Funny events in anti-woke world

Terminal Blue

Elite Member
Legacy
Feb 18, 2010
3,923
1,792
118
Country
United Kingdom
Its certainly been effective enough for the biological field of science, and for husbandry, and for most other practical purposes.
Has it?

Again, there was a point in history (not that long ago really) when neither science or sex existed. The form of the human body was understood to be the result of magical substances and the interior nature of the soul. In other words, men and women were different because they were metaphysically different. Specifically, women were different because their souls were too weak to make them into men, and the exterior sign of this was that they had failed to extrude an external penis.

The "discovery" of sex didn't actually change very much about society. Beliefs about the intrinsic nature and capacities of men and women remained exactly the same, they were just magically transcribed into the domain of sex. Suddenly, it wasn't the female soul that was weak but the female nervous system, but the result is essentially the same.

My point here is that, from the very beginning, ideas about sex were filtered through a preexisting understanding of how things were supposed to work that not only completely predates any form of science, but was also in many ways fantastically wrong. In fact, the discovery of sex introduced a bunch of new ideas which also turned out to be wrong. It popularized the belief that women were naturally passive and asexual. Women's sexuality, after all, is superfluous to the requirements of sexual reproduction, thus it must be contrary to nature. It completely banished the idea, which so fascinated renaissance anatomists, of the genitals as composed of homologous structures, which of course they are.

In many ways, the past hundred years has been a long, painful process of removing all the pre-scientific and extraneous baggage from the idea of sex, a process that is still very much ongoing. But once we finish that process, what will be left? Once sex is reduced to the essential physical processes and structures that form its actual basis, will whatever is left be enough to have any social importance?

Personally, I hope not. The whole idea was silly, it was never created for a world that could look into and understand the human body on the level we can today. It was created for a world where things happened by magic because God wanted them to.

Exceptions, or somewhat imprecise characteristics, do not invalidate a system of categorisation. They merely necessitate that the system of categorisation is not taken to be absolute/rigid/binary, as sex is much too often assumed to be.
Again, my concern would be that once you remove the absoluteness/rigidity or binary nature of sex, what does it even mean?

I'll freely admit that this may be one area in which I am biased, or prone to wishful thinking. I'd be the first to tell you that me wanting to build an identity away from my assigned sex does not actually make the idea of sex meaningless, or mean that it won't continue to have utility to other people. But, even if just on a pedagogical level, I think one of the best ways for people to realize that sex is not absolute/rigid and binary is to face up to how deeply arbitrary it actually is. I think my perspective is a useful one, in that sense, even if it is not capital-T true.

Sexual characteristics have the single largest influence on whether someone is likely to develop those traits or not.
Sure, but I disagree that "sex" in the sense we're using it here is synonymous with sexual characteristics. It is a social (and legal) identity assigned on the basis of (a superficial observation of) sexual characteristics.

Uteruses certainly exist, and you need one in order to get pregnant, but a uterus is not defined by its role in pregnancy. It's a physical object with its own independent existence. If we decide that having a uterus makes you a special type of person called a "woman", then that definition is not actually related to pregnancy, because the uterus does not have the intrinsic purpose of facilitating pregnancy. It's a coincidental relationship in terms of how it relates to the definition of a woman.

I will concede that this same idea could be expressed in terms of correspondence and might even make more sense in those terms, but I don't think that substantially weakens the underlying argument.
 
Last edited:

The Rogue Wolf

Stealthy Carnivore
Legacy
Nov 25, 2007
16,866
9,548
118
Stalking the Digital Tundra
Gender
✅
https://www.rawstory.com/elon-musk-...-the-state-to-suppress-public-info-about-him/

TLDR: Elon Musk wants to sue the shit out of the fanboy who posted his publicly available private jet logs on Twitter. Is this how I freeze peach?
He also closed the account. Because free speech.


Shoulda made it a game, that's how you sell digital crack.
Nobody can parody Trump like Trump can. There's never been a better parody! Nobody was parodying anyone until Trump came along!

...also, I'm convinced that that picture is what he thinks he sees when he looks in the mirror.

...also also, ninety nine fucking dollars?! If I thought his followers possessed two brain cells between the lot of them, I'd expect an uproar.
 

Dalisclock

Making lemons combustible again
Legacy
Escapist +
Feb 9, 2008
11,286
7,082
118
A Barrel In the Marketplace
Country
Eagleland
Gender
Male
He also closed the account. Because free speech.


Nobody can parody Trump like Trump can. There's never been a better parody! Nobody was parodying anyone until Trump came along!

...also, I'm convinced that that picture is what he thinks he sees when he looks in the mirror.

...also also, ninety nine fucking dollars?! If I thought his followers possessed two brain cells between the lot of them, I'd expect an uproar.
Well, he does love the poorly educated and we can see why.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

TheMysteriousGX

Elite Member
Legacy
Sep 16, 2014
8,476
7,051
118
Country
United States
That’s the first time I’m seeing that link here. Are you saying that you posted that link to that story on this thread before?




You posted and linked to the Angus and Bride story twice. It is the same story by the same author. You also claimed that JK Rowing “fanfictioned up” new meanings for the goddesses name.

Said goddess has a long history of having positive aspects. Those are not new. The particular story you linked to appears to be newer than the positive aspects. It also includes a figure who does not seem to appear in Scottish or Celtic mythology

I have asked repeatedly why you think the negative aspects are any more real than the positive. You have so far refused.

What makes the positive aspects fanfiction and not the negative?
I'm sorry I'm not spoonfeeding you every parcel of information on the internet
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

TheMysteriousGX

Elite Member
Legacy
Sep 16, 2014
8,476
7,051
118
Country
United States
Which means you can’t explain why the negative aspects of Beira are valid and the positive aspects are invalid.
...none of Beira's positive aspects relate to, y'know, people, the one's that relate to animals are regarding shit like scaring deer so they hide through winter and helping roving packs of hungry wolves, and her harvest aspects largely relate to "hey dumbass, don't eat the last of your seeds".

Meanwhile, the story of Beira and the Bride, the story referenced *by the people doing press for the women's shelter*, involve Beira being eternally horrible to a woman who doesn't deserve it

Like, Zeus has his positive aspects too but he shouldn't be a namesake for a rape victim advocacy center
 
Last edited:

twistedmic

Elite Member
Legacy
Sep 8, 2009
2,542
210
68
...none of Beira's positive aspects relate to, y'know, people, the one's that relate to animals are regarding shit like scaring deer so they hide through winter and helping roving packs of hungry wolves, and her harvest aspects largely relate to "hey dumbass, don't eat the last of your seeds".

Meanwhile, the story of Beira and the Bride, the story reference *by the people doing press for the women's shelter*, involve Beira being eternally horrible to a woman who doesn't deserve it

Like, Zeus has his positive aspects too but he shouldn't be a namesake for a rape victim advocacy center
First of all, and not being sarcastic here, thank you for answering my initial question.

Secondly, was it really that hard to say from the beginning that you did not find Beira’s positive aspects to be relevant to the case?
That would have been a quick and simple answer.
As would saying the only apparent interactions Beira had with humans were negative.


Implying that any positive aspects did not exist until JKR thought them up is disingenuous.
Ignoring or not answering the question makes you look like an extremist or someone who just jumped on the bandwagon and started parroting what they heard without thinking.

Plenty of mythological figures have both negative and positive aspects that are at the very least acknowledged.


Just because something may be obvious to you does not mean it is obvious to everyone. Requests for clarification or elaboration should be assumed genuine.