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We get some insight into how Elmo Muskrat plans to be so goshdarn efficient.

Ask "high IQ" individuals to work 80-hour weeks for no pay.

Why didn't anyone else think of that! Genius!
It’s no surprise the guy who’s villain origin story involved an apartheid mine expect people to work for free
 

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It’s no surprise the guy who’s villain origin story involved an apartheid mine expect people to work for free
Nah, "employment is a privilege the plebs should be grateful we grant them" is actually a pretty common sentiment among tech bro wealthy.
 

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I literally told you the testimony I was referring to. His ex-GF, several people present at a sex-and-drugs party with him, and a witness to a Greenberg-Gaetz phone call.
You're combining things that aren't necessarily combined. One person has alleged Gaetz was at a sex-and-drugs party, and that's Greenberg, a man who is convicted of sex trafficking, and accused of attempted blackmail. Everyone else has only been shown to say that Gaetz knows Greenberg and met that girl at a party. For all we know, if you take out Greenberg's claims, the party they met at was a 4th of July picnic. They report the Venmo payment listing a girls nickname, but we don't know what that nickname is, or who the girl is, or any of the events around it, and the detail that's that girl's nickname again comes from Greenberg.
If you wrack your brains, you can think of a reason for investigators to be interested in payments with a memo referring to a woman, that were then relayed to three women, via a sex trafficker.
You don't even need to wrack your brains to think of reasons why investigators might drop the case. It's perfectly reasonable to investigate Gaetz based on Greenberg's testimony alone. And then law enforcement did investigate, and determined their only evidence of him actually committing a crime was a sex criminal's testimony, and they dropped it.
Though, I didn't call him a "known pedophile"
You didn't, someone else did, and you jumped in to defend statements you don't even agree with, as is tradition.
Anyway, yes, when a Democrat has this many question marks hanging over their head, i wouldn't want them near the office either. You, on the other hand, were vociferously condemning Biden over the Ukraine thing on much shakier ground.
I was not condemning Joe Biden over the Ukraine thing. I condemned Hunter Biden for taking money from questionable sources for pretending he could influence US foreign policy through his father. I thought an investigation into Joe about it would be perfectly reasonable. But as far as Joe, I have always maintained that the most likely situation is that he just has a bunch of sucky family members, which I think people can sympathize with. I have never asserted more than a slight possibility that Joe was actively involved in overseas influence peddling.

And like, it's amazing in context that you would bring this up. The suggestion from Trump that Biden should be investigated is, to you, an impeachable offense. But now with Gaetz, it's "you can think of a reason why investigators might be interested". The hypocrisy here is so blatant. A Republican can be investigated by law enforcement and left without charges and you still think them guilty, but the suggestion of an investigation into a Democrat is a crime against the nation worthy of impeachment.
 

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You're combining things that aren't necessarily combined. One person has alleged Gaetz was at a sex-and-drugs party, and that's Greenberg, a man who is convicted of sex trafficking, and accused of attempted blackmail. Everyone else has only been shown to say that Gaetz knows Greenberg and met that girl at a party. For all we know, if you take out Greenberg's claims, the party they met at was a 4th of July picnic.
This is untrue. Court filings refer to three eyewitnesses.

They report the Venmo payment listing a girls nickname, but we don't know what that nickname is, or who the girl is, or any of the events around it, and the detail that's that girl's nickname again comes from Greenberg.
Indeed we don't. Hence investigation. But payments to a sex trafficker, referencing women, which were then paid onto multiple women, is suspect.

You don't even need to wrack your brains to think of reasons why investigators might drop the case. It's perfectly reasonable to investigate Gaetz based on Greenberg's testimony alone. And then law enforcement did investigate, and determined their only evidence of him actually committing a crime was a sex criminal's testimony, and they dropped it.
The DOJ dropped it. The House Ethics Committee didn't. Until he resigned conveniently a couple of days before the report was due, leaving their jurisdiction.

You didn't, someone else did, and you jumped in to defend statements you don't even agree with, as is tradition.
Actually, I commented on this before him. When you leapt in to defend the honour of a Republican and keep the brand clean, you then gave such an egregiously simplistic and selective description that it needed correction.

And like, it's amazing in context that you would bring this up. The suggestion from Trump that Biden should be investigated is, to you, an impeachable offense. But now with Gaetz, it's "you can think of a reason why investigators might be interested". The hypocrisy here is so blatant. A Republican can be investigated by law enforcement and left without charges and you still think them guilty, but the suggestion of an investigation into a Democrat is a crime against the nation worthy of impeachment.
It's almost as if pressuring a foreign state to open a partisan investigation into a political rival isn't the same thing as a domestic agency investigating a representative of their own volition! And it's almost as if there's far more reason to suspect Gaetz of solicitation etc than to suspect Biden of financial malfeasance!

You accuse of hypocrisy freely to deflect from your own. That's transparent.
 
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Everyone who called me out on my last post, you're right, and I legitimately apologize. This is why I try not to actively get drawn into debates in general. I tend to take things too personally for too long, and I was still feeling very bitter about being told that I supported genocide because I voted for Kamala Harris, so I took way too much of what I saw as a cheap shot when shown that the other viable candidate did the exact same thing it was said Kamala Harris would do.

If any of that sounds sarcastic, just know it is because it's hard to communicate sincerity through text. I do legitimately wince at my reaction, and it takes a certain kind of person to have multiple people call them out and not at least consider if they might have been wrong, and in this case, I was.
 

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Wait and see what “ending the war quickly” will look like I guess. It’s not like our press has been able to hide the rest of the world’s opinion on what’s unfolded so far over the past thirteen months. The U.S. will always be beholden to Israel long as money is involved.
promises? What promises? Trump was famously pro Bibi the entire time. This isn’t as much Trump tricking them as much as those people maliciously choosing virtue signaling over Gaza
 

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Eyewitnesses of what? They mix the number of witnesses and the words of Greenberg and you choose to think that all 3 affidavits contain the same exact information.
Actually, I commented on this before him. When you leapt in to defend the honour of a Republican and keep the brand clean, you then gave such an egregiously simplistic and selective description that it needed correction.
Then why did you not jump in and dispute "known pedophile"? Even if you have the facts right ( you don't), that's still 1000% more selective and simplistic a characterization, but you aren't compelled to correct the record for some reason.
It's almost as if pressuring a foreign state to open a partisan investigation into a political rival isn't the same thing as a domestic agency investigating a representative of their own volition! And it's almost as if there's far more reason to suspect Gaetz of solicitation etc than to suspect Biden of financial malfeasance!
You're making imaginary distinctions. You would oppose the justice department investigating Biden. You would support Ukraine sharing info on Trump's activities abroad.

You know what the real difference is. It's only party affiliation.
 

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Innocent unto proven guilty and blah blah blah but


I'd think someone who has done nothing wrong would want a report made about them from an Ethics Committee to be released. Maybe I'm the weird one though and normal people also don't want an Ethical Committee report you pass with flying colors not be released too
 
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Eyewitnesses of what? They mix the number of witnesses and the words of Greenberg and you choose to think that all 3 affidavits contain the same exact information.
Three witnesses to his presence at the sex and drugs party, which you previously said only Greenberg had attested. The article is not ambiguous on that point.

Then why did you not jump in and dispute "known pedophile"? Even if you have the facts right ( you don't), that's still 1000% more selective and simplistic a characterization, but you aren't compelled to correct the record for some reason.
? Because I think it's less of a leap.

You're making imaginary distinctions. You would oppose the justice department investigating Biden. You would support Ukraine sharing info on Trump's activities abroad.
I would support the DOJ investigating anyone for whom there was legitimate suspicion and reason to pursue. There is for Gaetz. There isn't for Biden.

And "sharing info" about someone's activities... is an irrelevance that neither of us have objected to for either candidate, so I can only assume you're trying to concoct some other bullshit accusation from whole cloth.
 

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I'd think someone who has done nothing wrong would want a report made about them from an Ethics Committee to be released. Maybe I'm the weird one though and normal people also don't want an Ethical Committee report you pass with flying colors not be released too
I think one of the points of the Trump movement is that there should be no ethical oversight of the executive branch. That's what Americans voted for, so they may as well start here as anywhere else.
 

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That's only true if you both ignore the many components of the mainstream media that were firmly in his camp and equivocate between "being willing to criticize him" and "being against him".
Outside of Fox News, what mainstream media was in Trump's favor? Harris even got all the celebrity endorsements. Even late night talk shows are all liberal besides the one on Fox. Johnny Carson made it a point not to say who he was voting for whereas it's really fucking obvious with Colbert or Kimmel that was literally crying that Trump won.

Prove it you pathetic liar.
RussiaGate, this election is for democracy!!!, they tried to convince everyone Biden was sharp as a tack in meetings and whatnot and his public appearances is not the real Biden. It was obvious Biden was out of it years ago, stop trying to gaslight me about what I am seeing with my own 2 eyes. And remember the "cheap" fakes narrative just a few months back?


we do. But given your confusion about why people object to an anti vaxer being put in charge of health you probably don’t
This is what an actual discussion about RFK Jr and health looks like. Also, unless something changed recently, he's going to be an advisor and not in change of health. There's no way the FDA will go back on vaccinations, RFK Jr getting rid of vaccinations isn't going to happen. He's probably going to advise for more health regulations like Europe.

 

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HUH?! Surely the face eating leopard party would never eat THEIR face! Who would have thought?!

(No idea why the tweet isn't appearing, but apparently Muslims who campaigned for Trump somehow are surprised he's pro Bibi)

 

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I think one of the points of the Trump movement is that there should be no ethical oversight of the executive branch. That's what Americans voted for, so they may as well start here as anywhere else.
Just make it clear, they voted for ultra-individualism. I.e. there shouldn't be anything stopping you from doing what you want. They actual want freedom from consequences of their actions

We will see where the limits are for other people in soceity. Those limits might be small or non existent. I will assume that different demographics will get treated differently.
 

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Outside of Fox News, what mainstream media was in Trump's favor?
The MSM has been whitewashing what Trump did for years. They get away with it because they pretend to be 'unbiased' like Fox towards Trump.... but they don't actually criticism Trump as much as they should.



This is what an actual discussion about RFK Jr and health looks like. Also, unless something changed recently, he's going to be an advisor and not in change of health. There's no way the FDA will go back on vaccinations, RFK Jr getting rid of vaccinations isn't going to happen. He's probably going to advise for more health regulations like Europe.

So... way more regulations
 

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Innocent unto proven guilty and blah blah blah but


I'd think someone who has done nothing wrong would want a report made about them from an Ethics Committee to be released. Maybe I'm the weird one though and normal people also don't want an Ethical Committee report you pass with flying colors not be released too
Ethics committees are only really for the GOP to take out politcal opponents. Gaetz is back in the good books