Peter Thiel is an arrogant, dangerous ideologue. The sort of person who'd kick millions into the gutter for his ideas. Many of his stripe are.
Funny Events of the "Woke" world
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and yet people suggesting any known left wing Millionaire or Billionaire doing it are conspiracy theorists for suggesting it..........
Well, the onus is on you to produce it.
Sounds stupid.
Also sounds stupid.
Not really seeing the problem here though, doesn't the smartest problem in the Marvel universe vary a lot? Tony Stark, Mr. Fantastic, Bruce Banner, one of the new Hulks, etc. No-one could accuse superhero comics of being consistent.
Not seeing the problem.
Agree that sounds stupid, but it's stupidity that's par for the course in the genre. Heroes get new powers quite a bit without explanation. Most recent example for me is season 7 of The Flash, where speedsters can suddenly generate light lassoos and wield lightning bolts like lightsabers. How, why, are questions that are never answered, or even asked.
I agree that sounds stupid.
Doxing by who, though? Creators, or fans?
Look, I can believe that this happened, but...well, let's move onto the next point:
And who's doing the conflating? Because from where I'm standing, the conflation of "character diverse = bad" comes from SQWs. SJWs may run the formula of "character diverse = good," but hardly with the vitriol of SQWs.
I agree that the answer is no. But does making a character diverse make them a worse character?
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The Alita Challenge came as a backlash to comments made by Brie Larson. While you can draw issue with the comments, most people are emotionally mature enough to take things in their stride.
But that's what the attackers are doing as well.
Or, again, Rose Tico, or Thirteen's companions. It harkens back to what I said before, why can't poor writing just be poor writing? Why is it that if a minority character is written poorly, there's the automatic reaction that there has to be some kind of conspiracy behind it?
It's the height of weirdness to say that you remember stuff that happened to me that I don't remember myself. I personally think I would reccomend it, since I have been called everything from a racist, to a bigot, to a white supremacist, to a Nazi on these forums. Which is part of why I detest wokeness, because the woke viewpoint is that I'm the first three of those things ipso facto, regardless of what I do or don't do. But that said, none of those accusations ever happened with Doctor Who. I think I might be in the minority in thinking that a female Doctor is conceptually stupid at its core, just like a female Master (difference being that Missy's actually a pretty neat character), but I was never called sexist for it that I can recall.
Who actually called ME fans homophobic for that though? I know BioWare did try to defend the ending, but I don't recall that defence being used.
Let's say for argument's sake that's actually happened. Why are Reylo shippers being jerks an issue, and not racists driving Tran off Twitter not? Because I've got to say, there's been far more hate for the sequel trilogy than love for it than what I've seen. Which is fine, I dislike the sequel trilogy as well, but it's hate that crossed the line in a way that love didn't.
I mean, the same thing's happened with the High Republic, with it being called "woke" because...um...it's got gay characters in it? FFS, Geeks and Gamers, reprobate that he is, called the reveal trailer woke, and even his own fanbase commented that they couldn't see the wokeness.
Season 2 has the line "Mondas was never great," and "I can't believe people voted for the other guy" in light of the presidential election, and a leader vowing to build a glass dome around the city to keep alien refugees out.
Supergirl is very, very anti-Trump. Whether that's a good, bad, or neutral thing is up to you, but it isn't subtle about it. AT all.
I fully agree, except a lot of examples that have been discussed so far aren't presenting arguments at all - Last Jedi, Ghostbusters 2016, Terminator Dark Fate, etc. There's no real argument being presented about anything, yet they're still decried as "woke" or "political."
Did you even watch TLJ? Legit what you wanted is what happened in TLJ. He's afraid of his own destructive power. They explained this rejection of violence IN A BACKSTROY. Luke was FAAARRR more capable in TLJ than the original.
What are you even going on about?
And they keep chanting "Stronger Together", which was Clinton's campaign motto. In season 3 they have an angry mob yelling "lock her up" at a female CEO.
They are presenting the opinion that there's not just one way a film/society can be, which ruffles feathers, even if only it's being different by being ever so slightly diverse.
I disagree, but even if I did, it would require a complete rewrite. Part of the point of Luke doing what he does is that he couldn't succeed against the First Order conventionally. That even if Luke Skywalker, the man, isn't a perfect paragon of virtue, there's value in the legend of Luke Skywalker. Having Luke at his peak would diminish this, and arguably take away from the sequel trilogy's own characters.
First, "the Force is female" wasn't part of any official push from Disney or LucasFilm.
Second, even if it was, none of that is manifested in the works themselves. The Force is never ascribed a 'gender' in the sequel trilogy.
Third, you can have that reading if you want, but it's really, REALLY stretching it. I could just as easily have Rose showing Finn the galaxy's seedy underbelly, and use it as evidence of how a British actor is lectured by a Vietnamese actress on slavery and privilage. I won't do that, because it's such an assinine reading that no-one would (or should) take me seriously.
Fourth, let's assume that WAS the intended message. Even by its own terms, it fails. Holdo is culpable as well as Poe, even though the film doesn't really acknowledge it (to its detriment). And Poe's the one who survives, and becomes a de facto leader of the Resistance. If "men should shut up and know their place," then why is a man calling the shots after a woman has died after calling said shots? I could just as easily turn this into the idea of the film being mysogenistic, because Rose and Holdo serve Finn and Poe's character arcs, not the other way round. I won't turn it into that however, because it requires such a leap of logic to do so.
Except the difference is that Kelly Marie Tran did get racist abuse, while Karen Fukuhara didn't.
You COULD frame it as bigotry, but you're conflating a hypothetical with something that actually did happen.
The Alita Challenge occurred during the actual run, as an actual response. Home media is irrelevant.
What's fact is that Larson's comments, regardless of what you think of them, triggerred conservatives so much that they tried to frame Alita as a 'counter' to Captain Marvel.
There wasn't an alt-right attack on Rise of Skywalker, because Rise of Skywalker pandered to those who detested the Last Jedi. It goes out of its way to reverse course on Last Jedi to the detriment of its storyline.
Rose Tico? Completely sidelined, and put in the friend zone by Finn.
Holdo? She's referenced once, and her actions stated to be a "one in a million" shot.
Rey? Parentage retconned, she's now Palpatine's granddaughter, because fuck, why not?
There's 1000 things wrong with Rise of Skywalker, but intentional or not, it placated the people who thought Last Jedi was too "feminist" or "political."
Well, even then, I disagree, because there's no 'mission statement' about any of those films. In Ghostbusters 2016, society is the same as ours, no-one challenges it, the only time the gender of the 'busters is brought up is by the villain. Last Jedi isn't our world at all, and isn't setting any kind of blueprint. Dark Fate? Again, it points to (potential) issues in society, such as border control, and the risk of AI, but that's not really anything that prior Terminator films didn't do, and it's far more subtle about it than SCC.
Hassan Piker?
There's no shortage of champagne socialists in the world.
Dude, he's just doing identity politics. Logic doesn't work on that
Oh, it's like Bernie rich. Have two houses etc. Worth a couple of mill. Then people can ignore what they say
Which is fine by me for Piker
So you genuinely believe that almost all game reviews and commentary are just written for them by the studios?
Sorry dude, but that's some complete rubbish.
Except you routinely apply that also to gay characters just being presented in the same way straight characters are.
Not to mention, at the end of TLJ, people look at Leia to tell them what to do, and she says "Why are you looking at me? He's in charge" when she is the leader of the resistance and he's the too-cool-for-school maverick who keeps causing trouble.
That son of a ***** has been in my creative writing notebook!
Nah man, that just proves how woke and anti-men TLJ is. Leia, a woman, basically has to give Poe, a man, permission to lead before he's taken seriously. /s
Im sorry but if this is your argument then you must also be in favor of the people who hated Abby in The Last Of Us 2 for being a body builder in the post apocalypse where she would not have the available resources or nutrition to be as yolked as she was in that game.
Iirc correctly Jill gets yeeted out of her apartment by Nemisis and it is unlikely she would be chillin in her apartment in battlegear at all times.
Every work of fiction breaks down when you look at it too much. That isnt the point of character design or story. Good character design is remembered forever that is why Jills tube top is remembered after 20 years and why Lara Crofts design stands out still to this day over the reboots. I dunno about you but when i think tomb raider i think big titted lara in a right tank top and shorts. I have a hard time even picturing ms.generic version from the reboot.
What is wrong with treating gay characters the same? Write the story and the characters as if they were any other characters in any other story and they just so happen to be gay. If you treat it as normal and not some special fanfare then the audience will also treat it as normal and graduallt become more accepting irl. Seems like a good plan.
Except that when artists do that, there's always a vocal minority howling about an agenda being shoved down their throats.
Again, this comes down to the fact that there is a lot of bad faith criticism out there and it doesn't deserve to be acknowledged or taken seriously.
What's the line when it goes from 'normal' to 'special fanfare' though? Because to a lot of people characters being recognizably gay is already them having it shoved down their throat. A same sex couple kissing in a trailer - a totally normal thing - was already deemed just too darn gay for some. You're never going to apease these people, since to them being gay is by (their) definition not normal, and no level of inclussion will not set them off. Unless maybe it's of the Braveheart variety, I'm sure they'll like it then.
Key word "minority". Fuck those people.
I mean treat it the exact same. Like if you go gay in Mass Effect, the whole game treats Shepard the exact same and his gayness makes no difference to his character as a Commander.
One personal says "minority" you say a lot.
To me the people who complain about same sex people kissing, are the same as the people complaining that a female is showing too much skin.
Yall are the fucking same. Just two sides of the same coin.
I say ignore both sides and throw the coin away because its toxic no matter what side you land on.
Shepard isn't much of a character though, just a skin for the player to project their own story onto. Their gayness makes no difference because they're just a mannequin, and the dialoge is written as one size fits all.
A minority can still be a lot. Actually it usually is.
And if it's all the same to you then I can't say anything against that. Except one side complains about something that happens very, very rarely in mainstream media, and the other complains about something that happens a whole lot.