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This comment sums up why elitism is sometimes good. People are idiots when it comes to long-term thinking and oftentimes are selfish fucks.

I majored in public policy and worked for a group that tried to ease zoning in the boston area. While doing that I learned that nobody actually wants affordable housing. What 99% of people who say affordable housing mean is “I want a house in the city without anything changing and I don’t want to pay taxes”
 

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What 99% of people who say affordable housing mean is “I want a house in the city without anything changing and I don’t want to pay taxes”
No, pretty sure they mean I want a third of my income to actually be able to cover renting a place to live.

 

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In what way is using matured technology to extract a resource that will almost certainly be made obsolete within the next century careless?
You're not being serious.

The thing is, the politicians you identify as conservative may not stand for those things, but you identify "conservatives" based on an entirely different conception of the word. If you spend your whole life thinking conservative simply means something like pro-business and pro-military, and you identify people who are those things as "conservatives", that set of people isn't going to line up cleanly with any other definition of conservatism.
The politicians I identified as "conservative" for that statement were the mainstream right-wing or centre-right parties in Western countries. The Republicans, Tories, CDU, and mainstream conservatives of Canada, Australia, France, and damn near all of Europe and South America. Absolutely none of whom merely stand for continuation of whatever policies are already in place. None.

You are skipping my actual rebuttals every time. I understand not every game has a conservative premise, and you're ignoring that. I made the point that the world trying to be regained in both those games is the real world status quo, and now you've ignored that.
Well, no; you've shifted it slightly to talk about "regaining" the world that we currently live in, rather than maintaining the status quo as it actually exists in those characters' environments. The latter would be the "conservative" position by your own given definition. And "regaining" our current world's status quo is not expressed as the aim by any of the protagonists I mentioned; you're projecting it onto them.
 

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That's not my description of conservatism. Individualism is not inherently conservative, it does not have to be the status quo, it just is within the current circumstances of western society.
That depends entirely on what you mean by "individualism", what your point of reference is and whose opinion you take as indicative of "Western society".

You are skipping my actual rebuttals every time. I understand not every game has a conservative premise, and you're ignoring that. I made the point that the world trying to be regained in both those games is the real world status quo, and now you've ignored that.
Which real world status quo?

The status quo of the real world is that said world is constantly changing. That has been the status quo for hundreds of years, if not forever. The real political questions are not whether change should happen, as if we could stop it even if we wanted to, but what should change and how.

Games typically do not offer the kind of explicit political endorsement you seem to be suggesting. Gordon Freeman isn't really fighting for anything, he's fighting against the Combine. The world that might hypothetically come about through his actions is not really important because it's not part of the story, but even given how little it's dealt with it's also clearly not just our world. In the narrative of Half Life, our world failed catastrophically. It surrendered to the Combine after failing to offer any meaningful resistance. Our world also doesn't have Vortigaunts living in it, or physics-breaking gravity guns, or teleportation machines. Whatever postcolonial order the human resistance is trying to create in Half Life is different than and arguably better than our world.

However, this is still only surface level, diegetic stuff. The conflicts in video games, while fictional, are often representative of real conflicts both between and within real world societies. Rapture may be a fictional underwater city, but it is based on a philosophy and political theory (a very individualistic philosophy and political theory) that many people in "Western society" subscribe to. The implicit critique within bioshock is aimed squarely at a part of our own society, at part of the existing "status quo". Because again, the status quo of our society is not a single monolithic consensus. Our society is pluralistic and dynamic. That is the status quo.
 
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Those are not synonyms.
Indeed not. But if your brand of conservatism is so rare that not a single party, government or opposition, espouses it, can you really say its more representative of what "conservatism" means to people?
 

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Indeed not. But if your brand of conservatism is so rare that not a single party, government or opposition, espouses it, can you really say its more representative of what "conservatism" means to people?
Nobody in the world espouses it exclusively. Is there anyone in the world you would look at and say "that person is exclusively progressive: they are progressive about everything and are influenced by no other political philosophy"? I can't imagine so, I would take a guess that everyone you would ever identify as progressive is conservative about some things.
 

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I guess that's not the economic class of people that go to city council meetings.
My view on NIMBY or YIMBY is this, build everywhere, but don't consistently destroy a certain group's housing more than every other group. Also, we need fewer roads, not more. Like back then they used to destroy African American housing allot for highways into the city which is a chit shit idea since roads should be around cities not in them, and it contributed to the destruction of black people's generational wealth which is even conservatives like Whatifalthist mentioned. Nowadays they like to build stuff in neighborhoods that don't vote like Asian communities, and that's annoying because it means they aren't being distributed evenly and fairly.

There was also a nuclear treatment plant built or almost built in a Hispanic area in Texas, that even Bernie Sanders supported. The dude doesn't like nuclear power. That said I have turned against most commercial forms of nuclear other than Gen 4, I think Gen 3 needs to be shut down eventually, but that's because I am for the science, not because I watched the Simpsons, and think Nuclear bad like your average Karen or Kyle would.
 

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Jordan Peterson, renowned philosopher, climate scientist, evolutionary psychologist, and now civil engineer
'well documented plan". Yeah, infrastucture tends to be deliberately planned and even have actual prepared schematics, soooo sinister.
 

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Nobody in the world espouses it exclusively. Is there anyone in the world you would look at and say "that person is exclusively progressive: they are progressive about everything and are influenced by no other political philosophy"? I can't imagine so, I would take a guess that everyone you would ever identify as progressive is conservative about some things.
In which case, you have even less cause to complain that the conservatives I identified in my initial argument-- mainstream conservative politicians and parties in Western countries-- don't count as true conservatives.
 

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Kevin McCarthy has failed to reach the threshold to become House Speaker for two votes now. Previously, noone had failed even once in the last century, because the nominating party usually coalesces around a single candidate. Not so anymore.

Third vote is underway and it looks like he'll fail again. The far-right Republicans are voting for Jim Jordan instead, even though Jordan has endorsed McCarthy.
 
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Kevin McCarthy has failed to reach the threshold to become House Speaker for two votes now. Previously, noone had failed even once in the last century, because the nominating party usually coalesces around a single candidate. Not so anymore.

Third vote is underway and it looks like he'll fail again. The far-right Republicans are voting for Jim Jordan instead, even though Jordan has endorsed McCarthy.
It's because there's a small group demanding that they be given the power to tear everything down at the slightest whim (one of their demands is for any single Congressperson to be able to initiate a vote to depose the Speaker) so that they can brag to their constituents that "we're making Congress listen to us".

I mean, I'm not complaining. I'm all for the Republican party utterly destroying itself in its blind grasping for power.
 

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Kevin McCarthy has failed to reach the threshold to become House Speaker for two votes now. Previously, noone had failed even once in the last century, because the nominating party usually coalesces around a single candidate. Not so anymore.

Third vote is underway and it looks like he'll fail again. The far-right Republicans are voting for Jim Jordan instead, even though Jordan has endorsed McCarthy.
Update: McCarthy has failed to win the third vote, and the House has passed a vote for a recess until tomorrow.

3rd vote totals
  • Jeffries (D): 212
  • McCarthy (R): 202
  • Jordan (R): 20