Funny Events of the "Woke" world
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One thing about Abby is kinda similar, in one of the sections anyway; her strangling zombies with her naked arms. This was a bit of an issue with Joel too in the first game as he was just wearing flanel shirts, but Abby's got her giant exposed arms just right there. All a zombie has to do is pivot its chin just an inch and chomp. Nothing immersion breaking, just kinda hysterical.
It honestly makes less sense for Ellie to be as ripped as she is, as she lives on a chill ranch. But then Ellie looked more acceptably feminine and Abby didn't. So yeah, that's it.
Also, the original Ghostbusters were pudgy looking science guys, and Louis was the size of a hamster when he wore a proton pack in Ghostbusters 2. Nobody could wear these things if they were real machines. They certainly wouldn't be able to run around with them down hotel hallways and New York streets.
Queer Representation Takes a Hit as the CW Cancels 'Legends of Tomorrow', 'Batwoman'
Queer representation on the CW has taken a massive hit with the network announcing the cancellation of 'Legends of Tomorrow' and 'Batwoman'.
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So, since I've debated this a lot, this is an example of what could be called "woke" analysis of shows.
Batwoman & LoT are cancelled. What we thus have is an article that focuses entirely on the queer aspect. I actually went through to check if there was a reference to anything other than identitarian analysis (e.g. plot), and came up with...79 words out of around 500 (about 15%). If you include re-tweets, that ratio becomes even more skewed.
Said tweets including stuff like "It's super shitty how a network thinks it can hide the fact that they're not renewing two of the most diverse and queerest shows on TV. We still see what you did and how cowardly it was."
(Ah yes, because the reason those shows were cancelled was due entirely to some anti-LGBT agenda rather than literally anything else...budget, advertising revenue, viewing figures...nup, the CW are just bigots.)
Part of why SJWs and SQWs are mirror images of each other. An SJW can look at this and conclude that the only reason for the cancellation is an anti-LGBT agenda. On the flipside, an SQW can look at something like Last Jedi, and conclude that the only reason for the casting is a feminist agenda. Personally, SQWs irritate me more, in that they tend to be far more vicious, but it's really striking how similar the two philosphies are, just inverted.
I think that's a fair point, though it makes me wonder what would happen if Extreme Ghostbusters was made today.
Something about the "SJW agenda" no doubt.
You don't really need him at his peak as such in the sequel Trilogy. You just need to show a bit of him at it. I dunno lets say elderly Luke meets Rey and refuses to train her but she refuses to leave eventually Luke goes something like "Well if you're going to insist on hanging round here you might as well join me for dinner" then you do some sort of crappy dinner table set up and Luke at some point turns to Rey and say something like "I think I owe you at least an explanation as to why I can't be the one to train you" screen fades and he skips through tales of his past showing him in his prime in bits. You have maybe 10-15 minutes at most of flashback showing how Luke ended up as he is now and done we've got to see Luke in or near his prime; it's contrasted him with now; explained why he's bitter and left beyond "I went a bit mad" and better set up his arc.
The problem with that is
1) She happily was wearing a "The Force is Female Shirt" in publicity photos
2) The Publicity photos clearly had some level of official to them considering the background is a screen with logos for JJ Abrams company on it lol along with logos for a film festival.
Did it manifest in the films?
Well Finn got Side lined and Rey became the main Jedi lead for the series along with getting a host of new force powers and being shown as the most powerful Jedi ever.
Yeh Holdo is culpable to an extent and the film doesn't acknowledge it but Poe's actions basically cause the fall of most of the resistance. Poe not shutting up and knowing his place nearly cause the villains to entirely win and it was only thanks to Holdo that they didn't.
Karen Fukuhara didn't....... that we know off because oddly enough there haven't been masses of article about it.
With Kelly Marie Tran it apparently was happening on Instagram which really trolls on Instagram? That's not really the common place for them. If I were to hazard a guess it was shippers again because if you think there's fanbase toxicity normally you've never seen shipping fandom toxicity such as the abuse then Candice Patton got tons of it for her role as Iris West in The Flash most of it if not all of it from "Snowbarry" shippers.
The also wasn't the "Alt Right" running round telling everyone who hated Rise of Skywalker to go kill themselves for the good of society and they can't wait for "People like you to go extinct and it's a shame we can't legally do it ourselves" or similar sentiments regularly being expressed.
And many of the critics being deemed bigoted alt-right who only hated Poe due to her race actually came out to say she was done dirty by being sidelined and it was a bad move not to try and give her more character development in the film.
Rey Parentage being retconned was likely because JJ Abrams planned her to have parentage and well Rian Johnson didn't bother reading the plans and threw out the script outline before reading it and wrote his own thing.
They're not, well not always but again I've seen some of the PR releases. I've seen some of the PR stuff and seen it basically regurgitated places.
Happens in both print and youtube and sometimes mainstream news.
I mean I guess the gaming press are totally immune and couldn't possibly have ever done anything like that before
I mean hell I've had offers with money involved before just to push out some company statement junk onto blogs I have.
Except I don't because as I've pointed out very often they're not but despite keep pointing it out and arguing it you apparently think a character saying "I'm a Lesbian" once per episode is the same as having a character show romantic interest in another.
Oh and an FYI Amy was hinted at being Bi in Doctor Who on a few occasions and the show didn't feel the need to have her yell "I'm Bi" It treated it's audience as intelligent enough to pick up on it.
Except as has been pointed out it's rare it is treated as normal and even when it is by a show the media round it doesn't treat it as normal.
No-one would care really because Extreme Ghostbusters was good. Hell Kylie Griffin was embraced by the fanbase so much she got brought into the Ghostbusters comics.I think that's a fair point, though it makes me wonder what would happen if Extreme Ghostbusters was made today.
Something about the "SJW agenda" no doubt.
We already did the whole Male characters being sold on showing skin
Hell there's a reason Chris Hemsworth's contract said he has to take his top off in Thor films if required lol.
Ironically one of the things that is seen and bringing that in was a Lesbian kiss and reverse drag act in the film Morocco.
So in short: it's your assumption in this case. You haven't actually got any evidence it's the case here, but someone had opinions you didn't like so you'll happily attribute it to paid advocacy.
We've already established that this factually did not happen.
Well Marcus was in Prison so nothing much to do there but eat and work out seemingly.
As Liana K has gone through (I'll link the vids if you'd like) the physique Abby has is based on a professional who has to have a special controlled diet regime and exercise regime and can only maintain that look at most about 2 weeks in every 8 due to how the cycle works. Oh and her regime isn't Tacos from a base cafe.
Like I mean Dwayne Johnson is on like 6 meals a day to maintain his look.
One of the main writers and creators actually too.
That she did in official press photos.
In front of a specially made banner.
With the Logo for JJ Abrams production company on it
At a pre arranged PR event where she was there to represent Lucas Films.
Come on we live in an age where people can be fired for independently talking negative about their work on social media and at a PR event Kathleen Kennedy's comments are meant to be taken as hers and hers alone not her as head of Lucas Film?
Except when they start on about toxic fans or awful bigots objecting to stuff. Or the ever popular "Some people are just too stupid to understand why it's so good / needed".
Well people tend not to be too happy when they're told "Well fuck off I don't want to hear from you as I don't think you have anything worthwhile to say." Kind of a symptom of the culture was and perception of Larson kind of fall in line with an unfortunate narrative that was seemingly being pushed for a while the "Shut up it's not for you anymore it's ours now" narrative.
Oh you mean like #NotmyAerial.
I hate to bring this up again but even in the past Moviebob acknowledged Hollywood has companies (and I wouldn't be shocked if Disney has an in house version) who specialise in selling themselves as "Controlling fan reaction and narrative online once a film is released.
It a worryingly common thing happening. Just look at the number of reported "Hate crime" events were a worrying number of prominent ones have turned out to be fake. I mean Jussie Smollett anyone?
At what point do we claim it can be regarded as from Disney though if the head of Lucas film was happily wearing the shirt for it in official PR photos?
I mean yeh it didn't come from Walt Disney but only because they've not figured out how to bring him back to life once he's out of cryogenic containment lol
Because the implication was John was there and he and his wife were a team.
As much as I hate to be the one pointing this stuff out but part of the perceived attack on femininity is the idea motherhood is bad. It's a stupid messed up thing to try and explain but well Anita Sarkeesian best showcases this will her thesis on why Bella Swan is bad but Buffy is good and portrayals of women in media where as negative portrayals of women it was mostly traits deemed feminine while positive female leads qualities were mostly masculine ones.
To go back to some-one pretty good on the subject Liana K she created the character of "Princess Sparkle Muffin" for some of her content and upcoming game to exemplify so called feminine traits as being positive ones a hero can have.
As some pointed out before with Terminator 2 Sarah Connors still has moments of being allowed to be feminine. More so in the dream sequence where her hair is longer than in the asylum when she is with Kyle Reese.
With SCC there was no outrage as we never did learn who became the leader and we did know from T3 that John Connor had some generals too who the Terminators were picking off so the assumption would have been one of them took the mantle of leader.
Yeh because by they point they expected bad. Also yeh people cared because they really didn't do anything with Finn and essentially prove fans wrong that he was a well written well thought out character with a satisfying arc. Also as we didn't know how far ahead the timeline had gone people still thought Stormtroopers were likely still made up a majority of clones
Yes, problem is girls had already been Ghostbusters and any-one pointing this out was met with "You just hate women you sexist bigot women can be ghostbusters" and mostly not listened to. I pointed out a ton of times about Kyle Griffin but no the narrative carried on that these were "The first female Ghostbusters" or whatever. Also people saw it as a reboot but seemingly treading the same ground trying to do a reboot and replace. The whole "It's an alternative universe" wasn't actually out out there for quite a while Ghostbusters 2016 was Ghostbusters going forward that was it. No alternative universe versions existing. Just the 2016 continuity going forwards. Hell there was a cartoon series planned called Ghostbusters: Slime Patrol or something that got canned and planned other tie in stuff.
Except those things are claimed. That was in part the claimed reason for the changes because as you say Ghostbusters original was called sexist against women and exclusionary. Same with Doctor Who, I mean do I need to bring up the song?
I will anyway.
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Nor do I have evidence it won't raid fish tomorrow.
I have precedent on my side that it won't so I'm not going to be carrying round a titanium reinforced umbrella on the off chance it does.
Established precedence exists for a reason and if you're going to argue it's not applicable and you never use it then I have to suggest your life is a very strange one as you have to investigate everything every time you go to do something just incase it's changed for no logical reason just pure entropy random chance because while highly improbable the numbers don't say it's entirely impossible.
Sorry just laughing at the idea of you walking round with a Geiger counter incase there's been nuclear fallout overnight and you need to check before venturing outdoors.
No you've claimed it.
Reality is this thread has established how wrong your claim was from you claiming 7/12 is a minority of episodes not a majority. Arguing characters aren't made one note focussing on that characteristic while being unable to show how they're different.
But you don't have established precedent. You're just assuming that, too. The idea that the majority of games press is pre-scripted by the studios is baseless nonsense.
None of this happened.
The show didn't focus on that one characteristic exclusively. It didn't even bring it up most of the time. You just get pushed over the line any time a gay character is on screen and then blame the show, even if they're depicted just the same as straight characters are.
Points to the SEO stuff I linked to.
I mean come on the whole "This is what a future gamer will look like" sponsored by a gambling company was literally a pre-written piece made to generate SEO for said company. How do I know? I looked into it and the stuff was publicly on the companies website.
Some sites will happily put out whatever press stuff in the hopes of getting the company to buy ads with them and keep access.
Review guides these days come with suggested lists of points the company would like reviewers to touch on if possible.
Cyberpunk 2077 refused to let people play the other console versions and would only let reviewers use B roll not their own captures. How do we know? SkillUp blew the whistle on it.
Is it all media all the time? No. Is it happening a fair but? Yes because those who play ball get kept around. I know we're on The Escapist and we're here because it's different here because it doesn't care so much about access like other sites.
You were literally unable to describe her personality despite being challenged to do so 3 times lol. How can you argue it didn't when it was brought in in more than 50% of the episodes she was in and became a core plot point in at least 2 more but she never once got to have a hobby or talk about what she's interested in?
Are you suffering from short-term memory loss?
You kept demanding I define her personality. I said it was pointless, because regardless of what I said, you'd just downplay anything that wasn't "gay" and exaggerate anything that was. Eventually I caved and gave you a description of her personality which had nothing to do with sexuality. And in response you just... whined that none of what I said counted because you didn't think it was prominent enough. I did exactly what you asked, and you just ignored it, rendering the entire exercise pointless-- exactly as I predicted, because you're so insanely predictable.
I generally don't bother remember the nonsense of sophistry being employed.
You as I recall had no rebuttal to that other than to whine that I wouldn't accept a few generic non specific character traits you attributed to Bill.
Also again you yourself actually brought up the stat about 7 in 12 episodes being ones she mentions it specifically then tried to argue that's a minority of the episodes lol.
You believe I'm predictable yet I knew you'd bring up generic items and I can see you have no argument left so would resort to sophistry anyway.