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But he's not Christian, and in the mindset of hardcore American Christians, you're either Christian or you're a child-eating liberal Satan worshipper trying to "hurt God". (That is a literal quote from Trump- he accused Biden of wanting to "hurt God".)
Trump, of course, being a model Christian. :unsure:

He does of course have a personal pastor, who - purely coincidentally, you understand - is a good-looking blonde woman who preaches prosperity gospel.

We all create Him in our image.
See above.
 

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But he's not Christian, and in the mindset of hardcore American Christians, you're either Christian or you're a child-eating liberal Satan worshipper trying to "hurt God". (That is a literal quote from Trump- he accused Biden of wanting to "hurt God".)
But Catholics are Christians?
 

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Trump, of course, being a model Christian.
Oh, they don't care. He just says he's part of the club and he's going to make everyone else act like the club says they should, and the club's perfectly happy. Actually following the teachings of Jesus is for dinks.

But Catholics are Christians?
Yes, but there's more to it than that. To clarify, the major Christian denomination in the US is Protestant. The schism between Protestant and Catholic has been an issue for about half a millennium (it was a small but not ignorable part of the Troubles), and was even an obstacle to JFK winning the Presidency. If you want to see the major differences between the two, look here. They've made nice a bit in recent history, but there's still some feeling in the US that Catholics aren't "real" Christians.
 
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I have, in fact, been called "not a Christian" in response to me telling them I'm Catholic. I don't think it was malice, I think it was genuine ignorance.
 

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That's the reason that a certain kind of British drama set in old houses can justify having secret hiding places.
 
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Ohhhh, does it go in this thread or the crypto thread or the smiley cry thread?


Had to remove links and pics, it was determined to not let me post with them.
A Logically investigation can reveal that, for the past year, two QAnon-affiliated influencers have been persuading their thousands of followers to invest in a portfolio of cryptocurrency tokens marked as fraudulent by the Stellar network — a major blockchain, alongside the better known Bitcoin and Ethereum — causing their followers to collectively lose millions of dollars, one of whom died by suicide after losing more than $100,000.

Combining conspiracizing with bad investment advice, the WhipLash347 and Quantum Stellar Initiative (which has no relationship with the Stellar network) Telegram channels coordinated to produce a weekly curated list of cryptocurrency assets, claiming that they had access to secret military intelligence and knew which assets were going to succeed. The leaders, WhipLash347 and PatriotQakes (also active in the community under her real name, Emily Tang), capitalized on distrust in both financial institutions and mainstream media to lend credence to the assets they promoted, and bombarded their tens of thousands of followers with misinformation about crypto ventures.
“I am without doubt that WhipLash347, Emily, and QSI are scam artists,” Rocky Morningside, a former admin of the QSI chats, told Logically. “[They] were promoting pump and dumps, and this appeared to be a very large and well organized Ponzi Scheme.”

WhipLash347 and the Quantum Stellar Initiative

There are two main Telegram hub channels that coordinate to share the fraudulent tokens – Quantum Stellar Initiative (QSI) and WhipLash347. The WhipLash347 channel has 277,000 subscribers and the QSI channel has 30,000.

There is also a large central chat for QSI with 10,000 subscribers, and multiple regional satellite QSI chats where locals can organize their own investment groups based on the influencers’ advice and opinions. These are labeled according to places (such as QSI Queensland).

The primary service of the chats is to provide a curated list of domains and tokens on the Stellar network, and to share information about the supposed banks, fintech companies, or metals-backed commodity ventures that are creating the tokens. This information contains a mix of conspiracy promoting content (such as links from Disclose.tv), genuine news articles, and official pages or statements from banks presented in misleading ways.

“Whiplash targets patriot-types, Q followers, financial Replacement Value enthusiasts, and the like,” a former admin for an WhipLash347/QSI-affiliated investment chat told Logically. “He uses current events, Q posts, cryptic crap, and news to duct tape it all to the QSI shitcoins.”


This extends to speculation about UFOs and the “white hats,” or secret military intelligence operatives. Morningside told us that Tang has said that aliens want us to trade cryptocurrency “as an on-ramp to familiarize ourselves with the quantum financial system until we can evolve into 5D and trade assets with our consciousness. How crazy is that?”

The QAnon community has several narratives that align with the crypto community’s ethos, beyond the general distrust of government, banks, and media. The WhipLash347/QSI channels often draw on NESARA/GESARA, a long-running pyramid scheme that asks adherents to send more money and wait for a financial redistribution that never comes. The WhipLash347/QSI channels also favorably reference the Iraqi Dinar scam of the 2000s, in which people were encouraged to buy large amounts of valueless foreign currency with the promise its value would soon skyrocket.

WhipLash347 is an anonymous personality in the QAnon community who has claimed close personal connections with Elon Musk, former President Donald Trump, and John F. Kennedy Jr, who is dead. Although at one point there was a WhipLash347 QAnon influencer account on Twitter and Facebook, the social media behavior of the WhipLash347 Telegram account makes it likely that the account has changed hands within the past year. Currently, the group mostly contains forwarded messages from other crypto investing groups, and contains far fewer Q-related posts than it did at the account’s inception.

Emily Tang, the person behind PatriotQakes, openly runs the QSI channel. She frequently hosts YouTube talks and livestreams, socializes with other QAnon followers, and occasionally attends cryptocurrency events. Conversations with former members of QSI confirmed that Tang was also an admin in the WhipLash347 group. Tang did not respond to our request for comment.


Tang has been caught out several times by other companies for promoting tokens that appear to be attached to those businesses but are actually not. The cryptocurrency company Pendulum had to issue a statement on their official Telegram channel in response to Tang, saying that it did not issue coins. Fintech company Novatti registered its concern that Tang had not checked with Novatti to check the veracity of the coin, had not taken action to correct the post when she was informed, and had blocked the Novatti executive from the QSI chat when they attempted to correct the record.

Several current admins of the WhipLash347 chat were identified but most did not reply to requests for comment. @Whiplash34SeVeN, named as an admin of the channel by QSI, did respond to request for comment, but refused to confirm or deny whether they were an admin, despite having knowledge of the chat’s operations. Whiplash34SeVeN claimed they were under a “military NDA” and could not reveal anything, and that the real WhipLash347 was in Iraq and that all the admins were in other parts of Asia. They also said that WhipLash347’s posts do not amount to financial advice, and that users are at fault if they lose money.


The case of Indus.gold

Stellar is a major blockchain that aims to facilitate the exchange of digital assets for other digital assets or for fiat money. Users buy into the network by purchasing Stellar Lumens (XLM), currently worth about $0.10, which they can then exchange for any other cryptocurrency, including entirely new ones. Stellar enables the creation of tokens with very little technical know-how.

The indus.gold URL and domain were created on February 16, 2022 and first appeared on the WhipLash347/QSI channels on February 20. Indus.gold shares an IP address with another apparently unrelated crypto domain, “quantum-system.finance,” which was shared on WhipLash347 throughout February.

Alt: a screenshot from the Quantum Stellar Initiative chat shows the quantum-system.finance domains and the indus.gold domains represented as different things.

WhipLash347 and QSI made a number of posts talking about the legitimacy of Indus.gold, claiming that a New York banking company was investing in gold around the world. Although there is an IndusInd Bank that has a product called Indus Gold, it has no relationship with the products promoted by Whiplash347 and QSI. Indus.gold minted dozens of assets, 15 of which were traded at scale. Each token that Indus.gold minted was supposedly backed by a different project — one called “Sungold” was supposedly backed by a Kazakh gold mine, and purportedly linked to the real Russian company Sungold.

Nowhere on Sungold’s webpage are any cryptocurrency assets listed, nor does it indicate it partners with cryptocurrency companies at all. Logically asked Sungold to confirm whether or not it backed any crypto assets, but it did not reply. The most recent updates displayed on the Sungold website are from 2020.

Accounts on the Stellar blockchain, also called wallets, can only be created by other wallets. They are identified with a 56 character alphanumeric code, and are commonly referred to by the last four characters of that code.


The indus.gold wallet, ending in ABDC (supposedly standing for “asset-backed digital currency), minted 900 billion Sungold tokens on March 1. Wallet ABDC sent the entire 900 billion stock of tokens to account PQOQ, which then sent the entire stock on to account 2SIA, which was created only two days before. PQOQ and ABDC were both created by the same account on February 19, wallet QUJH.

The Sungold token was first advertised on WhipLash347 and QSI on March 5. WhipLash347 posted about the Sungold token 64 times between March 30 and April 5, many of these posts were the same copy-pasted post about the supposed legitimacy of the enterprise. WhipLash347 and QSI encouraged their followers to hold onto the tokens, saying it would make the price skyrocket.

A screenshot from Whiplash347, showing the Sungold logo, the indus.gold wallet address, a conspiratorial map of companies and countries, and photos of world leaders.

a screenshot from Whiplash347, showing links to real news articles about actual gold mines. The text in the message from Whiplash implies that the gold mines back the indus.gold venture.

From March 30 to April 1, account 2SIA gradually increased the price of Sungold token. The 2SIA account was selling 18 different indus tokens at the time, all promoted on WhipLash347/QSI.

On April 1, account 2SIA sent all its remaining Sungold to the newly-created account TJZP, which traded for 1.3 million XLM, or $210,000, within three hours. That XLM was sent the same day in batches of 100,000 to a currency exchange via another account where it could be traded for Bitcoin, Ethereum, or fiat.

Account 2SIA continued selling the other indus.gold tokens through April 4. When the combined profits of all the indus.gold tokens reached a high of 10 million XLM, worth approximately $1.8 million at the time, 2SIA then split the profits into two new accounts created on April 4, where it was then sent off to a currency exchange in batches of 400,000 XLM, or approximately $80,000 at the time.

A map titled "indus Gold" showing the connections between the wallet that minted the tokens, and the wallets that made all of the profit from the tokens. Total profit was 12.6 million XLM.The indus.gold domain and its Sungold token was merely one of dozens in a long curated list, posted weekly to the WhipLash347/QSI channels. Central Bank Digital Currency, or cdbc tokens, have a direct relationship to the same wallets that controlled indus.gold. A supposed Swiss bank called Swiss Custody shares a relationship with the wallets that pushed indus and another domain called Stellar Commodities. Stellarmart.org (not to be confused with the actual StellarMart.com), DogeToken, Turkish-Gems, and many more.

In each case that Logically examined, the wallets that created the tokens were directly tied to the wallets earning an enormous profit. In most cases, the assets themselves, though apparently different, were linked on the blockchain ledger or through IP addresses of the domains hosting the websites that were supposedly promoting the assets.

A map titled "Central Bank Digital Currency" showing the connections between the wallet that minted the CBDC tokens, and the wallets that made all of the profit from the tokens. Total profit was 882,906 XLM.Swiss Custody, which is still promoted on the channel, was first promoted back in October 2021. WhipLash347 had linked to the supposed bank’s unverified Twitter page, which has a link to a broken Wix website. The domain and URL have since been changed, but the asset is still promoted. Who.is information about the domain (shared on WhipLash347 and QSI) reveals a misspelling of the French word “banque,” which they have written as “bankque.” Swiss Custody is listed as a scam on Stellar Explorer.

This has been a common problem. “On Stellar Expert, the domains took me to a Wix website. Emily claimed the white hats were upgrading the site,” said ALWarrior, a former WhipLash347 investor, to Logically. “This happened for every Indus and Swiss Custody token.”

: Domain tools information showing the domain's registrant as "Bankque depositaire Suisse," with the word "bank" spelled incorrectly in French

Some of the domains that WhipLash347 shared, although they appear to be unrelated, show similarities in registration and hosting details. These domains in many cases are created only a few days before they first appear on the WhipLash347/QSI channels. Many of the domains and assets pushed by WhipLash347 have since been delisted by the wallet app Lobstr or the Stellar network, or marked as scams by Stellar.

a map showing a list of domains shared on the Whiplash347/QSI channels. Although they are portrayed as completely unrelated cryptocurrency enterprises, metals-backed securities companies, and banks, they share an IP address.

One of the domains pushed regularly by both WhipLash347 and QSI, anclap.io, appeared to be a clone of a different crypto asset company’s website – anclaps.home – and was linked by IP address to a domain with “Whiplash347” in the URL. Archived versions of the website show it redirecting to the cloned version of the anclaps.home page.


The scale of loss

Many of the WhipLash347/QSI investors got into crypto trading as a way of earning money over the pandemic, as they were unable to work due to lockdowns, closures, or illness. While a tiny minority reported breaking even, or even netting a small profit, the vast majority lost anywhere between several hundred and tens of thousands of dollars.

People shared their stories in a Telegram chat group dedicated to warning people about WhipLash347 and QSI. They cataloged their losses – while some lost hundreds of dollars, some lost thousands, or even tens of thousands. An informal survey of one chat group of former WhipLash347/QSI investors, based on self-reported responses from 52 people, found that the estimated losses were a collected $223,494.



Message reads: I was defrauded out of $20,000 in Doge Token alone. A few thousand more in other stuff.Message reads: I lost $6000 on DogeT, S-doge, Dogef, stellarman Wins and ctgx.Message reads: I lost about 2 thousand total before I cashed out. Message reads: I lost 3k through their scams. I followed whiplash 347 invested in lobstr tokens promoted and well I'm down 3k.Message reads: I lost about 4 grand. I'd like to ring some necks personally. I also dumped my entire LOBSTR wallet to recoup what I could. 846k in CTGX alone. Bet they hated me dumping that much CTGX.

One man in Washington state (who we are not naming, at the request of his family) lost his life after suffering a huge financial loss. The man’s brother told Logically that they ran a WhipLash347/QSI regional chat investment group. The man had invested over $100,000 of his own money, spread across 30 cryptocurrency wallets, into tokens that WhipLash347 had promoted. Screenshots of these 30 wallets seen by Logically with about 500 XLM, or about $70 USD each, were all that remained — a total of $2,100 out of over $100,000 originally invested. The man died by suicide after losing his house and construction business due to unpaid debts.


Buyer beware

“The ‘shitcoin’ sector has its own weird morality when it comes to scams,” said Alex Hern, U.K. Technology Editor for The Guardian. “The underlying ethos is ‘DYOR’ – do your own research – and there’s a feeling amongst many of the investor/gamblers that losing your money to a scam is almost the victim’s fault.”

“Obfuscating the initial sales, though, is wrong in both conventional morality and the weird world of shitcoins.”

“The pattern you’ve uncovered suggests the developer is pumping a coin they hold – and so simply encouraging people to pay them money – but hiding that fact, to help maintain the fiction that they’re providing some sort of neutral advice.”

While the true number of people who lost money might not be known, estimates based on “trustlines” indicate it could be in the tens of thousands
 
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Best I can tell, this is not a traditional Catholic School to begin with. Most Catholic Schools are either tied to a parish or managed by the diocese, and this school is private funded and acts independently from the Catholic Church hierarchy.
I gathered that they were probably independent just looking at the demographics of the school

Didn't know they weren't attached to a parish but then my Catholic school wasn't attached to a parish. Is this a thing in the US?
 

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I gathered that they were probably independent just looking at the demographics of the school

Didn't know they weren't attached to a parish but then my Catholic school wasn't attached to a parish. Is this a thing in the US?
The US seems to love itself some cults.
 
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I gathered that they were probably independent just looking at the demographics of the school

Didn't know they weren't attached to a parish but then my Catholic school wasn't attached to a parish. Is this a thing in the US?
For grades K-8, typically the schools are connected to a church, often literally. High Schools tend to be operated by the diocese.
 

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Wait why that link no work? Hm. Fine, direct source it is then.

The struggle is real
I can totally get having to explain a picket line to the yoof of today. They're pretty rare.

Implying that there would be violence from the picket line is pretty ugly. No wonder the union rep was a little indignant, and I think he handled it appropriately enough.

But then, this represents a significant issue with media. Over the years, they have more and more moved to an elitist and technocratic notion of "experts" - politicians, business leaders, think tank members (those self-appointed intelligensia) and the like. This has drastically narrow the range of voices and opinions with high level media exposure - unions are one the main losers in this shift. The slightly contemptuous attitude shown by the presenter to the union boss I think represents this - plus of course that it's Sky News, which is slightly right-leaning anyway.
 
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For grades K-8, typically the schools are connected to a church, often literally. High Schools tend to be operated by the diocese.
The primary school connected to my high school wasn't really connected to a parish.

But, I remembered, the school we almost picked for our kids had a church on site.

So, maybe it's a thing here, maybe not.