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So it seem the Wagner group got one of their recruitment videos played on Infowars recently, a video designed to appeal to the you-know-whos of course. Can't seem to find an article about it showing on Google search yet other than the latest Knowledge Fight podcast episode, and this Scottish dude;
I doubt if Wagner recruited Americans that they'd do much fighting. Far more likely they'd be employed to do propaganda videos.
 
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Didn't you know? Africa has historically always been part of Russia. Those poor Africans have been separated from the motherland for far too long.
That sounds more like China. "A Chinese ship went there in 1400 and the local chief gave us tribute and said the Chinese Emperor was great, so it's ours in perpetuity!"
 

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A little late for Orthodox Christmas but I think Ukraine will forgive the lateness.

Those poor Ukrainian logistics officers, OTOH......
I'm wondering if it'll even be worth the trouble of supplying the american made tank if they have this many leopard.
 
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I'm wondering if it'll even be worth the trouble of supplying the american made tank if they have this many leopard.
I'm sure Ukraine will take every tank they can get their hands on at this point. The maintenance and logistics guys will go insane but if the crews can be trained on Leopard 2, they can probably operate Leopard 1 almost as easily. Can't speak for abrams but I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to transfer the experience over.

To my knowledge(which admittedly is all armchair shit so take that with as much salt as you wish), Modern tanks generally require the same skills to operate and being able to operate one type probably means most of that experience and knowledge is transferable. I'm guessing it's like "If you can drive a Honda Accord, you can pretty much drive any other car: "with the big difference you're probably not getting shot at while driving a Honda(also you can actually see shit from the drivers seat). It's mostly a matter of getting used to the performance of a particular type and learning how to operate it effectively with other tanks and infantry.

If anyone with actual Tanker experience can chime in, please do. I was in the Navy and since the US Navy has a distinct lack of Tanks(for some ungodly reason) my tank knowledge is mostly theoretical based off internet videos and articles about tank doctrine.
 
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I'm wondering if it'll even be worth the trouble of supplying the american made tank if they have this many leopard.
Leopard 1 isn't the same as Challenger 2, Leo 2 or M1A2. Leopard 1 is older generation and build for different doctrine. Leopard 1 was build when people thought that armor was obsolote because of all new anti armor weapons and nukes. It was built mobility and firepower in mind. Old 105 mm British L7 gun on it can still get the job done against most targets, but Leo 1 can't take any hits.
 

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Appears that the long-expected Russian offensive is beginning. Largest missile attack on Zaporizhzhia since the start of the war.
 

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Ramzan Kadyrov, the extreme-right ruler of Chechnya and one of Putin's closest allies in the Ukraine war, has said he has no intention to hide any more that he wishes to attack Poland.


Of course, the same justifications trotted out: "denazification" and "de-Satanisation", which are increasingly used interchangeably by figures like Kadyrov and Medvedev.

Obviously this isn't actually going to happen, because Poland is a member of NATO (almost as if membership of NATO confers safety from Russian invasion!?). But it's interesting to see just how much fever-pitch warmongering goes on among Putin's far-right allies, and just how similar the rhetoric about Nazis and Satan is.
 

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just how similar the rhetoric about Nazis and Satan is.
Odd, I was under the impression Poland's schtick is just being very, very catholic.

Inb4 some smartass points it out, yes, I know what Poland is or isn't is more or less irrelevant vis à vis the Russian rhetoric.
 

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Ramzan Kadyrov, the extreme-right ruler of Chechnya and one of Putin's closest allies in the Ukraine war, has said he has no intention to hide any more that he wishes to attack Poland.


Of course, the same justifications trotted out: "denazification" and "de-Satanisation", which are increasingly used interchangeably by figures like Kadyrov and Medvedev.

Obviously this isn't actually going to happen, because Poland is a member of NATO (almost as if membership of NATO confers safety from Russian invasion!?). But it's interesting to see just how much fever-pitch warmongering goes on among Putin's far-right allies, and just how similar the rhetoric about Nazis and Satan is.
I can't say what I think of Ramzan Kadyrov.
It might be against the rules here.
 

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Odd, I was under the impression Poland's schtick is just being very, very catholic.
I don't think the Russian Orthodox Church is one of them, but a number of other Christian denominations (particularly US Evangelical ones) consider the Catholic Church to not be Christian and/or be controlled by Satan.
 
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I don't think the Russian Orthodox Church is one of them, but a number of other Christian denominations (particularly US Evangelical ones) consider the Catholic Church to not be Christian and/or be controlled by Satan.
Well duh, obviously. They worship the wrong way.
 
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I don't think the Russian Orthodox Church is one of them, but a number of other Christian denominations (particularly US Evangelical ones) consider the Catholic Church to not be Christian and/or be controlled by Satan.
Which is annoying, because there's various real and serious reasons to condemn the Catholic Church that they could have gone for.
 
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I don't think the Russian Orthodox Church is one of them, but a number of other Christian denominations (particularly US Evangelical ones) consider the Catholic Church to not be Christian and/or be controlled by Satan.
No, that is only what some fringe reformist/protestant groups (mostly in the US) believe. And some historical potentially believed. Furthermore Catholics and Orthodox have more in common than each with Protestants.

But wasn't Kadirov Muslim, not orthodox Christian anyway? Pretty sure he was deeply into Sufism.
 

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Modern tanks generally require the same skills to operate and being able to operate one type probably means most of that experience and knowledge is transferable. I'm guessing it's like "If you can drive a Honda Accord, you can pretty much drive any other car: "with the big difference you're probably not getting shot at while driving a Honda(also you can actually see shit from the drivers seat). It's mostly a matter of getting used to the performance of a particular type and learning how to operate it effectively with other tanks and infantry.

If anyone with actual Tanker experience can chime in, please do. I was in the Navy and since the US Navy has a distinct lack of Tanks(for some ungodly reason) my tank knowledge is mostly theoretical based off internet videos and articles about tank doctrine.
I'm totally not a tanker with experience, but tanks don't have anything like the same standardisation that cars do. So whilst someone experienced in driving a tank or shooting a tank gun will probably quickly acclimatise to the basics of driving and shooting, the problem is going to be a lot of the specialised kit which provides a lot of value added, and may be much harder to learn and get used to. It might even be a load of stupid stuff like the turret rotation controls being somewhere else, because it's awful easy to instinctively reach to the place you've been used to for 10 years and not the place you need to now.
 

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Furthermore Catholics and Orthodox have more in common than each with Protestants.
Indeed. Aside from a handful of minor, wackier sects, neither the Catholics nor Orthodox consider each other heretical: their schism is essentially ecclesiastical rather than theological. All Protestants are viewed as theologically off-course by the Catholic Church, and I presume therefore also by the Orthodox, although I don't think the Orthodox have ever cared that much to make statements about it.

The Anglican church is reasonably close to Catholicism. Given religious strife, the idea was that the Anglican church should be a universal church that anyone with Catholic or Protestant leanings could find acceptable to bind everyone under one church, and so took a sort of "middle of the road" approach with plenty of liberalism for how it could be practised.
 
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