Ukraine
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Yah, what?
Do you have any further evidence than your feelings?
Do you know that this round of fighting started in 2018? Do you want to know why it didn't get any air time? Trump had destroyed NATO. Probably at Putin bidding. There was no point because there was nothing that could be done. Putin got away with a fuck load of stuff while Trump clapped him on.
We also been told that first impeachment was a lie, (even though a score of people went to jail over kt) not just Fox, but by knuckleheads like Greenwald and Jimmy Dore. Thus, leftie pointing out what Russia was doing was deemed a witch hunt. We were shouted down by idiot lefties who wanted to score political points
Yeah, I know. Hillary was making stuff up. Doesn't mean all of what was stated about 2016-8 was false. Stop cancelling people just because they sometimes agree with her
But, go ahead. Blame us for this mess if it makes you feel better. Let's not actually investigate what happen because that might lead to some introspection.
If there was any doubt that Russia pre okay the whole invasion with China, apparently China is blaming the US for this.
www.newsweek.com
Otherwise the Ukrainion seem to be doing suprisingly well, but probably not well enough, unless there's some massive assistance from other nation I don't see them making it trough the rest of the week.
China 'Opposes Any Act' of War; Blames U.S. for Sending Weapons to Ukraine
A spokesperson for China's Foreign Ministry said the country is committed to a peaceful resolution of Russia's invasion of Ukraine while criticizing the U.S.
www.newsweek.com
Otherwise the Ukrainion seem to be doing suprisingly well, but probably not well enough, unless there's some massive assistance from other nation I don't see them making it trough the rest of the week.
If there was any doubt that Russia pre okay the whole invasion with China, apparently China is blaming the US for this.
China 'Opposes Any Act' of War; Blames U.S. for Sending Weapons to Ukraine
A spokesperson for China's Foreign Ministry said the country is committed to a peaceful resolution of Russia's invasion of Ukraine while criticizing the U.S.
Otherwise the Ukrainion seem to be doing suprisingly well, but probably not well enough, unless there's some massive assistance from other nation I don't see them making it trough the rest of the week.
I mean... I mean....
Though hopefully the demonstrations in Russia will be enough for Putin to back off.
And I'm perfectly happy that I don't live in any of them. And I don't want to visit them.
Maybe it's because the genuinely accepted view is that Russia and China are bad actually but the US isn't and we should totally respect the US.
Remember that time the US killed (was it) 6 children and then lied about it and then journalists found incontrovertible proof that they lied and then the US admitted that they knew it was actually children they killed and they lied about it on purpose and also nobody would be punished? Do we remember that? Because if we don't I'm sure I can find other stories. Fuck Russia and fuck the US. They're not mutually exclusive positions.
Eh, maybe it's because Seanchaidh has been posting a lot on this issue, and perhaps Gergar12 has a bunch of people responding blocked and can't see them?
At least someone's stepping up to do what the western governments don't have the conviction to do.
www.abc.net.au
Anonymous takes down Kremlin, Russian-controlled media site in cyber attacks
Hackers launch cyber attacks against Russian government websites, including state-controlled Russia Today, in response to the Ukraine crisis.
www.abc.net.au
Regarding sanctions, to me, the point is to weaken Russia, so that they have less money with which to threaten us. Every dollar we pay Russia means another three or five dollars we have to put into our military to defend against them. Makes Russian gas rather pricey.
While this Forum doesn't like the US very much, i am very certain it likes Putins Russia far less. I am pretty certain it also likes Xis China less than the US though that might have been a tougher call during the Trump era.
But yes, there are far more posts about American imperialism than about Russian imperialism. Why ?
Because way too many posters don't care about anything outside the US. And those who do care, are not uninterested in the US. I remember when i tried to make a thread about the German election. It just didn't really work. To few knew enough about German politics to contribute or were interested in the results. It is a small forum. The US is nearly the only thing that enough people know enough about to voice opinions and get discussions going.
So while there are more posts about American imperialism than Russian imperialim, the percentage of posts about Russia referring to its imperialist antics is far higher. Can you eben remember a single thread about Russia that was about anything else ? I sure can't.
And of course this is what can happen to a country threatened by Russia and not under US protection. But that is not a revelation to anyone really. Why do you thing all those eastern European nations are in NATO ? To be protected from Russia of course. That is the only reason NATO still exists. Russia is the only credible thread keeping them together and has been for decades. No one cares about China and NATO wouldn't help Taiwan or South Korea.
And of course Putin can only do what he does because the Ukraine is not actually an ally to the Western nations, never has been.
Also Russia never invaded Syria. It propped up its dictator ally in Syria. Still shitty, but far more acceptable under international law than what e.g. Turkey did there.
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This round... you know, the round after the previous round (the previous being Crimea).
Before 2018 but after Crimea, ithe conflict devolved nto non state actors/proxies. Sometimes , it involved one state. but not both. But in 2018, it heated up again to both states shooting at each other
There wasn't much reporting because NATO had become defunct.
Man, I'm very willing to say fuck the US less. But I don't think thats going to matter.
Edit: Maybe I should say it as the US is bad but Russia is worse.
Like, why would a nation with a giant army not be culpable heinous crimes. It just goes hand in hand
pretty sure I'm the only one whose proposed action by the United States-- disband NATO and the US military-- might have led to this war not happening.
this seems unwise (if true)
But I'll still reiterate: such genius, wow
this seems unwise (if true)
I am not much of a Biden supporter, but that man just outsmarted Putin.
Russia-Ukraine Tensions: Putin Says the U.S. Wants to Push Russia into War (Published 2022)
The Russian president blamed the United States for the crisis in Ukraine, saying Americans were goading the Kremlin to start a conflict as a pretext for enacting harsh sanctions.www.nytimes.com
In other words, he's called Putin bluff, and Putin couldn't do anything despite holding a better hand than Biden. And yes the anti-woke opinion is that Biden is a good president on foreign policy despite the other stuff Biden did. Morally Biden is as bad as any US president, but morality doesn't matter when Americans aren't starving like North Koreans, as corrupt as Maduro's regime, and can't do anything about an aggressive alliance at your borders like Putin. He's even made good on his promise to bring factory jobs back to the US like the Intel plant in Ohio by directing US corporations to focus on bringing down US factory jobs via soft power.
Once Covid has died down, and his economic numbers are better, his domestic policy will get higher approval than right now.
I love it when two posts on opposite sides of an issue both age like milk.
But I'll still reiterate: such genius, wow
I'm sure for the people who's kids were murdered by America there's probably less of a distinction. I see the issue of murdering children as very black and white. Either you murder children or you don't. There is no "more moral" child murderers because once you start murdering children you are in the camp of child murderers. Your score doesn't really matter.
Nah. Putin long since dropped the presence that this is about ''western aggression''. He's been pretty open that its about blood and soil.
Indeed this. If there is a better way to make Russia's foreign policy prohibitively expensive for them then sure that is the way to go instead/in addition to economic sanctions.
Yeah and if you travelled back in time and stopped Putin being born this war would not be happening either, which is just as realistic and meaningless as your solution.