Funny events in anti-woke world

[Hades]

There was no morphing, they've always been this way. Take it from someone who spends a lil too much time observing their media, influencers and communities: the reality is far uglier than many assume, and they exploit your tendencies to want to see the best, the most hopeful within them. But it's an old con. People keep forgetting. People keep taking them and their vast highly-funded news/misinformation networks n ecosystem at face value, despite over half a century of consistent evidence that they'll say anything as long as it gets them to power, and when they're in power they'll say anything to deflect responsibility onto everyone else. Plz try to keep all this in memory, though is understandably difficult when lives have to lived, struggles have to be endured and tragedies have to be confronted both on the personal and societal level. But they've been taking advantage of this generational political amnesia for so long now, stripping every new event of context (or relying on mere omission, usually, thanks to inadequate political education provided in legacy news), morally flattening the rest to claim it's merely no different than what you'd do - we have to be serious about what needs to change to even have the slightest fighting chance, cos what's been tried is clearly not working and actively just helping them instead.

I think you're largely correct over the Republican party as a whole. Their leaders, their strategists and their representatives. Their voters however are another issue. I don't think the typical MAGA voter was lying when they went on about how they hated Bush, and how the wars had been a disaster that they were sick of. Had this sentiment not lived in their base then the Republican party would have no need to scapegoat Bush and pretend to be isolationist. And in that sense the MAGA base really has radicalized and morphed into what they claim to hate.

Through MAGA they've been ''re educated'' on the matter and now think foreign wars, even foreign wars in the Middle East are glorious. Or deep down they always felt losing the wars was the real reason they hated it rather than the morality and casualties and thanks to their radicalisation they learned to admit that to themselves.

 

[Hades]

Its really fun to see what the oh so nuanced ''Geert Milders'' is writing when he thinks the Dutch electorate isn't looking.

Wilders wrote a piece in the far right dreck that is Breitbart where he waxes poetically about god and country in a way he'd never be caught doing at home since the Dutch are too 'sober'' to really appreciate that. Aside from stressing the importance of god he also praised Thatcher in a time where ''livelyhood security'' is a big topic for the country, as well as going full on the anti woke brigade which while having an audience is too wacky to really land with the mainstream Dutch audience due to the aforementioned soberness. And when the Dutch audience wasn't looking he was wildly flattering about Trump who even his own voters think is a complete freak. Not a word about cost of living or housing crisis though! Ol' Milders kinda let the mask slip there.

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In adition the Dutch coalition is facing its newest crisis where it may fall if the bickering parties don't find a way out of the mess. Not that I expect it to fall on this since both saint Omzight and Wilders have the spine of a banana. But what's interesting is that by all accounts they expect it to fall. Just last week Wilders blocked measures to tackle overpopulation in prison because according to him the coalition can fall any day now and he doesn't want ''Wilders releases prisoners'' to be the first headline of the campaign. The farmers party too withdrew their support from certain plans to get in the good grace of their base.

The problem is that the bungling Migration Minister's plans were reviewed by the council of state who felt it was a bunch of unsubstantiated, counterproductive gibberish and advised against implementing those plans in their current form. This review is just advisory and the government isn't obliged to listen, but pushing it through unchanged gets you the image of the government deliberately implementing bad plans purely for private gain. And this directly clashes with Saint Omzight who (allegedly) is big on good governance and rule of law.

In the past saint Omzight's party has expressed a lot of discomfort about the idea of sidelining the council of state to knowingly implement sub par legislation. Wilders on the other hand has loudly shouted he doesn't ''Even want to change a letter'' and that after he didn't get to be the prime minister, and after he didn't get to sideline parliament the PVV sacrificed enough. Wilders made it clear that if he's not allowed to implement the bad plans unchanged, then he'll bring down the coalition.

So the coalition is at real risk of falling, but because one can never trust on saint Omzight to follow his principles we can expect him to cave and the government remaining in office.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

I think you're largely correct over the Republican party as a whole. Their leaders, their strategists and their representatives. Their voters however are another issue. I don't think the typical MAGA voter was lying when they went on about how they hated Bush, and how the wars had been a disaster that they were sick of. Had this sentiment not lived in their base then the Republican party would have no need to scapegoat Bush and pretend to be isolationist. And in that sense the MAGA base really has radicalized and morphed into what they claim to hate.

Through MAGA they've been ''re educated'' on the matter and now think foreign wars, even foreign wars in the Middle East are glorious. Or deep down they always felt losing the wars was the real reason they hated it rather than the morality and casualties and thanks to their radicalisation they learned to admit that to themselves.

Ah, yeah, I forgot to clarify am usually not talking about everyday voters/citizens in regards to crucial primary sources of harm perpetuated through bad faith politics (is realpolitik the right term?) - sticking close as poss to rule of actual results in mind, praxis as key, requires laser focus on producers, investors, gatekeepers, editors, influencers and politicians shaping the realities of the passively mis/disinformed. Seeing as most the ppl I deal with in real life are in some way or another pulled into these spheres of influence, as well as living in a traditionally conservative area, it would be, at best, unhelpful to hold them in such antagonistic terms. Also can't forget being someone who knew nothing at all about politics for a lot of young adulthood: nobody told me nuffin' about the world that weren't apathy and casual racism - is the lens have kept to build communicative tools around and the target in mind to try imparting accumulated knowledge and understanding once so absent in own life towards. Have wondered how different I and many others may have turned out if instead of homelessness I just had Jordan Peterson thrust into various device algorithms during the time girls were distant and scary instead. Things could've gone darker than they already were.

Have noticed some peeps recently perceive, or vocalise this as a free will argument, but tbh the whole free will "debate" is pointless distraction leaving us chasing our own tails unless time travel's invented to test it. Though could be another semantic misunderstanding, different ppl using different words to describe the same thing or the same words to describe different things.


Anymoo, whoopsi doodles Milo said the quiet part loud again about artificially boosting popularity and recieving billionaire payouts! Poor old Tim can't Adderall-stammer his way out of everything these days, lol

 

[Thaluikhain]

But what's truly interesting is how MAGA morphed into everything they once claimed to hate when Trump unveiled his plan for ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Sending American soldiers to die in the Middle East to fight terrorism...that's BUSH! And MAGA swore they haaaated Bush. Trump the ''supremely peaceful president''(pfff!) was supposed to be a rejection of Bush and his ''neocons''. Some MAGA loonies try to spin the ethnic cleansing as ''Trump just wanting to make Gaza a nice place to live for them'', but that's exactly like Bush too. After all Bush rarely said it was about oil or settling old grudges. No, he said it was to 'help'' the Middle East by installing democracies.

"We have always been at war with Eastasia."

As an aside, though, that also applies to Bush's stated aims in Iraq. It was for regime change, but before that it was because of WMDs, and before that it was due to Al-Qaeda and/or Hussein trying to off his dad.

cos what's been tried is clearly not working and actively just helping them instead.

What's been tried by those with the power and responsibility to really do anything has been a rounding error away from zero, though. I mean, there'd probably be somewhat less genocide in Gaza under Harris than Trump, but c'mon, they could try a little harder than that.