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[CriticalGaming]

If I may put words in Brawlman's mouth, I don't think he's angry because he's having to pay more for games he wants, given his interests and what he's said before, I think most games he's interested in aren't the ones seeing the price hike. His actual issue is one of principles; not only are AAA games getting bloated with unnecessary things but now the people making them are going to increase the price. "Why should people have to pay more to make up for the cost of things that aren't improving the experience much or at all?" Is what I believe is his issue here. Sorry if I've interpreted you wrong though Brawlman.

Yeah but how can someone who doesn't really play AAA games quantify that.

Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a fantastic game with no microstranactions, no extra monetization and the $70 version on PC comes with the $20 DLC story they added a year later, plus obvious Pc improvements and mod potential.

What is the argument against games being bigger and better than ever before. Mortal Kombat 3 was $70 in 1997 and MK 11 with MUCH MUCH More is also $70. So what's the cost/value ratio? There has to be some acceptance. Games went from 50 in the PS2 generation to 60 in the PS3 and now TWO generations later we are going to $70. That's not that bad, and considering most games are dozens if not hundreds of hours of game for that price, I just don't see the problem honestly. It's hate against the coorporation for the sake of it.

I can't even see a movie for less than $30 these days. Everything has gone up in price and video games are the smallest increase tbh.

 

[BrawlMan]

Well as i have been telling people on Reddit who are complaining about this:

Nobody NEEDS a game day 1. If you disagree with the price just wait for a sale, or hell on pc you can aqquire it "other ways" if you really don't feel like you should give money to scum companies.

I never said I need a game day one. Other than that, people still have the right to complain andvoice their displeasure about it. We have a pretty big point. I can assure you that about 100% of these games I will never pay full price for. Even at half off, a majority of them aren't worth it since most of these games come and show prices anyway. I don't buy into the scams. I'm always sticking with AA and indie, unless said otherwise.

 

[BrawlMan]

If I may put words in Brawlman's mouth, I don't think he's angry because he's having to pay more for games he wants, given his interests and what he's said before, I think most games he's interested in aren't the ones seeing the price hike. His actual issue is one of principles; not only are AAA games getting bloated with unnecessary things but now the people making them are going to increase the price. "Why should people have to pay more to make up for the cost of things that aren't improving the experience much or at all?" Is what I believe is his issue here. Sorry if I've interpreted you wrong though Brawlman.

You hit it right onto the . Thank you.

 

[BrawlMan]

Yeah but how can someone who doesn't really play AAA games quantify that.

I'm more than qualify and quantify. Deal with it. I've been playing games since I was fucking 3 years old. I've seen history in the making just like you. I've seen changes even if I didn't understand all of them at the time. I know, because most of these AAA games aren't worth the blu-rays and DVDs they are printed on. Especially for the likes of Ubisoft, Activision, or EA. I've had my good and bad experiences, but by the time I got to my early to mid-20s, I can usually see a disaster waiting to happen. Or a really bad scheme when it makes it so bad noticeable. Don't like my opinion or my sound logic? Too bad. I forgot the part where that's my problem.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I'm more than qualify and quantify. Deal with it. I've been playing games since I was fucking 3 years old. I've seen history in the making just like you. I've seen changes even if I didn't understand all of them at the time. I know, because most of these AAA games aren't worth the blu-rays and DVDs they are printed on. Especially for the likes of Ubisoft, Activision, or EA. I've had my good and bad experiences, but by the time I got to my early to mid-20s, I can usually see a disaster waiting to happen. Or a really bad scheme when it makes it so bad noticeable. Don't like my opinion or my sound logic? Too bad. I forgot the part where that's my problem.

Bro, why so hostile? We are just having a conversation, but you take every disagreement so angrily. Like anyone who doesn't agree with you, well fuck them because that's my truth and anyone who disagrees can suck a bag of balls.

I get it. You don't like the price increase, but I don't see why you have to reply with such hostility cause someone tries to explains why they don't agree.

 

[BrawlMan]

Bro, why so hostile? We are just having a conversation, but you take every disagreement so angrily. Like anyone who doesn't agree with you, well fuck them because that's my truth and anyone who disagrees can suck a bag of balls.

I get it. You don't like the price increase, but I don't see why you have to reply with such hostility cause someone tries to explains why they don't agree.

The only reason it comes off ata hostile is cuz, I'm trying to prove a point. And you keep doing the same thing where your excuses and reasons boil down "That's the way it is. Why bother complaining or pointing out?" And you have been downplaying actual counter arguments or things that are wrong. I've seen you do that more than enough times with multiple subjects. So don't you even start. Don't even give me that whole, "we're just talking excuse either". That is where a good amount of my frustration comes from is when people like you do crap like that. And this:

Yeah but how can someone who doesn't really play AAA games quantify that?

I do take that personally, when you blow a person off like that. I know more than enough what goes on in the industry. I don't know every single thing and everything on my new detail, but I do know enough to know where a price shouldn't cost that much nor sky rocket that high, for a most likely shell price of a game. Even the ones with 1000+ hours content shouldn't be worth that much. If you're pacing is not good, if it's tedious grinding, or there's not a fun gameplay loop, I ain't paying jack shit. If all AAA games are going to go this way, then not even 50% off maybe enough for me. End of story. You do whatever you want.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I don't know every single thing and everything on my new detail, but I do know enough to know where a price shouldn't cost that much north sky rocket that high, for a most likely shell price of a game.

This proves the point though doesn't it? You don't play these games because you assume that based off shit like Anthem or Avengers, that every AAA-game is like that.

Didn't you love Ghosts of Tsushima? If that launched today it would be $70 game. You, and a lot of people in your camp, just have a hard and fast rule that prices for games should never go up for any reason what-so-ever, no excuses, no nothing. $60 is the golden price, or cheaper if possible.

If you're pacing's not good, if it's tedious grinding, or there's not a fun gameplay loop, I ain't paying jack shit.

That's fine and you watch plenty of reviewers to know when a game is going to be your cup of tea and will be fun for you.

If all AAA games are going to go this way, then not even 50% off maybe enough for me. End of story. You do whatever you want.

But not all AAA games are going that way. Not even close. Sure the big names in the industry (CoD's, Ubisofts, etc) are doing it, but that is far from every AAA game. And frankly even the big offenders don't put out games like you describe most of the time.

Sekiro was Activision.
Jedi Fallen Order was EA.
Immortal's Fenix Rising was Ubisoft, so was Mario+ rabids. I mean hell nothing Nintendo does is filled with much bullshit outside a few DLC shenagans.

It just feels like people in your camp, paint the games industry as this incredibly bleak worthless shithole and it simply isn't true. There are tons of great experiences that come out ever year without all that bullshit you hate.

Hate the shit that deserves it, but don't blanket everything in the same coat of paint because it simply isn't true. Whether you choose to play them or not.

 

[Chimpzy]

In my case, the thing that bothers me the most about the price increase is that there is no parity between the various regions. The US price for pc games goes from $60 to $70, a 16,7% increase. But ours goes from €60 to €80, a 33,3% increase. In USD, that would be ~68$ to 90.5$.

And so far, I've yet to see any official explanation as to why that is, tho I'm sure if pressed on it, they'd put out some guff about localization costs or whatnot.

 

[CriticalGaming]

In my case, the thing that bothers me the most about the price increase is that there is no parity between the various regions. The US price for pc games goes from $60 to $70, a 16,7% increase. But ours goes from €60 to €80, a 33,3% increase. In USD, that would be ~68$ to 90.5$.

And so far, I've yet to see any official explanation as to why that is, tho I'm sure if pressed on it, they'd put out some guff about localization costs or whatnot.

Yeah I've never understood this either. I get the increase on physical games because of importing costs or duties or whatever. As someone who imports product myself, I understand that shit gets really expensive real quick.

But on digital goods it makes no sense. That much I agree and I've always thought it was bullshit that people in Austrailia are paying like $100 for a game on steam for no fucking reason.

 

[BrawlMan]

This proves the point though doesn't it? You don't play these games because you assume that based off shit like Anthem or Avengers, that every AAA-game is like that.

It don't prove shit, when we can see where the lines are going. Most of these AAA games have been the same crap over and over. With only a few bright lights or small differences here and there.

Didn't you love Ghosts of Tsushima? If that launched today it would be $70 game.

So what? It didn't get the $70 price tag. If it did, I would have waited for a price drop, but thankfully it didn't. It came out on last gen consoles. Like I said before, even if a game is 100 plus hours; if the game play ain't good, it ain't worth it. And even if the gameplay is good, I don't need it immediately. Not one for FOMO. Also, I didn't buy the game, my older brother got it for me as a birthday gift.

But not all AAA games are going that way. Not even close. Sure the big names in the industry (CoD's, Ubisofts, etc) are doing it, but that is far from every AAA game. And frankly even the big offenders don't put out games like you describe most of the time.

No, but plenty of them are and will be heading this way, if people don't make enough of a complaint.

It just feels like people in your camp, paint the games industry as this incredibly bleak worthless shithole and it simply isn't true. There are tons of great experiences that come out ever year without all that bullshit you hate

And people in your corner keep ignoring bad practices or downplaying them. Or try to act oblivious about it. Have fun paying a game that's going to be 90 plus dollars in some generation as the standard shell price. Then make more pathetic excuse to justify your purchase. Or make complaints about stuff that aren't that serious, but turn it into serious business for petty reasons. Such as "sjws ruining everything and diversity ruining our games!". I never said the entire gaming industry is a bleak shit hole, but it is going to be or might as well be that way, if you can't read between the lines or ignore what's going to be the new standard. Besides, I am not that bleak. It's why I still care for the AAs and indies. They're not perfect and I'm sure they have their jackasses as well, but there are more people that care there, than by comparison of what's going on at the AAA.

Hate the shit that deserves it, but don't blanket everything in the same coat of paint because it simply isn't true. Whether you choose to play them or not.

I never do, all you do is assume. If I hated all of the AAA industry, I wouldn't even be bothering with Nintendo, Capcom, Tango Works, or Platinum. They have their problems too; especially Nintendo. Yet these people I named at least bother to still try.

And how about you try less of crying about sjws and "forced" diversity "ruining" games, comics, and Victoria's Secret. Or huffing and puffing about how some comedian is being "canceled" even though he's clearly not. After all that, maybe we'll get somewhere.

 

[CriticalGaming]

And people in your corner keep ignoring bad practices or downplaying them.

I don't ignore bad practices. I very much shit on games like Fallout 76 and Microsoft all the time. Where we disagree is that I don't think this is really a bad practice. That's the only difference.

And even if the gameplay is good, I don't need it immediately.

So the price increase literally doesn't affect you. It's not like game's stay full price very long (unless they are Nintendo games), and otherwise have sales and general prices drops pretty quickly. And since you don't care about FOMO the price is meaningless. It's literally only people who can't control themselves to wait for the game to become cheaper that complain most about this.

Also I do find the irony of people who build $5000 computer rigs for games, but complain that $70 is too much for a game. It's isn't a matter of being able to afford it, it's a matter of complaining about change like a bunch of old people ranting about how a loaf of bread isn't 15 cents anymore.

ignore what's going to be the new standard.

How is this a new standard when games have been $70 for 25 years? And if you compare $70 in 1997 to $70 in 2021 there is a vast difference in the value of that number. Hell $70 barely gets me a tank of gas anymore. In 1997 $70 would have paid my rent (not really obviously).

And how about you try less of crying about sjws and "forced" diversity ruining games, comics, and Victoria's Secret and maybe we'll get somewhere.

"This other opinion you have is bad therefore all your opinions are bad".

 

[BrawlMan]

I don't ignore bad practices. I very much shit on games like Fallout 76 and Microsoft all the time. Where we disagree is that I don't think this is really a bad practice. That's the only difference.



So the price increase literally doesn't affect you. It's not like game's stay full price very long (unless they are Nintendo games), and otherwise have sales and general prices drops pretty quickly. And since you don't care about FOMO the price is meaningless. It's literally only people who can't control themselves to wait for the game to become cheaper that complain most about this.

Also I do find the irony of people who build $5000 computer rigs for games, but complain that $70 is too much for a game. It's isn't a matter of being able to afford it, it's a matter of complaining about change like a bunch of old people ranting about how a loaf of bread isn't 15 cents anymore.



How is this a new standard when games have been $70 for 25 years? And if you compare $70 in 1997 to $70 in 2021 there is a vast difference in the value of that number. Hell $70 barely gets me a tank of gas anymore. In 1997 $70 would have paid my rent (not really obviously).



"This other opinion you have is bad therefore all your opinions are bad".

You're really not getting this. Nor do you want to get it. Read my text one last time and that is it. It is still bull crap that most AAA, if not, all, games are going to increase the $70. Even if not every single a publisher is going to follow the format of micro transactions and season passes, you bet your ass there's going to be a lot of them that do. It's a scam that's been going on since the middle of 7th generation and it's only gotten worse. I may not be "effected', but there are plenty of others that do or costly getting sucker into it. All you're doing is just making excuses or justifying why it is the way it is. If you can't get that through your thick skull then I have nothing left to say to you. That is that. I'm not doing this constant back and forth the whole afternoon. You are the self-proclaimed sucker that's more than willing to spend $70 on the PC version of Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Have fun paying for a game twice, that's a remake of a game that split into two parts. You're looking at $200 plus total in full price whenever they bother to release the second half of part 7. All the DLC that comes after while you're at it too.

 

[CriticalGaming]

You are the self-proclaimed sucker that's more than willing to spend $70 on the PC version of Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Have fun paying for a game twice, that's a remake of a game that split into two parts. You're looking at $200 plus total in full price whenever they bother to release the second part 7. All the DLC two that comes after while you're at it too.

HEY HEY HEY!!!! I'll have you know this would be the 3rd time I bought the game and the first time I bought the big delux edition!

So take that!

 

[BrawlMan]

HEY HEY HEY!!!! I'll have you know this would be the 3rd time I bought the game and the first time I bought the big delux edition!

So take that!

That's you. Enjoy your multiple purchases from your corporate overlords.
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[Chimpzy]

Yeah I've never understood this either. I get the increase on physical games because of importing costs or duties or whatever. As someone who imports product myself, I understand that shit gets really expensive real quick.

But on digital goods it makes no sense. That much I agree and I've always thought it was bullshit that people in Austrailia are paying like $100 for a game on steam for no fucking reason.

I've seen someone try to explain the difference as caused by EU (and basically anywhere else) prices including tax, while the US is the net price, but that's bull. Deducting the local tax rate and converting to USD puts the rounded EU net price at 74.8$, the Aussie at 74.5$, UK at 73.2$, and Japan at 79,3$. So it's not just tax, the base price is higher too.

As to why? Probably the same answer as always: because they can and they know people will just suck it up. Maybe also a good old fashioned round of "any region that isn't NA or JP gets the shaft harder", tho in this case it's really "everyone except NA gets shafter harder" cuz Japan pays the highest net.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I still don't understand the EGS hate. Why are people fine with console exclusives, but PC exclusives are like a big no-no.

My "EGS hate" is because it is a supremely insecure (I got three notifications of my account being breached over the space of two months) and unfinished (they just recently put in a shopping cart; woohoo ain't we in the future!) platform, which would be dead in the water if they weren't using buckets of Fortnite money to buy up exclusives. I personally don't give half a disinterested rat's ass what platform people game on, but Epic is directly harming gaming while pretending that they're just trying to promote competition. (None of this stops me from taking those free games it offers, but hell if I will ever trust them with payment information.)

 

[CriticalGaming]

My "EGS hate" is because it is a supremely insecure (I got three notifications of my account being breached over the space of two months) and unfinished (they just recently put in a shopping cart; woohoo ain't we in the future!) platform, which would be dead in the water if they weren't using buckets of Fortnite money to buy up exclusives. I personally don't give half a disinterested rat's ass what platform people game on, but Epic is directly harming gaming while pretending that they're just trying to promote competition. (None of this stops me from taking those free games it offers, but hell if I will ever trust them with payment information.)

Except people had problems with EGS before there were any leaks of info on EGS. And it isn't like payment information hasn't ever been grabbed off Steam https://www.secure128.com/support-r...ice-valve-falls-victim-to-massive-data-breach

So I feel you that you don't feel secure in using the EGS, but Steam doesn't have a great record either. Steam having been breached at least twice (2015 and 2018).

My complaint with EGS is the lack of account features like achievements but that's a minor thing. I don't PC game much anymore so it matters not to me, I just always felt that people's hate for EGS was arbiturary.

 

[BrawlMan]

Epic's Matrix demo promises photorealistic video game graphics

"We're trying to basically eliminate the uncanny valley of plausibility when it comes to characters and environment."

www.axios.com

Nintendo Switch Is the Best-selling Video Game Console in November With More Than 1 Million Units Sold

According to the NPD Group, which tracks video game sales in the U.S., the combined sales of Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch Lite and Nintendo Switch

www.businesswire.com

 

[CriticalGaming]

Epic's Matrix demo promises photorealistic video game graphics

"We're trying to basically eliminate the uncanny valley of plausibility when it comes to characters and environment."

www.axios.com

Nintendo Switch Is the Best-selling Video Game Console in November With More Than 1 Million Units Sold

According to the NPD Group, which tracks video game sales in the U.S., the combined sales of Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch Lite and Nintendo Switch

www.businesswire.com

I played that Matrix demo and while the environment looks really nice, the characters are exceptionally uncanny valley in the way they move. Like they look good, but there is something quite off and artificial about them that kind of ruined the experience for me.

 

[Fallen Soldier]

This proves the point though doesn't it? You don't play these games because you assume that based off shit like Anthem or Avengers, that every AAA-game is like that.

Didn't you love Ghosts of Tsushima? If that launched today it would be $70 game. You, and a lot of people in your camp, just have a hard and fast rule that prices for games should never go up for any reason what-so-ever, no excuses, no nothing. $60 is the golden price, or cheaper if possible.



That's fine and you watch plenty of reviewers to know when a game is going to be your cup of tea and will be fun for you.



But not all AAA games are going that way. Not even close. Sure the big names in the industry (CoD's, Ubisofts, etc) are doing it, but that is far from every AAA game. And frankly even the big offenders don't put out games like you describe most of the time.

Sekiro was Activision.
Jedi Fallen Order was EA.
Immortal's Fenix Rising was Ubisoft, so was Mario+ rabids. I mean hell nothing Nintendo does is filled with much bullshit outside a few DLC shenagans.

It just feels like people in your camp, paint the games industry as this incredibly bleak worthless shithole and it simply isn't true. There are tons of great experiences that come out ever year without all that bullshit you hate.

Hate the shit that deserves it, but don't blanket everything in the same coat of paint because it simply isn't true. Whether you choose to play them or not.

In my view triple A has forgotten how to make actual fun game play in the pursuit of shiny graphics and cinematic moments. Also immortals fenix rising was triple A? It felt more like a mid budget game at best.