Top female Twitch streamer Amouranth stream turns dark as an apparent abusive husband comes to light

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So I suppose it's logical in some ways. But I just find it funny that she leaks this drama, gets a shitload of attention off of it, then not only is the problem resolved rapidly but also her content returns to basically normal if it even left at all, all in the span of a couple weeks.
So what though?

Abuse aside, her life is absurdly aspirational. She will never have to work, and there's literally no reason for her to keep doing anything she doesn't want to do (barring financial abuse). Her "job" is to stream on twitch and to occasionally dress up/undress and take photos of herself, for which she is rewarded not just with money but with a level of attention that borders on worship. That's not a weird thing to enjoy, and I don't know anyone who has done sex work and received that kind of attention who didn't enjoy that side of it even if they didn't like some other bits.

In general I don't like rich people, but there's a deeper principle here. Being a victim of abuse should not be conditional on maintaining some standard of purity. Trying to infer whether someone has experienced traumatic abuse from their behavior is basically impossible, because people react in very individual and situational ways. Sometimes abuse victims can be very fragile, and sometimes they can be far less fragile than most people, which is a big part of why they tend to show up disproportionately in sex work.
 
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In general I don't like rich people, but there's a deeper principle here. Being a victim of abuse should not be conditional on maintaining some standard of purity. Trying to infer whether someone has experienced traumatic abuse from their behavior is basically impossible, because people react in very individual and situational ways. Sometimes abuse victims can be very fragile, and sometimes they can be far less fragile than most people, which is a big part of why they tend to show up disproportionately in sex work.
My point is that she could and would still have all the support and simps even after changing her content formula.

I just dont understand the idea of being abused and forced to do sex work, and then continue to do the sex work once you are no longer being forced to do so. Especially since her audience is so built in that she could literally do anything else. Like there several porn stars or former porn stars on twitch that have audiences who came from watching their fucking, but stick around because they are fun to watch play video games.

She can easily change her content to something that would distance herself from the abuse, and have little impact on her fanbase and may even allow her to bring in new ones.

As a result the question i would now have, is how many new onlyfans subs does she now have from people afraid that the content there might vanish? How many people are now watching her twitter, or twitch streams because of now knowing her name?

And why are there no documents about divorce filings?

Whatever it aint my business but when you put shit out publicly that smells fishy, people have a right to question your actions.
 

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One of the first things good lawyers tell their clients when filing for divorce is not to discuss it in any way with anyone you do not have to. It’s a bit like Fight Club.
Divorce filings are public information. That's what i mean. Unless there are extreme circumstances that the court seals the records, divorce is a public court filing in the states. So if she was separating from her husband you could simply google and find she's filed for separation. Those documents do not currently exist, though they could appear later im theory it is early and filings might simply not be complete yet.
 

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I just dont understand the idea of being abused and forced to do sex work, and then continue to do the sex work once you are no longer being forced to do so. Especially since her audience is so built in that she could literally do anything else.
She can easily change her content to something that would distance herself from the abuse, and have little impact on her fanbase and may even allow her to bring in new ones.
Cause maybe she actually likes the sex work, and wants to do it on her own terms and not for someone else? Is that really so hard to believe?

Like... I've partaken in plenty of things that would be described as pleasurable for many years of my life, said things being done with someone who seriously hurt and mentally damaged me for years. Only last year did I start really being able to let it be part of my past and move on properly. Do I still partake in said things not only now, but during all the years leading up to said stage of healing, many of which were apart from this individual? Hell yeah I do/did. Why? Cause it feels fucking great, and it feels even better being done with someone that isn't a massive shitbag excuse of a human.

By your standards I should never have done such things again. Maybe being able to partake in things you enjoy despite the difficulties and past traumas are not only part of the healing process, but a piece of empowerment that takes back the control you didn't have before and allows you to experience the joys and pleasures that come from it.

Would you suggest I healed through the trauma wrong? That I didn't meet some weird perception you have in your head and thus it doesn't make sense for some reason? It only doesn't make sense because you aren't allowing yourself to understand. You can be skeptical of her, I know I am as well, I hear you on that front. But I'm not about to suggest she's a liar because she didn't take the trauma the way you think she should have. That's shortsighted and ignores her own ability to get past her troubles. It ignores the nuances that come from each individual's ability to carry on in life after a traumatic experience.

No, your point is to invalidate her account of things by saying she's not acting in the way you believe a victim of trauma should. It's cheap, underhanded and kind of gross to be totally honest.
Spot on
 
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Cause maybe she actually likes the sex work, and wants to do it on her own terms and not for someone else? Is that really so hard to believe?
It is when she claims she was doing it because of him. And made claims after her separation that she was making changes to her content. Which I would applaud. Hell I don't even care about the sex work, if she hadn't blamed her husband for forcing her to do it.

Again I'm just asking questions. If she decides to keep her career as it has been, then fine that's her call. It's the way she's gone about this whole thing that makes things not quite add up correctly.

You can be skeptical of her, I know I am as well, I hear you on that front.
I'm being skeptical this is true. And here is the thing, people are always so quick to jump onto the woman's side, "Oh I'm here for you.". "That dude is a piece of shit", etc etc. But here's the thing, when women LIE about shit like this not only does it ruin a dudes life and reputation, but it also hurts EVERY SINGLE other woman going through abusive relationships.

Like that fucking "mattress girl", who ruined that kid's life for a performance art piece or whatever the fuck her grand plan was.

I think the clout gained from being a victim has clouded people's reasoning and has outright invented things that really hurt real life social interactions. If you are a real victim of anything, assault, rape, domestic abuse, whatever, it needs to be reported to authorities and the people involved need to be investigated and sent to criminal trial if the situation requires it. It should NOT be paraded around social media platforms for karma points.

If Amouranth was getting harassed and abused in such a way, she should have cut off the stream or taken the recording of the stream to the authorities, taken whatever money, animals, and clothing she could and gone literally anywhere else (a friend, a hotel, whatever) until a restraining order can be filed and implimented and her husband could be dealt with in whatever manner, or simply divorce and separation could be situated.

I perfectly understand that in the moment of abuse, it's easy to get lost in the anguish and not know what to do, and you kind of eat it in that moment. She had a lot of resources to get away and a lot of opportunity to do so as well. Even mentioning it on stream and hoping an audience member issues a wellness check, or something subtle like that. She was not being tormented 100% of every single day nor was she always watched. Her situation was not one of, "Oh if I leave this guy im on the streets so I have to tolerate his abuse because I have no choice." She had lots of choice and lots of chances over literally years and years of being a streamer.

So yes, I'm skeptical of her whole story arc here. If she was in a bad place, she's out of it now and good for her. If it comes out that she made the whole thing up, then I will be sad, because it sucks that stunts like this are so blindly supported without question. There isn't a crime you can commit on this planet that people will not question, that's the point of the justice system. It's not perfect but we can only make it better by asking questions.
 
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I just dont understand the idea of being abused and forced to do sex work, and then continue to do the sex work once you are no longer being forced to do so.
Because sex work wasn't alleged to be the problem. The problem is that someone else took financial and emotional control over her life and forced her to do more work than she was comfortable with under threat of various consequences.

I don't see any real evidence to suggest that this has ever been about sex work or sexualization at all. It seems to be primarily about the time commitment of streaming and public appearances. Also, she's not doing sex work. She stopped posting new content to onlyfans before all this stuff came out, so really what she's doing now, if it can be called a job at all, is modelling. Modelling, whether professional industry modelling or online, can be very sexualized and encompasses a lot of grey area, but it isn't generally regarded as sex work.

Like, she has implied that her husband controlled the way she dressed as part of his control over her brand (which is a common problem with new media celebrities, her brand is effectively her life) but again, there's no indication there that the problem is sexualization, the problem is very clearly control.

IAs a result the question i would now have, is how many new onlyfans subs does she now have from people afraid that the content there might vanish?
Again, she announced she was quitting OnlyFans earlier this year.

Like, there's no nice way to say this, but she's 28, and because straight men are very, very messed up you don't see many 28 year old women making big money selling nudes. That was always going to be a limited time thing, and it's made her a multi-millionaire but it was always going to end one day.

And why are there no documents about divorce filings?
Has she said anything about filing for divorce?

Given how much money is involved in this case, filing for divorce at this point would be massively, massively stupid. You'd want to spend a lot of time consulting a lawyer, attempting mediation and so forth before even touching a document.

It is when she claims she was doing it because of him. And made claims after her separation that she was making changes to her content.
Again, why do you automatically assume that the problem is sexualization?

If you are a real victim of anything, assault, rape, domestic abuse, whatever, it needs to be reported to authorities and the people involved need to be investigated and sent to criminal trial if the situation requires it.
No, it doesn't.

See, this is where it becomes really obvious what's going on here. Because on one hand an abuse survivor shouldn't be able to take a photograph of their own cleavage without suffering debilitating trauma, and on the other we can just automatically demand that a rape victim prove their real victimhood by going to court and sitting there while a defence lawyer asks them detailed questions about the incident to try and prove they are lying, and even if they can deal with that the guy is almost certainly going to get away with it unless they break down and confess or they're black.

Why would anyone in that position go to the authorities? The authorities don't care. In fact, they will go out of their way to make the process as painful and humiliating as possible. What is the point?

It's even dumber in this case because she has literally talked about going to the police before and them doing absolutely fucking nothing, because what else do they ever do?

I'm sorry, I shouldn't get mad about this and I know you've been fed a lot of dumb copaganda about how the authorities are good people trying to help everyone, but what even is the logic here? You go to the authorities and then what? What do they do? How does the situation get better?
 

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But the victim didn't act in the way I, in my ivory tower, have decreed they should have, so they aren't a victim.
I find it cute they ignored basically everything I said from my own personal experiences and went for only the stuff that could be taken from the context Critical has spoken of previously. Though in saying this I'll likely get an "It wasn't relevant" or some other thing meant to hand wave it
 
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I find it cute they ignored basically everything I said from my own personal experiences and went for only the stuff that could be taken from the context Critical has spoken of previously. Though in saying this I'll likely get an "It wasn't relevant" or some other thing meant to hand wave it
Personal experience is personal. I didn't have anything to say to it. If anything I suppose, everyone faces abuse differently and even deals with different types and levels of abuse. The only way anyone could see it is from an outsider perspective and that perspective can only be questioning. Questions are the only way an observer could possibly understand, and it doesn't help anyone to snap at the person questioning for both understanding and advice.

Someone dealing with abuse cannot get help or advice from anyone but someone not involved in the abuse firsthand, so if the response to questions is, "Fuck you for questioning me." Then you aren't really interested in the help. The same can be said for discussions like what's been happening here, I'm asking questions because Amouranth's pulled nonsense drama for clicks, views, subs, whatever before. So my skepticism is based off her history of not being a trust worthy person and further questioned by her manipulative behavior with her fans and audience.

If that makes me the bad guy or a piece of shit. Fine I guess. But in six months when this is swept under the rug and she's still happily married there wont be any egg on my face.
 

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From what I understand, she has changed her Twitch content. Which is the content she was planning to change. It's no longer just hot tubs and asmr.

Critical is mad she didn't drop other platforms because he has a post history of being mad twitch personalities use those platforms at all. Because no matter what disclaimer he might throw up, he's very much against sex work.
 

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Personal experience is personal. If anything I suppose, everyone faces abuse differently and even deals with different types and levels of abuse.
Which I feel is why everyone's been trying to tell you the same thing. Everyone deals with it on different levels, so it's maybe not entirely right to judge how someone else is handling it. Unless...

I'm asking questions because Amouranth's pulled nonsense drama for clicks, views, subs, whatever before. So my skepticism is based off her history of not being a trust worthy person and further questioned by her manipulative behavior with her fans and audience.

If that makes me the bad guy or a piece of shit. Fine I guess. But in six months when this is swept under the rug and she's still happily married there wont be any egg on my face.
That last few sentences kinda speaks to the rest in a way that I think explains a lot. To me, it already sounds like you've made up your mind about her and the situation.
At that point, why bother with picking apart her choices both presently and in the future, her response to the allegations, how she is handling the situation, what's being put out into the public and what isn't, what she should and shouldn't be doing based on your own personal perceptions, and all else.
Is it to try and lay out all the believed facts of the situation just to call her out on any bullshit? If it were only that, I don't feel like you'd be going so hard into the direction of could've-should've-would've regarding her choices on the matter. Maybe I'm wrong?
 
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Is it to try and lay out all the believed facts of the situation just to call her out on any bullshit? If it were only that, I don't feel like you'd be going so hard into the direction of could've-should've-would've regarding her choices on the matter. Maybe I'm wrong
I mean i said before if she is lying or manipulating her audience, i think it is really fucked up because lying about something as serious as abuse hurts other people when they are actually abused because it sets examples of women making shit up for vindictive or manipulative reasons. And i only question because shes done stunts like this before.

And i am a little bias because most, if not all, of the news ive ever hear around Amouranth has been news about some shit she is pulling on her audience or twitch. So yeah, when you bullshit all the time it makes it hard for people to believe you when you're actually telling the truth.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter to me i guess. I dont believe her and unless her behavior changes or actual evidence comes to light, then i never will. But it also isnt my problem one way or the other so.../thread.