think going on to spread mis-information. Oh and it wasn't right win pundits doubting the safety of the vaccine this time last year.

You don't have to be 100% honest but don't have the position flip entirely just because it's politically convenient to try and go after opponents. Don't play this game of what is almost gaslighting and pretending the previous claims and statements didn't happen and anyone not up to date fully is at fault for the original lies people were spreading.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Because I have enjoyed making fun of you.

And yet I just showed you up by having a Teapot in orbit of Saturn lol

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

That's the thing that will forever fucking irritate me about people like you; you think that one side being not entirely trustworthy means their opposite must be 100% honest and trustworthy. Get the fuck out of here with that shit!

That's the final argument of the dishonest: "You aren't any better than we are, and that's why you're EVIL!"

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

That's the final argument of the dishonest: "You aren't any better than we are, and that's why you're EVIL!"

And yet "They're so awful we can't possibly be worse than them so why bother doing much to be better" is hardly the winning argument some people seem to think it is.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I dunno just surprised at the ongoing lack of consistency seemingly where a shirt of a joke about dongles is a problem but the cheating guy isn't been seen as an issue or playing into some stereotype.

"How dare you not act like the stereotypical SJWs that live in my head, you hypocrites!"

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

"How dare you not act like the stereotypical SJWs that live in my head, you hypocrites!"

The shirt and the dongle thing happened........ did people just forget this stuff or are people trying to pretend it didn't happen?

I thought this was a threat to joke about Anti-Woke stuff not to just actually act it lol

 

[AnxietyProne]

1) It was some-one in her family
2) I've known people more educated than me fall for BS before it's not right wing mommy groups that are the entirety of it. Honestly I suspect if some-one were to go down the rabbit hole to see what they could find it might show up it's a far more planned and co-ordinated effort than people seem to think going on to spread mis-information.

Get some evidence of that, and I'll consider it. Not a minute before.

Oh and it wasn't right win pundits doubting the safety of the vaccine this time last year.

And this makes the right wing correct now, HOW?!

Don't play this game of what is almost gaslighting and pretending the previous claims and statements didn't happen and anyone not up to date fully is at fault for the original lies people were spreading.

YOU SIR, are the last person with the moral position to wag a finger at anyone for gaslighting and pretending statements didn't happen. You're just like the people who point out Trump wanting to stop travel to and from China in the early days and act like that's the only statement or move he EVER made about Covid, and his multiple failed predictions and idiocy in other statements didn't happen.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Get some evidence of that, and I'll consider it. Not a minute before.

Yet it's not me you have to convince it's Nicki Minaj you have to convince that her family member is lying or wrong

And this makes the right wing correct now, HOW?!

Never said it did make the correct but shouldn't you be a little concerned about people acting at least as bad as if now worse than them?
I mean you can't even blame Trump as he's very much on record as being pro vaccine lol

YOU SIR, are the last person with the moral position to wag a finger at anyone for gaslighting and pretending statements didn't happen. You're just like the people who point out Trump wanting to stop travel to and from China in the early days and act like that's the only statement or move he EVER made about Covid, and his multiple failed predictions and idiocy in other statements didn't happen.

And that's acting to ignore Trump being on record saying he downplayed the thing deliberately to try and prevent panic and mass panic buying

 

[Hades]

And that's acting to ignore Trump being on record saying he downplayed the thing deliberately to try and prevent panic and mass panic buying

Which is absurd and self defeating. Even if we take Trump on his word on that one it still means he deliberately downplayed a dangerous virus for dubious reasons. The rest of the world didn't fly into a blind panic on hearing Covid existed. But you know what might create a panic? If there's a dangerous pandemic that everyone knows is dangerous except for the government which claims its not dangerous which in turn means they won't take steps to handle it. What also might create panic is if the citizenry are told time and again covid isn't a big deal and thus aren't careful which leads to vovid numbers spiking and giving everyone really good reasons to panic.

Even if we bizarrely enough believe Trump was acting in good faith then the entire affair still shows he's completely incompetent and should never have been given power to begin with. But its more likely that Trump was not acting in good faith and that his actions can be explained by the demagogic toolbox just not being suited for covid

Never said it did make the correct but shouldn't you be a little concerned about people acting at least as bad as if now worse than them?
I mean you can't even blame Trump as he's very much on record as being pro vaccine lol

Didn't it take some time for Trump to admit he was vacinated? Probably because he feared losing votes from it. But yeah, Trump is at least not vocally anti vax per se. But his constant demonization and undermining of any expert, virologist or doctor is a big part of the reason why people are so zealously against vaccines.

 

[Samtemdo8]

Not really a new event but this video is so good