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I dunno, just throwing this out there:

Maybe the weird nerds who claim that TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly while Ghosts is an example of woke being done correctly is technically true?

TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly, as it isn't woke. Like how a banana is a very shitty apple, cats make terrible dogs, fish don't fly for shit, etc...

Because the game isn't actually woke the weird nerds are down to complaining about the gays, the transes, and the buff lady. Superficialities That Don't Actually Matter, We Swear, But Is All We Talk About. Which makes them look like they're bigots who hate those three things, because they come from the YouTube comments section school of argumentation. They can't just say "game isn't actually woke, it just has a gay" or whatever, they've already decided The Game Is Woke so they've got to attack the only marginally woke-if-you-squint aspects of it.

Like, if Abby was Abel, Ellie had a boyfriend, and trans kid was cis, fuck all about the game would actually change. It just wouldn't be "woke" anymore. The weird nerds wouldn't have anything to make hundreds of hours of YouTube content over.
 
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And then because she doesn't fit THEIR fappable parameters, proclaiming her as a very particular sexual fetish fantasy for very particular perverts named Neil, because she couldn't possibly just be the result of a particular narrative vision in telling a story.
Proclaiming that isn't too weird, I'm sure Druckmann has a thing for buff chicks (Nadine in Uncharted 4). It's just that using it as some sort of gotcha is really fucking silly. 'Hah ha see, Druckmann likes muscled woman.' Yeah, and? 'Well, that means he's a cuck SJW just cuz.' Nearly all game developers insert their fetishes in their character designs. You could criticize Druckmann for not being honest about it, but that's not what all the criticism was about. It was about them finding Abby ugly and instead of just saying that hiding behind some bullshit reasoning of her physique not being realistic.

It was the same with this crowd not finding any of the women in the game hot enough, and then claiming Druckmann made the artists design them that way. (I still can't get over the fact that someone on these forums argued Dina was made to look intentionally more masculine, because her tits were slightly smaller then those of her face model.) And it was like 'See, Druckmann is bad man for doing that.' Apparently forgetting that he's the creative director, so yeah, he gets the final say. Meanwhile Ghost of Tsushima had all the women look like miserable peasants (perfectly fitting the setting just like TLoU2), which none of these people said anything about because by then Ghost was crowned the anti-TLoU2 put on this earth to fight the SJW-devils. And no, pointing out historical inaccuracies in Ghost of Tsushima was not the woke mob going after it, for Christ's sake.

I dunno, just throwing this out there:

Maybe the weird nerds who claim that TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly while Ghosts is an example of woke being done correctly is technically true?

Because TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly, because it isn't woke. Like how a banana is a very shitty apple. Cats make terrible dogs. Fish don't fly for shit, etc.
Well, it certainly tried to be woke when it came to Lev... and then made it all about how traumatic it is being trans, which yikes Naughty Dog. Maybe next time you include trans characters actually give them some scenes that shows them enjoying/celebrating who they are, since I think that's kinda a big thing for the trans community. They really fumbled that one.
 
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I dunno, just throwing this out there:

Maybe the weird nerds who claim that TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly while Ghosts is an example of woke being done correctly is technically true?

TLoU2 is an example of woke being done badly, as it isn't woke. Like how a banana is a very shitty apple, cats make terrible dogs, fish don't fly for shit, etc...

Because the game isn't actually woke the weird nerds are down to complaining about the gays, the transes, and the buff lady. Superficialities That Don't Actually Matter, We Swear, But Is All We Talk About. Which makes them look like they're bigots who hate those three things, because they come from the YouTube comments section school of argumentation. They can't just say "game isn't actually woke, it just has a gay" or whatever, they've already decided The Game Is Woke so they've got to attack the only marginally woke-if-you-squint aspects of it.

Like, if Abby was Abel, Ellie had a boyfriend, and trans kid was cis, fuck all about the game would actually change. It just wouldn't be "woke" anymore. The weird nerds wouldn't have anything to make hundreds of hours of YouTube content over.
I don't think Ghost of Tsushima is woke at all, it's a good game. It's just a Kurosawa film inspired samurai story. Those were always pretty progressive for their time, he was a very big critic of ww2 and Japan's acts in it after all.



You can be progressive without being woke, there's other facets of existence that progress can be made on. It's not all tethered together so you have to pull every rope to move forward. Sometimes even just one rope being pulled still moves us forward just as well.
 

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I don't think Ghost of Tsushima is woke at all, it's a good game. It's just a Kurosawa film inspired samurai story. Those were always pretty progressive for their time, he was a very big critic of ww2 and Japan's acts in it after all.



You can be progressive without being woke, there's other facets of existence that progress can be made on. It's not all tethered together so you have to pull every rope to move forward. Sometimes even just one rope being pulled still moves us forward just as well.
I suppose where ''progressiveness'' ends and ''woke'' begins is subjective. However you can't prop up a thoroughly left leaning story as the ultimate champion of the apolitical game that just wants to be fun. Even if we were to argue that Ghost is merely progressive then promoting something progressive as the ''cure'' to woke is just silly.

Also it doesn't really work because the ones claiming these mostly aren't progressive either. They're almost all on the right, if not the alt right.
 

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I don't think Ghost of Tsushima is woke at all


Anyway, ppl still mad about TLou2 is a waste of energy even entertaining.

Talking of entertaining, the racist anti-vaxx womble resurfaces once more to shake his old man colonial stick at the younguns


Eric Clapton teamed up with anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to bemoan Covid-19 mandates and Rolling Stone’s scathing articles about him in his first interview in a while — outside of statements posted to Telegram.

Posted last week on Kennedy’s The Defender site, the interview features Clapton talking about how the last few years have been a “buzzsaw” for him, both from a commercial standpoint as well as personally.

“Over the last year, there’s been a lot of disappearing, a lot of dust around with people moving away quite quickly, and it does kind of refine the kind of friendships I have,” he said. “It’s been difficult these last couple of years, especially with mainstream media turning. I had been inspired by Van [Morrison] because he came straight out and his reasoning was, ‘We have to make music for people.’ He’s a crusader, he sees it as his calling. And I thought, ‘That’s right, people are not really acquainted with the idea that this is as important in their healing as any kind of medicine. The whole community thing of people with being together with music.'”

The resulting track was “Stand and Deliver,” the first in a now-series of Clapton tunes that condemn mandates, lockdowns, and other pandemic-era precautions.

“I got so much flak straight away from people right close to me, friends, and associates, and family, who said, ‘You can’t do that,’ Clapton said of that initial Morrison collaboration. “And I couldn’t see what was so dangerous about it or risky, and especially since it was targeted at the U.K. government.”

Clapton added that he has since collaborated with recent tourmate Jimmie Vaughan on that guitarist’s “Down With Big Brother,” a song about people being microchipped by the government; although that Vaughan-written track predates the Covid-19 pandemic, Clapton found similarities with our present situation.

While Clapton says he’s talked about his mandate stance and Covid experience on networking sites like Telegram, the Kennedy conversation marks his first widely available interview on the subject of Covid, as well as his first since Rolling Stone’s article about his support of the anti-lockdown movement and his insistence that his U.S. tour only play concerts in venues unencumbered by masks and vaccination checks.

“When I realized that there was a parting of the ways, it only made me determined. To come up to date with the new Rolling Stone kind of slur campaign, it becomes a compliment when it’s coming from certain areas of the media. It’s just an affirmation to me that I’ve been doing the right thing,” Clapton said.

“I don’t know who these people are and why they’re picking on me. There’s a grudge there.” Clapton added that Rolling Stone also “helped break up Cream,” citing his reaction to a 1968 article penned by future Bruce Springsteen manager Jon Landau that “debunked” Clapton and made him feel like “a charlatan.”

Following the string of anti-mandate tracks, Rolling Stone detailed Clapton’s descent from just speaking about his vaccine skepticism to actually bankrolling it. The article also delved into Clapton’s politics, which the guitarist has rarely spoken about publicly but has crept up occasionally in unfortunate ways, including the infamous 1976 Birmingham concert where Clapton delivered a “full-tilt racist” rant.

Kennedy — who complained that Rolling Stone took down the 2005 article he wrote for the magazine about vaccinations, something that happened a decade ago — and Clapton also discussed vaccinations, as well as Clapton’s own adverse reaction upon being vaccinated.

“The uncertainty surrounding this thing has been mammoth. I think everybody I know has got, what do they call it? CAS [Covid Anxiety Syndrome], everybody I know is unsettled about it,” Clapton said. “And for me, it was heightened by the fact that I had these adverse reactions. The lifesaving part of it was I’d found a group of people who were inviting me to talk about it because I couldn’t talk about it anywhere. As you said, there was nobody listening, and it was very, very difficult to know what to do or how to, you know — I thought I was going crazy.”

Despite the hit his reputation has taken over the past 18 months, Clapton vowed to keep fighting the anti-mandate fight. “It’s funny, because they can say stuff about me, but I actually haven’t felt physical opposition,” Clapton said. “I’ve felt more support as a result of this than I ever did before about anything.”
 

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In June, three Florida prison guards who boasted of being white supremacists beat, pepper sprayed and used a stun gun on an inmate who screamed “I can’t breathe!” at a prison near the Alabama border, according to a fellow inmate who reported it to the state.

The next day, the officers at Jackson Correctional Institution did it again to another inmate, the report filed with the Florida Department of Corrections’ Office of Inspector General stated.

“If you notice these two incidents were people of color. They (the guards) let it be known they are white supremacist,” the inmate Jamaal Reynolds wrote. “The Black officers and white officers don’t even mingle with each other. Every day they create a hostile environment trying to provoke us so they can have a reason to put their hands on us.”


Both incidents occurred in view of surveillance cameras, he said. Reynolds’ neatly printed letter included the exact times and locations and named the officers and inmates. It’s the type of specific information that would have made it easier for officials to determine if the reports were legitimate. But the inspector general’s office did not investigate, corrections spokeswoman Molly Best said. Best did not provide further explanation, and the department hasn’t responded to The Associated Press’ August public records requests for the videos.

Some Florida prison guards openly tout associations with white supremacist groups to intimidate inmates and Black colleagues, a persistent practice that often goes unpunished, according to allegations in public documents and interviews with a dozen inmates and current and former employees in the nation’s third-largest prison system. Corrections officials regularly receive reports about guards’ membership in the Ku Klux Klan and criminal gangs, according to former prison inspectors, and current and former officers.

Still, few such cases are thoroughly investigated by state prison inspectors; many are downplayed by officers charged with policing their own or discarded as too complicated to pursue.

“I’ve visited more than 50 (prison) facilities and have seen that this is a pervasive problem that is not going away,” said Democratic Florida state Rep. Dianne Hart. “It’s partly due to our political climate. But, those who work in our prisons don’t seem to fear people knowing that they’re white supremacists.”


The people AP talked to, who live and work inside Florida’s prison system, describe it as chronically understaffed and nearly out of control. In 2017, three current and former Florida guards who were Ku Klux Klan members were convicted after the FBI caught them planning a Black former inmate’s murder.

This summer, one guard allowed 20-30 members of a white supremacist inmate group to meet openly inside a Florida prison. A Black officer happened upon the meeting, they told The AP, and later confronted the colleague who allowed it. The officer said their incident report about the meeting went nowhere, and the guard who allowed it was not punished.

The officer spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not cleared to discuss official prison business. They told The AP that, after the report went nowhere, they did not feel safe at work and are seeking to leave.

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Officers who want to blow the whistle on colleagues are often ostracized and labeled a “snitch,” according to current and former officers.

Mark Caruso, a former sergeant with Florida corrections who was twice fired and reinstated after blowing the whistle on fellow officers, described the department as a “good old boy” network.

He said that senior officers-in-charge have the power to censor any allegations of corrupt behavior that occurs on their watch. This keeps reports inside prison walls.

Caruso worked at three prisons in central Florida and reported inmate beatings and officer misconduct multiple times. Being a whistleblower did not work out well for him. He was fired after reporting on a colleague at the first prison where he worked as a sergeant, he said.

He was reinstated after the officers’ union challenged the firing, and he moved to a new prison. There, he again reported an officer’s use of force and was later fired and reinstated after the union challenged it again.


In 2019, he reported for duty at another new post, the Central Florida Reception Center. He was soon greeted with signs on an employee bulletin board where his name had been crossed out and “SNITCH” scrawled instead, according to testimony at a union grievance hearing. Another officer spit on his car windshield, he said.

Despite the intimidation, Caruso continued reporting inmate abuse and other illegal activity by fellow officers.

“I have reported people when physically seeing them abuse inmates,” he testified in another grievance hearing earlier this year. The AP obtained video of the hearing at which multiple officers and leadership testified in detail about the system’s reporting structure and culture.

Corrections officers are required to file “incident reports” if they see a co-worker acting inappropriately. In some Florida prisons, supervisors often tell them not to email the reports, according to officers who testified at Caruso’s hearing. Instead, they’re told to tell their supervisor verbally what happened or write it longhand. A superior officer then types it up, choosing the language and framing the event.

A sergeant testified that the reason he typed up his officers’ incident reports was because most struggle with writing. Also, most do not have computer access at the prison.

Caruso said he refused to report incidents of corruption verbally because it left no record, and he worried that prison leadership would censor his reports. So he emailed them to create an electronic record, a decision that, he says, irked prison leadership.

After seeing his reports go nowhere, he finally went over his superior officers’ heads. Caruso made contact with an investigator in the Office of Inspector General and emailed Florida Corrections Secretary Mark Inch directly. Inch responded to him expressing concern, Caruso said, and referred the matter to the IG’s office. That did not end well, either.

“For at least two years I reported to (the IG’s office) all of the corruption I saw. He didn’t respond or follow up,” Caruso said of the inspector general’s investigator.

Caruso was eventually fired again after officials said he’d failed to report an inmate beating — one Caruso said he did not actually witness. It was a baffling charge given his active campaign of reporting others throughout his corrections career. He claimed, unsuccessfully this time, that the firing was retaliation.

If the inspector general were motivated to aggressively investigate reports of abuse by white supremacists or other gang members working as correctional officers he would face barriers, the former investigators told AP.

That’s because state law limits the use of inmates as confidential informants, they said, and guards are reluctant or afraid to snitch on their colleagues.

For an inmate to act as an informant, the FBI would have to take over the case because Florida law limits the inspector general’s office’s interactions with inmates, the former investigators said. “We don’t have the authority to do anything,” one said.

Officers, meantime, fear retaliation.

“Officers are saying their colleagues are members, but they can have me killed,” one former investigator said.

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After the three guards in Florida were captured on FBI recordings plotting a Black inmate’s murder upon his release, Florida corrections spokeswoman Michelle Glady insisted there was no indication of a wider problem of white supremacists working in the prisons, so the state would not investigate further.

After the statement, an AP reporter in April visited the employee parking lot of one facility in the state’s rural north and photographed cars and trucks adorned with symbols and stickers that are often associated with the white supremacist movement: Confederate flags, Q-Anon and Thin Blue Line images.

Florida has grappled with this issue for decades. In the early 2000s, the corrections department was forced by a St. Petersburg Times expose to investigate a clique of racist guards who all carried rope keychains with a noose. The Times reported that the noose keychains were used to signal a racist officer who was willing to inflict pain, particularly on Black inmates.

The state investigated the keychains and complaints from Black guards of workplace discrimination. Department inspectors interviewed the white guards who were known to carry the noose keychains and eventually cleared them all.

“This is a pattern all over the country,” said Paul Wright, a former inmate who co-founded the prisoner-rights publication Prison Legal News. Wright helped expose Ku Klux Klan members working in a Washington state prison in the 1990s. He and Prison Legal News have since reported cases of Nazis and klan members working as correctional officers in California, New York, Texas, Illinois and many other states.

“There’s an institutional acceptance of this type of racism,” Wright said. “What’s striking about this is that so many of them keep their jobs.”

Most state prisons and police departments throughout the U.S. do very little background checking to see if new hires have extremist views, said Greg Ehrie, former chief of the FBI’s New York domestic terrorism squad, who now works with the Anti-Defamation League.

“There are 513 police agencies in New Jersey, and not one bans being part of outlaw motorcycle gangs. A prison guard who is the patched member of the Pagans, he can be out about it and tell you about it (with no punishment) because it’s not stipulated in the employment contract,” Ehrie said. The ADL lists the Pagans among biker gangs with white supremacist group affiliations.

This dynamic can lead to what the former Florida prison investigator described as “criminals watching over criminals.”

“If you have a heartbeat, a GED and no felony conviction you can get a job. That’s sad,” said Caruso, the former Florida correctional sergeant.

Florida state Rep. Hart and Caruso have called for a thorough investigation of the issue and a federal takeover of the prison system.

The FBI said it would neither confirm nor deny if such an investigation had been launched, but Ehrie said it is likely.

“I would be extremely surprised if this wasn’t an open bureau investigation,” he said of Florida’s prison system. “It’s almost impossible that they’re not investigating.”

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Meanwhile, reports of racist behavior by correctional officers continue, according to inmates and current and former Florida corrections employees.

In late September, at another Panhandle prison, a 25-year-old Black inmate reported being beaten by a white officer who said “You’re lucky I didn’t have my spray on me, cuz I would gas yo Black ass.” The inmate’s lip was split open and his face swollen.

The inmate’s family requested anonymity for fear of retaliation.

His mother reported the incident to the Inspector General’s office on Oct. 1 and requested a wellness check on him. The office sent an investigator to the facility to interview her son, according to emails provided by the family.

After the interview, the IG refused to investigate the officer’s conduct. The mother was told it was her son’s word versus the officer’s, and there was nothing they could do. The IG’s office referred the matter instead to the prison warden.

The officer continued working in the inmate’s dorm and threatened him, the inmate said in letters home.

“All them is a click (sic), a gang. Ya feel me, they all work together,” the inmate wrote in October. For weeks, he sent desperate letters saying he was still being terrorized. He urged his mother to continue fighting.

“Don’t let up Mom. This has extremely messed up my mental. Got me shell shock, feel less of a man, violated ya feel me? But I love you.”

She eventually helped him get transferred in early November to a facility with a reputation for being even more lawless and brutal, according to the family and a current officer. He is four years into a 12-year sentence for attempted robbery with a gun or deadly weapon.

“I do look forward to seeing my son one day and I can only pray,” the mother told AP. “I’m overwhelmed, tired and doing my best to hold on for my son’s sake.”
 

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Funny how these people didn't care about realism then, but they suddenly do when it comes to a woman not being fappable enough for them.
And many these butt-fucks are the same guys that defended the stupid argument during the 7th generation about how women on the cover of AAA game "doesn't sell" (unless its T&A). Or how FPS games are future and need be COD clones or more "realistic" to make money. I.E. be a military shooter with cover and a two weapon limit. The same alpha wannabe, alt-right dick suckers that claim blacks fighting in WWI and WWII is "inaccurate" to history and "insults" those who fought and died in those wars. You're the disrespectful ones and insult to history you jackasses. Just because you get your second and third hand information from Hollywood does not make you a historical genius you dumb fucks. When I last checked, Hollywood nor the AAA gaming industry don't have the full knowledge nor history of every single thing that went down in those wars, nor have the final say so.
 
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Well they generally don't do it in reviews now they're not that dumb and after showing that such approaches harm things I'd imagine words have been said by companies about not doing it and you know for example not writing articles shaming a well known youtuber for saying they won't go to see the newest film in a franchise and accusing them of being a hateful monster for refusing to pay Sony money.
That kinda sounds like ''god works in mysterious ways'' in the sense that we have an alleged goal, the actions of the press not at all supporting this goal but us still being required to believe its all part of some plan

Yeh but the issue is you don't see anywhere near the same kind of criticism in regards to titles like TLOU2 that get seemingly deemed as approved and criticism towards it faces people trying to shut it down.

I mean The stabbing a pregnant character, the rather brutally beating a black woman, the fact it really does have some kinda weird sex scenes and how so talk of crunch vanished. Also the fact Abby may well be Neil Druckman fetish material kinda like Tarantino and feet shots only kinda even more overt if you know some of the stuff so it comes off kinda really creepy that you're basically playing as Neil Druckman's fetish fulfilment character......
Actually I'd say the anti woke crowd had it out for that game since the very beginning. From the moment two woman kissed in the trailer. And you also see very little legit critisism. There's not enough critisism about the story being bog standard and generic or that its trying to spread a message about two decades too late. Instead you got nonsense about it supposedly being woke propaganda despite its core message being apolitical and generic.

Also I recall that Yoko Taro was celebrated when he explained 2b with the phrase ''I just like cute girls'' so I'm not really convinced that Druckman's personal tastes should matter very much. There might also be some demonization of Druckman going on. I recall rumors of the sex scene only being there because he had a creepy crush on Laura Bailey and wanted her to mocap it for instance.

Or the Anti-Woke crowd just hate wokeness because it's hollow and are fine with actually progressive themes and ideas?
Probably not because most of the big names against ''wokeness'' aren't very progressive either and see the horror of wokeness in every shadow.

Luke is a washed up old hobo whose only able to be useful by dying. Rey is the best character ever more powerful than any other character, more capable than almost any other character. It's the weird taking a stand to try and prove something. It's America Chavez was actually the one who punched Hitler and racism caused history to remember it as Captain America kind of moment. It's why people aren't fans of Rey but like Ahsoka Tano because they've tried to make her powerful in her own right not trying to make her better than all the rest and super awesome.

The meta message as such is "Old men you time is over step aside and just die as that's the most you can do to help save the day now". It's stupid but that's how it goes it's really annoying and hollow kind of messaging that just seems to want to get certain people going "Har boo to you suck it". Like imagine if in The Last Jedi, Luke grabbed the lightsaber and went out just full on fighting. I dunno fly an X-wing / craft at the Empire jump out cut into the AT-AT start fighting his way through cutting through waves of storm troopers and ended up going down in a blaze of glory, it would hit very different because it comes off as going "Yes this character really is fucking awesome".
I'm not at all a fan of Luke's character in TLJ but I don't think that's an accurate read on event.

Luke is convinced that the world no longer needs him or the Jedi, and the movie is as crystal clear as can be that he's wrong. And the point of Rey can't really be ''you go girl! Girl power for da wiiin!'' when she spends most of the movies desperately craving for a father figure which she never really grows out of.
 

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yeh but again, apocalypse. Even with food etc sorted the group Abby is with still wouldn't exactly be able to provide her with a body builder diet it would be more standard ration meal stuff so either everyone would be Abby level buff or they'd be putting on weight far more noticeably.

Also the argument was pushed that Abby was totally realistic, if people had said "Ok yeh she's not realistic" then people would have basically had to go "Ok then glad you admit it"
Gears of War takes place during the apocalypse too and I've heard no one complain how every male there is build like a truck.

Now sure. Expended universe stuff says that Gears get about all the food while everyone else starves, but if most people shouting about Abby tell me they've read the Gears expanded universe then I kinda wouldn't believe them. And like Phoenix Abby belongs to the soldier class so if them being soldiers explains why Phoenix and co get fed during the apocalypse then it should go for Abby too.
 
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There might also be some demonization of Druckman going on.
That's an understatement if there ever was one.

I recall rumors of the sex scene only being there because he had a creepy crush on Laura Bailey and wanted her to mocap it for instance.
That and him modelling himself in the game to spit on Joel's corpse, and that Amy Henning wrote the first game and he stole her work. Now Druckmann is kinda a pretentious douche who helmed a production that saw people suffer under major crunch, but the amount of bullshit the gaming community was fabricating about him just to keep the hate train going was... well, I wanna say surprising, but it wasn't really.
 
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I suppose where ''progressiveness'' ends and ''woke'' begins is subjective. However you can't prop up a thoroughly left leaning story as the ultimate champion of the apolitical game that just wants to be fun. Even if we were to argue that Ghost is merely progressive then promoting something progressive as the ''cure'' to woke is just silly.

Also it doesn't really work because the ones claiming these mostly aren't progressive either. They're almost all on the right, if not the alt right.
It's not as much a cure for it rather it's the way to do it right. Not the first one either for sure. Take Trails of Cold Steel for example, it's a game that deals with heavy classism and politics involving that, including a central party member who is basically a literal SJW with regards to class at the start of the story (refuses to tolerate nobility at all and treats them all as complicit to the system that is producing bad results), but by having the protagonist be a noble who was adopted into nobility and is of commoner blood they let the player see everyone's perspectives and while the evil guys are all ultimately the nobles (hence the game is progressive in opposing classist structures), they don't make the mistake of treating all nobles as evil just because all of the evil guys are nobles. In fact mostly everyone is good, and that is the key fact to keep in mind here. Most people of all stripes are good, and some may be mislead (or cursed by an evil god) into hateful conduct despite their goodness. Tossing the baby out with the bathwater is always unwise.
 

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Well, it certainly tried to be woke when it came to Lev... and then made it all about how traumatic it is being trans, which yikes Naughty Dog. Maybe next time you include trans characters actually give them some scenes that shows them enjoying/celebrating who they are, since I think that's kinda a big thing for the trans community. They really fumbled that one.
Kinda what I mean, actually. If that's woke propaganda, it's shit at it.

But the weird nerds complain about Lev existing, not that the story is bog-standard trauma fare
 
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'Hah ha see, Druckmann likes muscled woman.' Yeah, and? 'Well, that means he's a cuck SJW just cuz.'
"Women are supposed to be weak so men can win them like prizes for being awesome and strong!"


Republicans do love their safe spaces, don't they? Snowflakes.
So much for that "no censorship" angle.
 

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Not sure how many times these newfound aggressive antidemocratic tactics need to be reported before anyone in power actually starts to take this shit seriously.

Republicans in Wisconsin are engaged in an all-out assault on the state’s election system, building off their attempts to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential race by pressing to give themselves full control over voting in the state.

The Republican effort — broader and more forceful than that in any other state where allies of former President Donald J. Trump are trying to overhaul elections — takes direct aim at the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission, an agency Republicans created half a decade ago that has been under attack since the chaotic aftermath of last year’s election.

The onslaught picked up late last month after a long-awaited report on the 2020 results that was ordered by Republican state legislators found no evidence of fraud but made dozens of suggestions for the election commission and the G.O.P.-led Legislature, fueling Republican demands for more control of elections.

Then the Trump-aligned sheriff of Racine County, the state’s fifth most populous county, recommended felony charges against five of the six members of the election commission for guidance they had given to municipal clerks early in the pandemic. The Republican majority leader of the State Senate later seemed to give a green light to that proposal, saying that “prosecutors around the state” should determine whether to bring charges.

And last week, Senator Ron Johnson, a Republican, said that G.O.P. state lawmakers should unilaterally assert control of federal elections, claiming that they had the authority to do so even if Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, stood in their way — an extraordinary legal argument debunked by a 1932 Supreme Court decision and a 1964 ruling from the Wisconsin Supreme Court. His suggestion was nonetheless echoed by Michael Gableman, a conservative former State Supreme Court justice who is conducting the Legislature’s election inquiry.

Republican control of Wisconsin elections is necessary, Mr. Johnson said in an interview on Wednesday, because he believes Democrats cheat.

“Do I expect Democrats to follow the rules?” said the senator, who over the past year has promoted fringe theories on topics like the Capitol riot and Covid vaccines. “Unfortunately, I probably don’t expect them to follow the rules. And other people don’t either, and that’s the problem.”

The uproar over election administration in Wisconsin — where the last two presidential contests have been decided by fewer than 23,000 votes each — is heightened by the state’s deep divisions and its pivotal place in American politics.

Some top Republican officials in Wisconsin privately acknowledge that their colleagues are playing to the party’s base by calling for state election officials to be charged with felonies or for their authority to be usurped by lawmakers.

Adding to the uncertainty, Mr. Johnson’s proposal has not yet been written into legislation in Madison. Mr. Evers has vowed to stop it.

“The outrageous statements and ideas Wisconsin Republicans have embraced aren’t about making our elections stronger, they’re about making it more difficult for people to participate in the democratic process,” Mr. Evers said Thursday. The G.O.P.’s election proposals, he added, “are nothing more than a partisan power grab.”

Yet there is no guarantee that the Republican push will fall short legally or politically. The party’s lawmakers in other states have made similar moves to gain more control over election apparatus. And since the G.O.P. won control of the Wisconsin Legislature in 2010, the state has served as an incubator for conservative ideas exported to other places.

“In Wisconsin we’re heading toward a showdown over the meaning of the clause that says state legislatures should set the time, manner and place of elections,” said Kevin J. Kennedy, who spent 34 years as Wisconsin’s chief election officer before Republicans eliminated his agency and replaced it with the elections commission in 2016. “If not in Wisconsin, in some other state they’re going to push this and try to get a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on this.”

Next year, Wisconsin will host critical elections for Mr. Johnson’s Senate seat and for statewide offices, including the governor. Rebecca Kleefisch, the leading Republican in the race to challenge Mr. Evers, is running on a platform of eliminating the state election commission. (On Monday, she filed a lawsuit against the agency asking the Wisconsin Supreme Court to declare that the commission’s guidance violates state law.)

The Republican anger at the Wisconsin Elections Commission, a body of three Democrats and three Republicans that G.O.P. lawmakers created in part to eliminate the investigatory powers of its predecessor agency, comes nearly 20 months after commissioners issued guidance to local election clerks on how to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Republicans have seized in particular on a March 2020 commission vote lifting a rule that required special voting deputies — trained and dispatched by municipal clerks’ offices — to visit nursing homes twice before issuing absentee ballots to residents. The special voting deputies, like most other visitors, were barred from entering nursing homes early in the pandemic, and the commission reasoned that there was not enough time before the April primary election to require them to be turned away before mailing absentee ballots.

The vote was relatively uncontroversial at the time: No lawsuits from Republicans or anyone else challenged the guidance. The procedure remained in place for the general election in November.

But after Joseph R. Biden Jr. won Wisconsin by 20,682 votes out of 3.3 million cast, Republicans began making evidence-free claims of fraudulent votes cast from nursing homes across the state. Sheriff Christopher Schmaling of Racine County said the five state election commissioners who had voted to allow clerks to mail absentee ballots to nursing homes without the visit by special voting deputies — as is prescribed by state law — should face felony charges for election fraud and misconduct in office.

Robin Vos, the Republican speaker of the State Assembly, who represents Racine County, quickly concurred, saying that the five commissioners — including his own appointee to the panel — should “probably” face felony charges.

The commissioners have insisted they broke no laws.

Ann Jacobs, a Democrat who is the commission’s chairwoman, said she had no regrets about making voting easier during the pandemic and added that “even my Republican colleagues” were afraid about the future of fair elections in the state.

“We did everything we could during the pandemic to help people vote,” she said.

Mr. Johnson — a two-term senator who said he would announce a decision on whether to seek re-election “in the next few weeks” — is lobbying Republican state legislators, with whom he met last week at the State Capitol, to take over federal elections.

“The State Legislature has to reassert its constitutional role, assert its constitutional responsibility, to set the times, place and manner of the election, not continue to outsource it through the Wisconsin Elections Commission,” Mr. Johnson said. “The Constitution never mentions a governor.”

Mr. Johnson acknowledged that his proposal could leave the state with dueling sets of election regulations, one from the Wisconsin Elections Commission and another from the Legislature.

“I suppose some counties will handle it one way and other counties will handle it another,” he said.

Trump’s Bid to Subvert the Election
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A monthslong campaign. During his last days in office, President Donald J. Trump and his allies undertook an increasingly urgent effort to undermine the election results. That wide-ranging campaign included perpetuating false and thoroughly debunked claims of election fraud as well as pressing government officials for help.

Baseless claims of voter fraud. Although Mr. Trump’s allegations of a stolen election have died in the courts and election officials of both parties from every state have said there is no evidence of fraud, Republicans across the country continued to spread conspiracy theories. Those include 147 House Republicans who voted against certifying the election.

Intervention at the Justice Department. Rebuffed by ranking Republicans and cabinet officials like Attorney General William P. Barr, who stepped down weeks before his tenure was to end, Mr. Trump sought other avenues to peddle his unfounded claims. In a bid to advance his personal agenda, Mr. Trump plotted to oust the acting attorney general and pressed top officials to declare that the election was corrupt. His chief of staff pushed the department to investigate an array of outlandish and unfounded conspiracy theories that held that Mr. Trump had been the victor.

Pressuring state officials to “find votes.” In a taped call, Mr. Trump urged Georgia’s secretary of state to “find 11,780 votes” to overturn the presidential election and vaguely warned of a “criminal offense.” And he twice tried to talk with a leader of Arizona’s Republican party in a bid to reverse Joseph R. Biden’s narrow victory there.

Contesting Congress’s electoral tally on Jan. 6. As the president continued to refuse to concede the election, his most loyal backers proclaimed Jan. 6, when Congress convened to formalize Mr. Biden's electoral victory, as a day of reckoning. On that day, Mr. Trump delivered an incendiary speech to thousands of his supporters hours before a mob of loyalists violently stormed the Capitol.

Partisan election reviews. Since leaving office, Mr. Trump and his loyalists have embraced partisan reviews of the 2020 election. In Arizona, a criticized Republican review of the results in the state’s largest county failed to support Mr. Trump’s false claims of fraud. Despite that, the so-called Stop the Steal movement appears to be racing forward as more G.O.P. politicians announce Arizona-style reviews in other states.

Even if Republican lawmakers adopted Mr. Johnson’s proposal, it would apply only to federal elections, not those for state office.

Mr. Vos told reporters in Madison he had not studied whether Wisconsin legislators could take control of federal elections without the governor’s input. Devin LeMahieu, a Republican who is the State Senate majority leader, has expressed doubts about Mr. Johnson’s legal theory.

The state’s grass-roots conservatives remain angry about Mr. Biden’s victory and the failure of Republicans to undertake an Arizona-style review of ballots cast in Wisconsin last year. At least 10 Republican state lawmakers have called for the resignation of Meagan Wolfe, the commission’s nonpartisan administrator, or of the election commissioners, according to The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

If Ms. Wolfe were to resign, her replacement would require a majority vote of the evenly split commission. If it could not reach agreement in 45 days, the State Senate, controlled by Republicans, would choose.

“The current director of W.E.C. needs to step down,” State Senator Duey Stroebel, a Republican who sits on his chamber’s elections committee, said in an interview. “Maybe we give it another try with the W.E.C., but this administrator has proved to be incompetent and not always willing to follow the law.”

Ms. Wolfe said on Thursday that Republicans’ goal was “to pressure nonpartisan election administrators like me into resigning or vacating the election space so we can be replaced by political actors who can be convinced to carry out a partisan mission.”

At the same time, some Wisconsin Republicans continue to challenge the 2020 outcome.

On Wednesday, Timothy S. Ramthun, a Republican member of the State Assembly, formally proposed decertifying Wisconsin’s election results, reclaiming the state’s “10 fraudulent electoral ballots” cast for Mr. Biden and conducting “a full forensic physical and cyber audit” of the election.

Anticipating Mr. Ramthun’s proposal, the Legislature’s lawyers issued a report on Nov. 1 stating that there was “no mechanism” under the law to reverse a certified election.

“I invite you to see it from the eyes of the people,” Mr. Ramthun wrote to fellow legislators, urging them to correct “the most egregious injustice we have seen in our time.”

The next day, Mr. Trump publicly congratulated Mr. Ramthun.

Wisconsin Democrats, exasperated and locked out of power in the Legislature, have been left to issue increasingly dire warnings.

“If this was some kind of Hollywood farce or a madcap political comedy, you would say that’s not credible even for a fake show,” said Kelda Roys, a Democratic state senator. “There’s real consequences to this. It’s designed to take away the guardrails to our democracy that keep us fair and free.”