On the contrary, changing your actions dramatically under the pretense you can predict the future would be the option lacking caution.
Funny Events of the "Woke" world
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Yeah, if my house suddenly catches fire I'm going to suddenly and dramatically change whatever actions I was doing due to predicting a future of burns if I don't.
Wait, what?
Who's saying we should radically change our actions due to covid-19 going forward? Where's that come from?
Producing models based on established, available information, and then taking a cautious approach based on that, is hardly divination.
Ask Silvanus. I'm being accused of "complacency" because I expect a pandemic to end. I don't know what changes in behavior I'm being accused of avoiding, but they must be major, I guess.
Yeah, you're not doing that though. You're ignoring all of history prior to 2019.
It's complacency to just assume it will dwindle away to equivalent to a common cold. It's certainly not a safe assumption to build policy on at this point.
Silvanus is right that it just requires the same sort of treatment as influenza as has been done for years: supplying sufficient healthcare capacity for people with severe respiratory illness, vaccination, international monitoring to keep track of potential dangerous new variants, then relevant research (including "long covid") etc. This can be expanded or shrunk according to need as required. There's nothing radical at all, it's just SOP for this sort of illness.
No, you're not, this is another lazy rewrite. We all expect the pandemic to end.
However, you believe it will definitely fade into complete irrelevance, become much less prominent than influenza, based on a hypothesis that... a past pandemic might possibly have been a coronavirus. Supposition used as the basis for a definite conclusion is shoddy reasoning.
No: I'm restricting my modelling to established medical history, rather than taking unestablished hypotheses and then treating them as fact.
This isn't woke?
Huh? Who cares where the flu starts? Seems like it dies out where I'm at every year like clockwork (and I'm in the west).
You didn't get the joke...
Covid doesn't mutate nearly as quickly as the flu, where do you come up with this stuff? The flu mutating ridiculously fast is like its thing, it mutates so fast when you have the flu, you have like thousands of different variants in you. The flu can't duplicate itself properly and constantly makes mistakes.
No. That's just another brand trying to optimise their profits through various vapid PR advice. The only ppl who see that as "woke(tm)" are those who cannot conceive of morals existing outside of the narrow established boundaries of cynical captialist "individualism."
You're right: I thought the point was to imply she's a hypocrite for using something she has spoken against.
But no, it's just a bogstandard "hurr hurr brain damage" insult.
As I've said to tstorm, it's true that covid mutates at a lower rate. However, due to its dominance and proofreading mechanism, more significant variants of covid are arising more quickly.
With the flu, researchers endeavour to produce adapted shots to counter the upcoming dominant strains on a yearly basis. This is usually about 2 or 3. With covid, you'll notice that several variants with significant implications for healthcare systems arose in a matter of months.
Slight edit. Brands have always done vapid PR stunts. These are not different from any other ad. Make sure that you dont get swept up in culture warriors attempt to separate them as that the whole point of what they are doing. Divide and conquer
I'm going to point out that this is no different from deodorant products pretending the women will hound you if you use it or car products having anything to do with freedom. Neither product does any of this. Google, Hooters, Dominos and Hobby Lobby all do it. ALL ads are virtue signalling. That's the whole point of them. Yet, you only have problems with particular ads
How is that not woke? All companies do their woke stuff through PR.
It's selling fucking chocolate candy, you don't need to do any of that kind of messaging to sell candy. Does say Albanese make ads about women empowerment? Nope, because they sell candy. You know what type of company can make an ad about women empowerment and not be virtue signalling, a job recruiter website like Indeed or ZipRecruiter.
Uhh.... When did all this happen? I don't think a single covid variant had significant implications for healthcare systems. I work at several hospitals covering a whole hospital system and the first year of the pandemic was the only one where getting into rooms was at all troublesome and additional rooms were "annexed" from other departments for more rooms for covid patients. Since then, it's only a small handful of rooms we have to come back for because they are a covid room.
That's completely different, that's selling your product. A deodorant ad about racism or women empowerment is not selling the product and is virtue signalling. According to you guys "woke" doesn't exist then and there's no point to this thread.
What policy would you even be building? What change in behavior would come out of knowing the almost certainty it will fade away when it hasn't yet? Do you imagine I'm suggesting we stop treating sick people now because they might not be sick in the future?
Now you don't have to ask Silvanus. Feel free to ask yourself. What immediate major change in behavior are you advocating between the two possibilities here? What am I not doing that makes me complacent?
Well, the good news is, like the many, many aspects of this pandemic I have been correct about, we will know within a reasonable timeframe whether I'm right about this. I guarantee you'll still be arguing with Phoenix about the pandemic for a couple more years at least, so we can revisit this question then.
Like.... do you not understand that a deodorant doesn't give you sex? Women dont chase after you? It deodorant, that's not it's design. It was specifically made up to appeal to your identity.
You cannot be that far up your own arse not to see how things get sold to you
It's all vapid virtue signaling. No, buying M&Ms don't help women. No, buying deodorant doesn't give you any attention. No, eating Subway is not fresh and doesn't make you healthy. No, Coke doesn't give you fun, bikini parties or Santa (or a hundred other fake ways that Coke has sold itself when it's just a fizzy drink.) No, Gi Joes were never tough or mamly. They're dolls. They were made to appeal to your identity politics to suck money out of wallets
ABSOLUTE LOL
No other response is adequate. Complete head-in-the-sand delusion territory.
Yes, you've mentioned this before, when you described how you ignored basic hygiene protocols at work. It continues to be pretty concerning.
The complacent assumption that the pandemic will just sort itself out has already been affecting behaviour and policy. You can see it in how precautions have been abandoned, and how governments waited far too long to implement restrictions, and then removed all restrictions as soon as numbers started to go down, without doing the prep work (like creating functional test-and-tracing services or vaccination drives).
You can see the direct impact of this complacency in the fact that lockdowns were implemented, then removed, then had to be reimplemented when numbers rose precipitously again.... and that whole cycle was repeated over and over and over.
Complacency set in every damn time the numbers started to decrease. Only to rise right back to the levels at which the restrictions had to be reintroduced. And here we are again: with the clowns insisting that it'll definitely fade to nothing this time for sure!
So what's the behavioural/policy difference? Mostly that I don't advocate doing what has already failed four or more times over the last couple of years. Instead: Stay on the cautious side of restrictions until functional test and trace services and a more comprehensive vaccination program are in place, and then open more slowly.
I'm not too optimistic this is possible anymore in my own country, though, judging by the public mentality. It should certainly be the approach in China right now, like it should have been earlier in the US and UK.
Some people genuinely believe advertising has no effect on them. It's just a multi-billion industry for letting us know products exist and in no way tries to guide our purchasing decisions.
I've said it elsewhere: That depiction of Santa in a red-and-white fur outfit that's been popular for more than a century is all thanks to Coca-Cola. Coke's brand colors are plastered in front of our faces for months on end every year. Does it outright scream "buy our soda"? Nope. But I doubt that the Coca-Cola company is the biggest soft drink maker in the world solely because of its flavor.Some people genuinely believe advertising has no effect on them. It's just a multi-billion industry for letting us know products exist and in no way tries to guide our purchasing decisions.
It's related to the product. Odor does play a role in attraction. Do I think X deodorant will result in sex? No, but it's not some completely unrelated thing either. At worst, it'll probably make you more attractive by not smelling bad. That at least fits the product. M&Ms virtue signaling women empowerment has nothing to do with the product.
No covid variant has had nearly the impact of the original strain on hospital systems.
You always seem to never answer questions that are inconvenient to your narrative. I didn't wear gloves when recommended because they don't do anything. Then, I asked you how is me wearing gloves stopping covid spread because regardless if I did touch something that had covid on it, how is wearing gloves gonna stop covid from spreading somewhere else than if I touched it with my hands? And you never answered that. You don't follow basic logic, let alone science (that says covid doesn't spread via surfaces anyway).
You have the mental ability to not let ads affect you... Just like you can go to the grocery store and just buy what you want vs succumbing to the psychological tricks used by the grocery stores. Also, where do ya'll even see ads anymore in this day and age? Outside of watching a live sports game (which I do less and less, just watch the highlight video on Youtube usually now), I literally don't see any ads (I guess billboards are like the only ads I see nowadays).Some people genuinely believe advertising has no effect on them. It's just a multi-billion industry for letting us know products exist and in no way tries to guide our purchasing decisions.