True, though I'd imagine that is in large part because of the owners not considering basic safety to be important, but then it's always everyone else that's the problem.
School shooting at Texas Elementary school, several children reported dead
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So I looked it up. The average AR 15 with scope, strap, bits and bells is $1500. Now I've said this before, but I really don't know much about guns, but I do have some. When I bought a bolt action rifle I went into the store, picked the one I wanted, made a deposit, they did a background check that took about a week to get back, then I went down and completed the purchase. It wasn't a one-day event.
This kid bought 2 rifles, cash, on his 18th birthday. Same day delivery?! The fuck?! How does an 18 year old have that kind of money? They're not paying that at hotdog on a stick. And what, did the gun shop start their background check process while he was still a minor? and thats now including the body armor and ammo, which is stupid expensive on its own!
This kid bought 2 rifles, cash, on his 18th birthday. Same day delivery?! The fuck?! How does an 18 year old have that kind of money? They're not paying that at hotdog on a stick. And what, did the gun shop start their background check process while he was still a minor? and thats now including the body armor and ammo, which is stupid expensive on its own!
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Part of me thinks a lot of these shootings are unhappy, people with guns, that feel unnoticed and unwanted, so they decide to do something nightmarish for the attention and to be famous if even for something terrible.
Why do people think a background check means anything with a gun?
What difference does it make if you need a background check or not? Passing a background check just means you haven't commited crimes YET, it says nothing about your potential for doing a crime in the future. So the idea that this guy got his gun same day is meaningless, if he had to do a background check that means this shooting happens a week later.
Background checks only prevent people who have already done shit from getting legal guns, it doesn't even stop them from getting illegal guns or getting a gun froma friend or family memeber.
It's the most pointless defense and outrage when talking about gun control.
It at least would have taken longer.
These kids were on their last week in school. Next week, no school. No school, no school shooting.
Would a background check have stopped him? No. But it would have slowed him down. And if we can't get rid of guns and stop shootings all together, we can at least slow them down.
"You want a job so you can afford to live? There will be an extensive interview process with multiple people, a background check, a drug test, and maybe we'll get back to you in a week or two. Oh, and you'll probably want to get a couple of these jobs, because most don't pay a living wage that allows you the typical 40-hour work week since everything is more expensive by orders of magnitude than they were several years ago, but we've chosen not to scale wages to match. And no, we don't have any baby formula."
"You need medical insurance? Well, first get the aforementioned job, then hold it down for 3 months so we know we can trust you. Then we'll take a portion of your wages each check to pay for the insurance. Even if you pay it faithfully for years and never use it, miss a payment or two, and we'll cancel the policy, so when you fall down the stairs the next day, welp, fuck off."
"You want a lethal weapon that presents a danger to your life and the lives of other? $1,500."
In this case, maybe it wouldn't have done anything, but then there are a lot of people who wouldn't pass background checks who you'd not want getting access to a gun, hey are totally worthless.
Meh, if it isn't a school it would be a church or a walmart or country music concert. Maybe the government should do something instead of sending out "thoughts and prayers" everytime one of these things happens.
"Thoughts and prayers" is the politically correct way of say, "Sucks to be you dude."
So he gets a gun from a friend, family member or illegal source. I just feel like the background check is the lamest bandaid solution to these things that they throw around.
See, I don't understand this logic. Will background checks stop ALL gun crimes? No. But it gives a potential seller the opportunity to avoid SOME of it, which is a start. Because it doesn't "fix" an issue doesn't mean it's pointless. I wear my seatbelt every time I drive my car; I've never been in a serious accident; does it then follow that my seatbelts are moot?
I'm not sure about Texas, or any other state. But where I live a "person to person" gun sale requires no background check at all. And that includes "person to person" sales at flea markets and gun shows that happen every weekend all over the state. You can walk right in, and walk out with a gun. No paperwork, no background check, no id required. The letter of the law says that someone selling a weapon to someone in a "disqualified" category can result in some liability... but in practice the defense "I didn't know I was selling to a felon" is enough to get you a slap on the wrist. And that is if you can manage to track such a weapon back to the transient show dealer who could be 8 states over a few days after the "transaction."
Frankly I don't understand why people think we have any gun regulation at all in the U.S. I know the 2nd amendment people scream about how hard it is to get a gun legally. But the laws we have are paper thin, easy to get around, and rarely enforced.
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Right but everytime there is a gun crime people cry, "There should have been a background check!" And in most cases (not all) there was and it was clean. I'm would need to go look into it but how many mass shootings, or more specifically school shootings have been done by known felons?
I found this paper that found that background check's effect on mass shootings is frankly inconclusive. https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/background-checks/mass-shootings.html This means that there is not enough data as the data they have shows next to no effect on the rate of mass shootings.
This report though suggests that other laws that SHOULD be in effect could have prevented a lot more of these things. https://www.latimes.com/projects/if-gun-laws-were-enacted/
That's just brief checks I'm sure there are probably other studies. But I think it showcases that the background check is like smallest little thing when it comes to gun crime prevention.
And aside from any financial incentive any given politician may have for doing nothing, there's also this:
And what would you have us do, if anything? Because all I hear from you is more "all or nothing" bullshit.
We need to push for some of those extra laws in regards to gun control, and we need to get the politicans bought off by NRA and similar interests the fuck out of the decision making process in regards to these laws.
Read this
https://www.latimes.com/projects/if-gun-laws-were-enacted/
What we can't quantify is how many gun crimes were prevented because of a background check that denied someone access to a gun, and that's the point. I posit that as long as I can reasonably believe that SOME were prevented, background checks are not unnecessary, pointless or useless.
What's the alternative? Remove background checks, and just let everyone who wants one buy a gun unvetted? Even IF background checks are the smallest factor when it comes to gun crime prevention, I'll take that little bit over opening the floodgates and just letting the chips fall where they may.
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