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Good on Biden. I wouldn't have hung around in a draughty cathedral for hours and hours of boring faff if I didn't have to, either. I'm not even wasting my time watching that shit on TV.
Reminds me of when Obama was in office and was doing the traditional pardoning of the turkey, and one of her daughters was caught rolling her eyes at it.
And right wing voices decried her as disrespectful, spoiled, bratty, slutty, etc...
And I was sitting there like "Wow, what a humanizing moment. A teen girl expected to stand around for hours while her dad gives a speech on the nobility of a turkey. I'd roll my eyes too"
 

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In before Tstorm tells us that the Conservatives are laughing at media gullibility because for some reason none of his texts actually matter and Tucker Carlson is a stand-up, good, honest citizen who would never say naughty things about other people and demographic groups.
"But guys, when we say that liberals are all godless pedophiles who deserve death, we're just joking!"
 

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From the Duck of Death himself :


Or maybe it's growing disillusionment with (small 'r') republicanism. I couldn't say I entirely blame them if that's the case, given their experience.
Well, most dictatorships are established out of disillusionment with democracy. Although, confusingly enough, dictatorships don't often turn out much more democratic.
 
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Well, most dictatorships are established out of disillusionment with democracy. Although, confusingly enough, dictatorships don't often turn out much more democratic.
It always starts with "if we just had one strong man to lead us, we could avoid all this bickering and become unified (under MY beliefs and desires)."
 

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It always starts with "if we just had one strong man to lead us, we could avoid all this bickering and become unified (under MY beliefs and desires)."
Well, it's the natural order as established by God. Our Father reigns in Heaven just like our father reigns in the family just like our father reigns in the country. Order, respect and obedience.

Sergio Leone mentions his post-ww2 childhood memory, when an acquaintance of his dad, an ex-fascist distressed by the situation of Italy after its defeat, was noisily ranting against Mussolini, accusing him to have lead the country to chaos and ruin, and to have fooled the whole population by empty words and his party of ruffians. He was adding that the shattered country was now in dire need of someone strong enough to clean it up, unite it and rebuild it, and manly enough lead it properly. When Leone's dad deadpan suggested "You mean someone like the Duce ?", he went "YES EXACTLY" before catching himself. Leone uses this example to argue that people don't change, that the same tricks and the same popular expectations always endure. (Hence Juan Miranda's demotivating discourse in Giu La Testa.)
 

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In before Tstorm tells us that the Conservatives are laughing at media gullibility because for some reason none of his texts actually matter and Tucker Carlson is a stand-up, good, honest citizen who would never say naughty things about other people and demographic groups.
This time, it's almost dumber. "Look everyone, Tucker Carlson thinks he's got enemies targeting him that record what he says and leaks it to left-wing media", they say in their left-wing attack pieces against Tucker based on leaks from his studio. Where's the lies or misbehavior here?
 

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Meh, that Tucker leak is kinda lame. People treating like a smoking gun when all it shows is he's paranoid and sees enemies everywhere. Cuz duh, of course he does. You could've discerned that by watching his show for 5 minutes and it's like 1/3 of the fashy mindset. Man gets unreasonably irate over candy, ffs.
 
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This time, it's almost dumber. "Look everyone, Tucker Carlson thinks he's got enemies targeting him that record what he says and leaks it to left-wing media", they say in their left-wing attack pieces against Tucker based on leaks from his studio. Where's the lies or misbehavior here?
You do not send communications of the sort Tucker Carlson did in a normal, professional, work environment: my employer would haul its staff before a disciplinary for that behaviour.
 

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decried her as disrespectful, spoiled, bratty, slutty, etc...
I can see disrespectful. I can maybe see bratty and/or spoiled, as far as they are related conduct to being disrespectful. But how do you get slutty from a teen girl rolling her eyes at her dad giving a bullshit speech about a turkey?
 

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I can see disrespectful. I can maybe see bratty and/or spoiled, as far as they are related conduct to being disrespectful. But how do you get slutty from a teen girl rolling her eyes at her dad giving a bullshit speech about a turkey?
If I had to guess, I'd say the usual prurient press obsession with what girls and women are allowed to wear in public.
 
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You do not send communications of the sort Tucker Carlson did in a normal, professional, work environment: my employer would haul its staff before a disciplinary for that behaviour.
Do you work for Fox News?
 

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Do you work for Fox News?
The implication being that... Fox news is not a normal or professional work environment, and that therefore abnormal and unprofessional communications should be accepted for anyone working there?
 
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Is a bit of a twisty tale. Tho of course, of course it's Florida.


The co-founder of the terroristic-minded neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division pleaded guilty to murdering two of his group’s members in 2017 and will serve 45 years in prison, court records show.

Devon Arthurs, 24, pleaded guilty to two counts of second-degree murder and three counts of kidnapping on May 8, the same day that he was set to appear in a Tampa, Florida-area court for his involvement in the 2017 slayings of his fellow Atomwaffen Division (AWD) members Andrew Oneschuk, 18, and Jeremy Himmelman, 22. In a statement after accepting the plea deal, Arthurs described himself as “brainwashed” by extremist groups and sought to portray himself as a potential advocate against involvement in the white power movement.

In addition to Arthurs’ 45-year prison sentence, the plea deal he signed Monday includes another 15 years of probation upon release.

Devon Arthurs


Devon Arthurs' 2022 Hillsborough County Jail booking photo via Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office

Hatewatch reached out to Arthurs via his lawyer, who declined to comment on the case.

Arthurs’ guilty plea brings an abrupt end to what would have been a two-week jury trial, originally set to take place from May 8-19 at the Hillsborough County Court in Tampa. It also represents an about-face for his defense team, which had stated its intention to rely on an insanity plea in a notice of intent filed with the court on Feb. 28. In that document, Arthurs’ lawyers said that while he “knew what he was doing, [the] Defendant did not know it was wrong” and cited his diagnosis of schizoaffective and autism spectrum disorders.

In early 2018, two court-appointed doctors told the court that they believed Arthurs suffered from a mental illness and was unfit to stand trial at the time, according to court records. Arthurs underwent treatment, and in June 2022, the court found Arthurs capable of standing trial and resumed proceedings.

The murder charges stem from an attack on May 19, 2017, when Arthurs murdered two people and held three others hostage. According to a police report filed on May 20, 2017, officers arrested Arthurs after he brandished a firearm and held multiple customers and employees hostage at the Green Planet Smoke Shop in Tampa. During that time, Arthurs, a self-proclaimed convert to radical Islam from neo-Nazism, made repeated references to U.S. bombings against Muslim-majority countries. As police escorted Arthurs to a squad car after arranging with him to release the hostages in the store, Arthurs replied to an officer’s request regarding if anyone else was hurt, saying “The people in the apartment, but they aren’t hurt, they’re dead.”

Arthurs directed police to the apartment, which he shared with AWD co-founder Brandon Russell.

Law enforcement officers found the bodies of two men, later identified as Oneschuk and Himmelman, with gunshot wounds to the upper body and head. Arthurs said he shot both men because they failed to respect his Muslim faith.

During their search of Russell and Arthurs’ apartment, police found bomb-making equipment and hate literature. Law enforcement released Russell – who had arrived home after Arthurs murdered Oneschuk and Himmelman – at the scene, only to arrest him again two days later in Key Largo, Florida. Russell was subsequently found guilty and sentenced to five years in federal prison on explosives-related charges. In early 2023, police arrested Russell once again, this time on charges of plotting terror attacks targeting energy infrastructure.

Prosecutors tried to subpoena Russell, who is currently being held in a detention center in Maryland while awaiting trial, to testify in Arthurs’ case, according to court records. On Feb. 28, a process server traveled with a subpoena to the apartment that Russell shared with Arthurs in 2017. However, in a document filed with the court on Mar. 2, the process server noted that they were unable to serve Russell because he “does not live at this address.”

‘THE ROAD TO REDEMPTION IS LONG AND HARD’
Upon filing his guilty plea on Monday, Arthurs addressed the court. He appeared to apologize for the murders and his involvement in the neo-Nazi movement. Arthurs, who co-founded AWD with Brandon Russell in 2015, said he had been “brainwashed” by extremist groups, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

“I feel I can be an advocate against extremism,” Arthurs said, per the Tampa Bay Times.

“I’d like to take this moment to tell the world to stay away from extremist groups. … I’m very sorry for everyone that was involved. I’m very sorry for everything that happened,” Arthurs said.

Patrick Richards, the executive director of Life After Hate – a non-profit that supports those trying to leave hate groups – told Hatewatch that Arthurs needed to focus “on his own disengagement and deradicalization” first.

“A guilty plea is a step toward accountability, but it is only one step. The process for successfully exiting violent extremist movements can take years,” Richards told Hatewatch in an email.

While Arthurs has spent much of the last six years in prison, his role in the movement prior to his 2017 arrest was integral. Though members of the white power movement and the media have often exclusively credited Russell with forming AWD, Arthurs played a crucial early role. In November 2015, roughly a month after Russell announced AWD’s formation on the neo-Nazi forum Iron March, Arthurs and Russell put up propaganda encouraging readers to “Join your local Nazis!” at the University of Central Florida. The action ushered AWD out of the digital realm and into the real world.

Like Russell and other AWD members, Arthurs had an account on Iron March, which he joined on March 13, 2015, under the username “TheWeissewolfe.” Internal chat logs obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center detailing the group’s inner workings between 2017 and 2018, as well as reporting from ProPublica, indicate that Russell, Arthurs and a few other future members socialized on an app called TinyChat prior to AWD’s formation.

Russell and Arthurs moved into their apartment in Tampa in spring 2017. ProPublica called the apartment a “nerve center” for the group. In footage of an interrogation following Arthurs’ arrest on May 19, 2017, which ProPublica and Frontline obtained, he described the group’s violent ambitions in detail and offered to aid law enforcement.

“These people … they know exactly how to build, they knew exactly how to build bombs that could’ve destroyed this entire building,” Arthurs told investigators, according to ProPublica.

A slew of arrests and criminal charges ultimately brought down AWD three years later. But by the time James Mason, a longtime neo-Nazi ideologue whose terroristic tome SIEGEserved as a manual for the group, announced AWD’s disbandment in early 2020, the organization’s thirst for violence had only grown. Numerous members and affiliates faced criminal charges, up to and including murder.

Brian Hughes of American University’s Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab (PERIL) shared concerns about Arthurs’ comments on leveraging his story as a cautionary tale against extremism.

“The desire to become an advocate so soon reflects the same grandiosity that characterizes participation in extremist movements in the first place. The desire to make amends is always laudable and sharing his own story may indeed serve as a warning to others,” Hughes, whose work at PERIL focuses on preventing radicalization, told Hatewatch in an email.

Patrick Richards, the executive director of Life After Hate – a non-profit that supports those trying to leave hate groups – told Hatewatch that Arthurs needed to focus “on his own disengagement and deradicalization” first.

“A guilty plea is a step toward accountability, but it is only one step. The process for successfully exiting violent extremist movements can take years,” Richards told Hatewatch in an email.

While Arthurs has spent much of the last six years in prison, his role in the movement prior to his 2017 arrest was integral. Though members of the white power movement and the media have often exclusively credited Russell with forming AWD, Arthurs played a crucial early role. In November 2015, roughly a month after Russell announced AWD’s formation on the neo-Nazi forum Iron March, Arthurs and Russell put up propaganda encouraging readers to “Join your local Nazis!” at the University of Central Florida. The action ushered AWD out of the digital realm and into the real world.

Like Russell and other AWD members, Arthurs had an account on Iron March, which he joined on March 13, 2015, under the username “TheWeissewolfe.” Internal chat logs obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center detailing the group’s inner workings between 2017 and 2018, as well as reporting from ProPublica, indicate that Russell, Arthurs and a few other future members socialized on an app called TinyChat prior to AWD’s formation.

Russell and Arthurs moved into their apartment in Tampa in spring 2017. ProPublica called the apartment a “nerve center” for the group. In footage of an interrogation following Arthurs’ arrest on May 19, 2017, which ProPublica and Frontline obtained, he described the group’s violent ambitions in detail and offered to aid law enforcement.

“These people … they know exactly how to build, they knew exactly how to build bombs that could’ve destroyed this entire building,” Arthurs told investigators, according to ProPublica.

A slew of arrests and criminal charges ultimately brought down AWD three years later. But by the time James Mason, a longtime neo-Nazi ideologue whose terroristic tome SIEGEserved as a manual for the group, announced AWD’s disbandment in early 2020, the organization’s thirst for violence had only grown. Numerous members and affiliates faced criminal charges, up to and including murder.

Brian Hughes of American University’s Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab (PERIL) shared concerns about Arthurs’ comments on leveraging his story as a cautionary tale against extremism.

“The desire to become an advocate so soon reflects the same grandiosity that characterizes participation in extremist movements in the first place. The desire to make amends is always laudable and sharing his own story may indeed serve as a warning to others,” Hughes, whose work at PERIL focuses on preventing radicalization, told Hatewatch in an email.
 

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The implication being that... Fox news is not a normal or professional work environment, and that therefore abnormal and unprofessional communications should be accepted for anyone working there?
Agema works in higher education, I believe medical higher eduction. If anything, Fox News is the more normal situation. Most jobs, even for large corporations, don't have disciplinary tribunals like Agema would.
 

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If I had to guess, I'd say the usual prurient press obsession with what girls and women are allowed to wear in public.
A young black girl in the White House. That's enough.
Conservatives frequently said the Obama daughters didn't dress like they had class - thin veiled insult that blacks don't belong among whites.
Or that they dressed like they were going on stage - again veiled that they were strippers.
Sean Hannity even said on a podcast about the two daughters going to the Bahamas for spring break they should bring Aspirin - written off as they're just booze hounds who will be hung over. In truth he was calling them sluts. "Keeping as aspirin between your knees" is a common conservative view of birth control. So long as your legs are close enough to keep an aspirin tucked in your knees, you're not a slut with open legs getting the ol' in-out.
 
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