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Love how the Liberal's plan for "living with covid" is basically the same as the GOP's plan of "good luck, hope you don't die. Unless you're poor"
I mean there's a vast difference between having that policy before vaccines were available and having that policy when nearly everyone who ever will be vaccinated (baring aggressive mandates) has received their shot(s) and boosters are available as same-day appointments for free. Also, unlike the GOP-led states, there's no banning of vaccine or even mask mandates. That said, I'm not sure it's the correct move in this case. We'll have to watch hospitalization rates and such to see.
 
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While I don't doubt that China is doing a better job than the US and UK, I also don't trust their reported stats for a millisecond. This is a party with a long, ignoble history of denial and data fabrication, particularly with death tolls (incl. for natural disasters).
The virus is spread by animals as well as people. I don't know specifics animal to animal, but it's reasonable to imagine any mammal is a transmission threat. If you locked everyone inside long enough to stop the spread, it would just start over from the animals. Hence, the only places that managed to actually minimize spread are islands. You should doubt that China is doing a better job and minimizing spread, it isn't a feasible possibility, that isn't China's fault that it isn't feasible, but their lies are really blatant.
 

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The virus is spread by animals as well as people. I don't know specifics animal to animal, but it's reasonable to imagine any mammal is a transmission threat. If you locked everyone inside long enough to stop the spread, it would just start over from the animals. Hence, the only places that managed to actually minimize spread are islands. You should doubt that China is doing a better job and minimizing spread, it isn't a feasible possibility, that isn't China's fault that it isn't feasible, but their lies are really blatant.
The risk of transmission from animal to human is already low; the risk of significant spread from animal transmission is minuscule. The vast, vast majority of mammals simply do not cover wide enough geographic territory, and nor do they travel far enough frequently. Look at the transmission rate during enforced lockdowns (including on inland nations), and it almost flatlines.

The Chinese government is at fault for its refusal to regulate wet markets (especially after previous outbreaks originated there), as well as suppressing data. But they provided the genetic sequence very early on to the international community, who proceeded to drop the ball at every point since.

Honestly, there's enough blame to go around. Globally, our representatives and delegates have monumentally failed at their most basic task.
 

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Honestly, there's enough blame to go around. Globally, our representatives and delegates have monumentally failed at their most basic task.
Once covid began to spread, even a tiny amount, the end result was always going to be the whole planet getting it. It's a variant of common cold, you're going to get it, you're going to get it repeatedly, and it won't be a big deal because now your immune system knows how to keep it reasonable. There was never any avoiding that end state. The only difference anyone could make is to slow it down to allow people time to prepare for it, and for the most part that happened, even so much as to have multiple vaccines developed shockingly fast.

Plenty of mistakes were made, but I don't know anyone deserves the "monumental failure" assessment on a broad scale.
 
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Once covid began to spread, even a tiny amount, the end result was always going to be the whole planet getting it.
No. That was dependent on human choices, specifically those of political leaders (at the behest of the ruling classes).
 

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"Some of you may die but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make" -Dr Fauci probably
This does not suprise me. Fauci was following Trump message 90% of the way. It was only small disagreements that lead to his ostracization.

I'm going to say this again. Biden has done fuck all. Yes it's not damaging like Trump but Biden ain't interested in helping
 

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This does not suprise me. Fauci was following Trump message 90% of the way. It was only small disagreements that lead to his ostracization.

I'm going to say this again. Biden has done fuck all. Yes it's not damaging like Trump but Biden ain't interested in helping
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
 

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No. That was dependent on human choices, specifically those of political leaders (at the behest of the ruling classes).
You can't possibly believe that covid was easily contained if only the imaginary aristocracy hadn't chosen to make it spread. You cannot be that delusional.
 

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I was just gonna post this!!!! HAHAHAHA!


Of course now people will say, "well we learn new things all the time and now maybe they've learned that asympomatic people don't spread the virus." Which is one step below admitting that "asympomatic" is just another word for "false-positive".

I like how he says "essential jobs" too. ************, EVERY job is essential to someone trying to put food on their table.
He's probably realized that the people who hate him are the ones most likely to be infected by the "asymptomatic" as they are also the ones who are likely to still refuse to get the vaccine and decided "well fuck it, if they die they die." They're the ones who want to get back to normal while not getting vaccinated or masking.
 

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Pfft. Who needs doctors when we have pillow salesmen?!
What an extremely depressing story.
I think that after 1 year of the vaccine being out, my sympathy for the willfully unvaccinated has declined to nothing. The correct information has been explained to them ad nauseam. The fact they are unpersuaded by the truth is, basically, their fault more than it is anyone else's. It would be easier to feel for them if so many didn't exude an unearned smug sense of of "superiority".
 
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Everybody be gettin Covid now. My Mum had it (bad flu, loss of taste and smell), my boss had it (sent to hospital for pneumonia issues), and now my brother has it (stuffy nose).

I got tested last week since my Mum got it and believes she had it during Christmas (mine was negative) and now I'm going again today since my brother was at other Christmas :D

EDIT: 2 for 2 on getting a negative. I'm good at these tests!
 
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Once covid began to spread, even a tiny amount, the end result was always going to be the whole planet getting it. It's a variant of common cold, you're going to get it, you're going to get it repeatedly, and it won't be a big deal because now your immune system knows how to keep it reasonable. There was never any avoiding that end state. The only difference anyone could make is to slow it down to allow people time to prepare for it, and for the most part that happened, even so much as to have multiple vaccines developed shockingly fast.

Plenty of mistakes were made, but I don't know anyone deserves the "monumental failure" assessment on a broad scale.
Do you know how many infectious diseases and viruses flare up in one country, then burn out or remain relatively localised without becoming a global pandemic? Its a lot. Including coronaviruses a lot more closely related to Covid-19 than the common cold. When the surrounding circumstances aren't so very, very useful for viral transmission and dispersal.

A lot of the death and devastation of the last 2 years was avoidable. The "inevitable" narrative exists solely to let people off the hook for the greed and complacency that turned a disaster into an utter worldwide catastrophe.
 
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