Ukraine

[CM156]

I've seen claims that people are feeding Russians positions including coordinates to the Ukrainian Armed Forces via Twitter posts, which then get bombed by Ukrainian artillery. I'm not sure if that's a joke or something that's actually happening though at this point I'd believe either.

Imagine you're some random Russian soldier from the middle of nowhere and your position gets erased by the Ukrainian military because a guy with a cartoon dog avatar tweets your current location.

 

[Dalisclock]

Imagine you're some random Russian soldier from the middle of nowhere and your position gets erased by the Ukrainian military because a guy with a cartoon dog avatar tweets your current location.

Fallout was wrong. Not only does war change, it's changed for the weird. A year ago, if someone had told me Russia would invade their neighbor, only to completely faceplant and get their asses continually owned by not only a smaller military but dudes on twitter acting as freelance artillery spotters, I'd say that sounded like a farce.

 

[CM156]

Fallout was wrong. Not only does war change, it's changed for the weird. A year ago, if someone had told me Russia would invade their neighbor, only to completely faceplant and get their asses continually owned by not only a smaller military but dudes on twitter acting as freelance artillery spotters, I'd say that sounded like a farce.

Reality is stranger than fiction.
All the people who claimed that the war wouldn't happen, and that when it did happen that it would be over quickly, and that when it wasn't that Ukraine should just surrender should never be permitted to live this down. At least not for a decade or so.

 

[Dalisclock]

Reality is stranger than fiction.
All the people who claimed that the war wouldn't happen, and that when it did happen that it would be over quickly, and that when it wasn't that Ukraine should just surrender should never be permitted to live this down. At least not for a decade or so.

I've noticed a certain Kremlin apologist has been somewhat quiet lately, speaking of.

 

[CM156]

I've noticed a certain Kremlin apologist has been somewhat quiet lately, speaking of.

I wonder why.

 

[Seanchaidh]

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

 

[CM156]

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

Nobody here believes your nonsense about "Uranian Nazis." You have all the credibility of a drunken Joseph McCarthy accusing a bar stool of being a communist.
The war can end as soon as Russia has been expelled from all the territory it is illegally occupying. You know illegal occupations: It's one of those things you claim you're against, but make exceptions for when the country doing it is opposed to the USA.
Please continue making predictions though. They're amusing and they're also a good way of figuring out what's going to happen: by seeing the exact opposite. From the claim that the war won't happen, to the claim it will be over quickly with Russian victory, if I had made as many bad calls, I would have changed my identity and fled.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

 

[Dalisclock]

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

When Russia pulls out, the war can end. Then they can talk about Reparations to Ukraine and punishment for War crimes during the peace talks.

 

[Silvanus]

"Escalation" seems to have taken on a rather bizarre meaning, synonymous with defending one's own sovereign territory.

 

[CM156]

"Escalation" seems to have taken on a rather bizarre meaning, synonymous with defending one's own sovereign territory.

"How dare you fight back against my attempt to take over your country, Nazi!"

EDIT: After looking through twitter for the past few days, there seem to be two groups vocally upset most by Russia's losses: Tankies and Fascists.
What strange bedfellows.

 

[Trunkage]

"How dare you fight back against my attempt to take over your country, Nazi!"

EDIT: After looking through twitter for the past few days, there seem to be two groups vocally upset most by Russia's losses: Tankies and Fascists.
What strange bedfellows.

Well, I would call most Tankies fascie if you just remove the Capitalism stuff

 

[CM156]

Well, I would call most Tankies fascie if you just remove the Capitalism stuff

"Red Fascist" is an appropriate term.

 

[Dalisclock]

"How dare you fight back against my attempt to take over your country, Nazi!"

EDIT: After looking through twitter for the past few days, there seem to be two groups vocally upset most by Russia's losses: Tankies and Fascists.
What strange bedfellows.

I think the tankies went full fascist somewhere along the line in a wierd variation of the horseshoe theory of politics

 

[meiam]

So, very long shoot, but it seems the counter attack might have seriously shaken russian faith in the army and, by extension, Putin. This could maybe lead to stronger push for a change in leadership, probably not but its not impossible. That's the upside.

The downside is that Putin still has two serious arrow in his quiver, general mobilisation (which would be dangerous for him in its own way) and lobbing nuke around. I wonder what the global reaction would be a if a nuke was used in a civil war...

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

One of the crippling factors for the Russian army is that the morale is abysmal, and filling the ranks with people who absolutely don't want to be there won't help matters.

It'd also pretty heavily put the lie to the whole "special military operation" and "no real losses" lies.

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

The suffering would stop if the victims of the aggressor would just peacefully die.

This really is all you have left? I'd press "F" to pay respects if I had any for you.

 

[Dalisclock]

So, very long shoot, but it seems the counter attack might have seriously shaken russian faith in the army and, by extension, Putin. This could maybe lead to stronger push for a change in leadership, probably not but its not impossible. That's the upside.

The downside is that Putin still has two serious arrow in his quiver, general mobilisation (which would be dangerous for him in its own way) and lobbing nuke around. I wonder what the global reaction would be a if a nuke was used in a civil war...

I suspect the world would probably issue condemnations but not directly get invovled IF the nukes only affected Russian territory. Of course, once you get into issues like Fallout and it becomes much, much dicer. I don't know if there any international treaties on the subject but I also don't think anyone has thought seriously about anyone seriously pulling a Belka.To be fair, I have no clue about this though until fairly recently only a few nations have even had nukes and none of them seemed prone to civil war for any number of reasons.

 

[Silvanus]

"Red Fascist" is an appropriate term.

What's truly so bizarre about the tankie approach is how virulently anti-communist Putin's regime is. Far more so than Zelensky's.

Putin is much further to the right both economically and socially: hyper-corporatist, Christian-nationalist, violently suppressive of socialists (along with minority ethnicities and sexual minorities). Tankies are flagwaving for someone who would have them killed.

 

[Hades]

I see the Ukrainian Nazi fans are celebrating the latest escalation as if it means the end of the war instead of yet more dead.

Why is Ukrainians taking back Ukrainian territory after suffering an illegitimate invasion considered an escalation? Its just a step to reverting to the legitimate status quo from before 2014. The only one who's escalating is Russia.

In fact its kinda petty to begrudge Ukraine that they fight back against an enemy that wants to exterminate them.

 

[Hades]

Tankies are flagwaving for someone who would have them killed.

But what else is new. Back when they cheered for the Soviets they were considered useful idiots who'd be among the first to get executed if Russia ever took over.

The more things change the more they stay the same.