Where was this? I haven’t had time to keep up with much here.
Oh God, no, you're right. I got doubly confused both between you and
@Schadrach and then between
@tippy2k2 and crimson. I'm incredibly sorry for the mix up. Jesus, been a long week.
Because I don't really think there was a sudden millions strong left that just went for Trump out of spite. I can tell myself that, but I suspect most either stayed home or did vote Kamala. But that would mean Trump's numbers are real and that's a worse thought.
No, I also don't think so either. This is why I started with the aside about being around the right wing in general. Between my family and my work (auto technician), and even living here in a, while now somewhat competitive, historically red state, I've had a bit of time to soak in the tepid bath water that is; yes,
this is how it is. That there is indeed a voting block of nearly 50% of all voters who will consistently and without fail just...do this. I would
love to live in a world where a coworker didn't come over and gush over how cool the stickers and slogans on the back of my dads truck the time I had to borrow it while my own car was out (said stickers and slogans calling for Fauci and others like members of our state gov to be rounded up and executed), or my where father
isn't a craven asshole who'll side with his daughters abuser (this is also after he stuck a bullet in his hand and told him that he would shoot him if he crossed his daughter). Hell, I myself am so starved for leftist shit out here that I'd love for something as small as "unions are ok", not even great or world changing, just a neutral stance would be a breath of fresh air. Literally the only solace I can take is that 50%of voters is still only 25% of the total pop, but even then and discounting another 25% of that for children and others who can't vote, that means a full quarter who see all of this and just do absolutely fuck all.
Meanwhile, all anyone even vaguely left can seem to do (to me) is sit around and point fingers and argue over whose the actual leftist like
That's why this thread makes me so upset, because if we don't come together then we're all fucked.
Going into a nose dive and thinking you can save it at the last second is the quintessential Democrat experience. Maybe that's why they stay popular? People watch them skydive without a parachute, live life on the edge.
Yeah, no doubt. Like that one joke from (speaking of nose dives) that asshole Dave Chappelle, "They're like Evel Kinevel; they get paid for the attempt." But again, I thought we hated that the Democrats pull this shit, so why try it now? But again, I don't think (or rather don't want to think) that that is what happened because the thought kills me.
I'm going to keep banging the drum that historically going left (even with lies) is more electorally sound than pandering to the right. Pandering to the right never ever works, pundits repeat it because they're paid to, but we don't have to follow those rules.
I agree 100%, it's just that I can't find a way to square that up and make it fit into how the DNC thinks will net them a win (or, at times, if they even
want to). Saying "go left to get left votes" is more esoteric and harder to explain/quantify than some brute force mathematical equation like "if we take x amount of votes from them, then they will be down x votes and we'll be up x votes and therefore win". But then again I am a cynical fuck, so who knows.
And it was the pro-Green movement that did come up with the Genocide Joe meme, it did make waves, it was popular. But it's not a policy platform and it couldn't connect with the Greens in people's minds because the Greens don't pop up in people's minds. While money isn't everything in politics, there is a strong correlation between spending and success. At the very least, you need enough to put your face on TVs and voice on radios, if you can't do that, then the people who aren't terminally online like us will never know you.
So...amongst absolutely everything going on, with all of the shit on every side, they could only get something up at the doddering old fuck, who never even made it to the election? I always hated that meme too, because it always felt like it was trying
way too hard to pin Gaza entirely on Biden (not to say we arent culpable for what's going on, we absolutely are), meanwhile Needledick is over there
actually ordering the tanks and planes (yes, almost always with American shells and bombs) to bomb the shit out of them with nary a peep (which, yes, is also an awful, ironic area of "see previous history with US" here). I mean forget "weird", the Dems had a vice-presidential candidate call the other a couch fucker, and they're the ones who need to learn and do better?
Because yes, they do (as evidenced by said pulling back on that and the weird comments to try and run to the right like they always fucking do...), but the bigger problem is this weird energy that keeps coming up where it feels like the only lesson being taken away is "this is entirely the Dems fault" for both their own loss,
and the Greens. Because a single meme about a single candidate isn't helping, certainly not to help them dodge the meme of the Green Party being nothing but a way to split the left into useless chunks. Because again, it's 2024 my dude. Yes, we are terminally online because we are talking politics on a capital-F Forum (as a quick aside, whoever decided that all internet/chat things should move from numbered pages to infinitely scrolling needs to have their shoelaces tied together permanently). But 90% of Americans have a device literally in their pocket with access to, not only the internet at large, but even larger apps like Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and YouTube usually come preloaded these days as well.
Everyone is online these days, hell, the only people who only watch cable/local TV or listen to the radio for news tend to be the very same sort of completely entrenched conservatives we keep slamming the Dems for chasing. TV killed the radio
44 years ago, and now the internet has come and killed it. This isn't to say that money isn't important, a campaign for national office takes a bit of staff who need to be paid I imagine, but to come back to the above, a good portion of them have phones with 4k capable video cameras. Literally all it takes is a potential Green candidate walking up to someone like MTG and recording a selfie video of asking them "So you're a sub right? Is 'Amen' your safeword?" and it would kill, especially if something as light as weird could whip people up. At the end of the day, we do need to figure out why it feels like they are purposefully not doing anything to actually try and win, and it can't just be "the DNC won't let them", you know? (Again though, I fully admit to not seeking out Green Party stuff ATM, so it's always possible they are doing these things already, I don't know and that's a failure on my part).
