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It'll only not happen if Trump does none of the things he promised (which is a possibility because some of the things are hard).
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Very tempting. Also electorally unviable. Voters absolutely won't respond positively to the Democrats laughing in their face and going ''lol its all your own fault'' at every setback. Even if its true.
You could do a lot of the same in the US, but 2 trillion is still a silly number. That's assuredly more than the whole federal bureaucracy combined, and you'd have to start cutting into actual payments.
I think they could definitely save on military spending, even while increasing the military budget in the places that matter. You could have a whole lot of actually better equipped soldiers just by not buying stupid Ospreys.
Do you actually believe that if Trump fulfills a single campaign promise that it will inevitably lead to the forceable conscription of the poor into hard labor?
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Actually, what I was talking about was prices going up and things generally being worse overall for the economy due to Trump's tariffs and his plan to deport immigrants. Driving up both the cost of materials and cost of labor doesn't generally decrease prices of goods.
As far as forcible labor conscription goes, it already happens, it's called prison labor. Trump has promised to put tons of people in prison, and has already promised to deport illegal immigrants. Where is cheap labor going to come from? Prisons.
Again though, none of it will happen if Trump doesn't implement his tariffs (because businesses convince him not to), or if Trump doesn't start deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers (because the logistics of it are difficult and Trump's cabinet will likely be incompetent).
I'll concede, Trump has lost a step. So has the brilliant Alan Dershowitz in his 80s. But what is left is still more than most people have to offer.
People do age and decline at radically different rates.
I watched Trump speak, off the cuff, with Rogan for 3 hours. No way Biden could have done that but insanely, neither could Kamala. She had every reason to do so. She was not doing well with men and she had a chance to speak to them. Trump's interview garnered some 90 million views. Kamala could have done the same. Again, we age at different rates. At one point in her life, though it took 2 tries, she did pass the Bar Exam. Not easy. But in her 60s, I don't think she is that same person.
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Helping them obviously didn't work, lets just try the opposite for once. Most people don't understand what the government (ie the democrat, since the republican haven't added anything to the government in forever) does for them. But they do take those advantages for granted because they've always lived with them. It's the curse of success that most advanced, successful society have to deal with. They need to understand that their vote (or apathy) have consequences, otherwise the republican party will always be seen as the "eat your cake and keep it too" party while the dem will just be uncool parent who tell them not to play knife.
I don't see republican voting dem, but they might at least not vote (or spoil their ballot) instead, and the crowd that goes"both party are bad so I won't vote" might understand that they also have a stake in election and maybe they should re evaluate their position.
I believe that Trump will do anything but admit he's wrong. If his proposals demolish the economy, he won't backtrack- he'll double-down and use anything within his means to "make it work".
Yes, I know. Good intentions saves lives right? Thoughts and prayers
Well, as you've stated many times, Trump is the lesser of two evils for you, so we will see if that's actually true
I would love for you to point to a single post of mine where I said Trump was the lesser evil. You said I've stated it many times so it should be pretty easy.
Both of them are evil. I refuse to vote for evil period, even if Harris is a "Lesser Evil". I've been very consistent in that (especially when you guys have decided that Genocide counts as a lesser evil).
That's an important step in self-growth, knowing that you're not into being shat on.
Or, contrarily, that you are.
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Well, until we all are dead from heat-stroke in 5 years as David Bowie predicted, except the billionaires in their bunkers who collected the wealth of the world and spent it on ruin, I think it's time to tune out from outer 'reality' and focus onto dumb fun enjoyable things to pass time until we meet our individual fates. Just don't let them take you down without living to regret it. If you have a chance to gouge out their eyes or bite off any soft fleshy appendages before you go down, do it.
And lets not forget this timeless message from Devo Incorporated.
Let's pretend you didnt
Trump is here. It doesn't matter what you voted. This is what you got. You're national representative
You should be happy. It's what you advocated for
Last time I looked, things were going terribly economically for Milei. Has it gotten any better
They already have Bill Clinton.
I regularly acknowledge when something I say wasn't right or didn't pan out. I also don't predict things like "Trump will mass arrest poor people and force them to work in place of illegal migrants", so I'm not wrong terribly often.
Others here say ridiculous, outlandish nonsense, and never consider if it doesn't come true.
I don't know if I should applaud your optimism or snort laugh at it. We already have Orban smelling his chance and starting a 'make Europe great again' campaign, Wilders is salivating over Trump's re-election, Meloni is obviously game, and Mark Rutte just wants everyone to be happy and is sure he can make Trump happy. Oh, and the German coalition just folded. Fucked times are ahead. More fucked than we previously thought possible.
And now that lesser evil will continue unimpeded under an even greater evil. Enjoy watching the critical voices for the Palestinian genocide evaporate now that they're scrambling to look after their own safety.
I remember reading a Nate Silver article, sometime before Biden dropped out, that a higher turnout might actually hurt Democrats. So this mysterious 15 million missing voters Democrats are blaming right now, had they manifested this year it could be angry low information voters who are casting a protest vote against Biden this time instead of Trump's mishandling of COVID.
But if they knew that Trump was a fascist and this would be the last election ever if he was elected, there's no way they would vote Trump... except it's not just Trump. Both sides are claiming this is the last election if their side loses, so who's right? Then there's the fact that 3/4ths of Independents don't trust the media, so that tactic might not have worked on them. Either they didn't get the memo (which is unlikely since they know about J6), or they don't actually believe the rhetoric.
The problem is Harris is permanently associated with the failures of the Biden administration. Voting for Harris looks like voting for 4 more years of Biden. I remember comments like "Democrats are now going to fix the problems they created" and "Democrats are acting like Trump was in office the last 4 years" which sums it up. My guess is they're angry and they have no interest in policies anymore, they don't believe it's sincere, or it's too little too late.
Of course you could claim all these failures were Trump's fault and here's why, but the problem with these is that they're not decisive. It's not "Trump did X which caused Y". It's "Actually Trump did X more than Biden", or "Trump didn't do X either", or "Y isn't happening at all, that's right-wing disinformation". These arguments work really well if you want them to be true, and not very well if you don't want them to be true.