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I think one of the most empowering things humans can do is to never watch online videos.

However, I do find it quite relaxing looking at those ones where people mix different paint colours.
I've never had a smart phone and I've never been on social media (unless you count this place and youtube); by that metric I'd be seen as a hermit living in the woods. I do watch a lot of shit on youtube though, and that alone can often break my spirit. But then it also gives me the political exhaust I do not get at all from the people in my immediate family or the mainstream media from my country.

And to think, back when I first got on youtube I just watched episodes of Naruto. *sigh*
 
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Eh, there's lots of good stuff on youtube as well, lots of public domain films from decades ago, educational pieces from yesteryear, old newsreels.
 
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I've never had a smart phone and I've never been on social media (unless you count this place and youtube); by that metric I'd be seen as a hermit living in the woods. I do watch a lot of shit on youtube though, and that alone can often break my spirit. But then it also gives me the political exhaust I do not get at all from the people in my immediate family or the mainstream media from my country.

And to think, back when I first got on youtube I just watched episodes of Naruto. *sigh*
There are a few things I watch on YouTube for entertainment, mostly comedy and gaming-related. I don't use TikTok, I don't use Intagram, I don't use FKA Twitter or its minor competitors. I have logged onto Facebook once in the last 18 months, and that was to tell everyone I wasn't using it anymore and they should email me if they want to keep in touch.

Fuck all of them. I want them and all their monopolistic, user-abusing shit atomised in a gigantic antitrust bonfire.
 

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I've never had a smart phone and I've never been on social media (unless you count this place and youtube); by that metric I'd be seen as a hermit living in the woods. I do watch a lot of shit on youtube though, and that alone can often break my spirit. But then it also gives me the political exhaust I do not get at all from the people in my immediate family or the mainstream media from my country.

And to think, back when I first got on youtube I just watched episodes of Naruto. *sigh*
I forgot to mention this, but even when you're not logged into youtube and coming in as a guest, the website itself will push alt right content or rage grifters. They'll almost always be at the very front of the page.
 

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So another lying biatch-in-a-box stand? Ok then.
This one, specifically:


She got her early popularity through a combination of vaguely resembling Boxxy (which attracted the chan crowd) and being in a relationship with another YouTuber with an at the time bigger audience (Armored Skeptic).

Her most recent video that seems to keep showing up in my feed is one in which she argues that that Sydney Sweeney ad might not be Nazi propaganda, and then mocks several women complaining about it on social media.

There are a few things I watch on YouTube for entertainment, mostly comedy and gaming-related.
Lately I've been enjoying Space Quest Historian reviews and retrospective on old adventure games, most of which I played back in the 80s or 90s. Kinda wish he'd do Conquest of the Longbow and Conquest of Camelot because I feel like he'd have absolute polar opposite views of them, especailly given how Conquest of Camelot has some of the most severe dead man walking syndrome of any Sierra game. I think only SQ2 is worse in that regard, but it's close and there are a lot more ways Conquest of Camelot can dick you.

Fuck all of them. I want them and all their monopolistic, user-abusing shit atomised in a gigantic antitrust bonfire.
If you should ever desire to use something akin to Xitter or Reddit, etc without said shit, you could always try the various fediverse alternatives - part of the whole point is to not have monopolistic control, but rather an assortment of providers sharing a protocol. I use the the Lemmy (think fediverse Reddit) instance at SDF.org, for example. Because of course I'd pick the one ran by an American non-profit that started it's life as a dialup anime BBS (the name is a Macross reference) and that's best known for their public access unix server but does a bunch fo other cool stuff too.
 

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with another YouTuber with an at the time bigger audience (Armored Skeptic).
I vaguely remember that dick wad. I didn't even know he had that big of an audience. It shows how little I cared or thought about him.

which she argues that that Sydney Sweeney ad might not be Nazi propaganda, and then mocks several women complaining about it on social media.
Spoken like a true lying biatch-in-a-box stand
 

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Of course. But it's certainly worth clarifying. Anti-vaxxers often conflate vaccines with diseases, in order to argue that vaccines causing the same issues as diseases is to be expected. It's not and they don't.



No, I've never relied on the total population for any of these risk rates.

For the myocarditis risk from the vaccine, I'm using the numbers provided in your original link, which originate in the report in Nature. That's where we get the 5 excess events per million from, from which we get 0.0005%. It is specifically within the group who had that specific vaccine, not the entire population.



You quoted 0.3% as the proportion ending up with a hospitalisation from covid, no? And 2% of hospitalised patients had arrhythmia. Which brings us to 0.006%.

How exactly is 0.006 smaller than 0.0005%?




What I find funny when you quote Paul Offit, is how out-of-step you are with what he says. He's not saying there that immunity doesn't wane, or that boosters do nothing; he's recommending against a policy mandate.

But what has he been clear on? He recommends vaccinating young kids; he recommends masking, and masked even after being vaccinated; he supported a mandate; he's clear that vaccine-related myocarditis is a much lower risk than the disease...

Paul Offit: The myocarditis associated with the viral infection or a myocarditis associated with this MIS-C, this post-infectious phenomenon, is more severe than is the myocarditis associated with a vaccine. So there are never risk free choices. There are just choices to take different risks. And I think here, clearly, the choice is to get a vaccine, which is the lesser risk.
Literally by the definition of infection, many vaccines are infections. Infection isn't necessary some bad thing, you and I both currently have active infections, they most likely will not cause any type of disease or symptoms. It's the immune response that causes the inflammation, ever heard of cytokine storm? Why do you think steroids like Dexamethasone are given to covid patients? It's to calm down the immune system, the drug doesn't attack covid. That's why viral infection (from ANY virus) is the most likely cause of myocarditis, it's the immune response to said virus that causes the inflammation. Vaccines recreate said immune response, hence that's why they end up triggering myocarditis.

That's not even close to 40x higher like you claimed. Also, 2% of hospitalized patients did NOT have arrhythmia, 2% of those that that got severe covid got arrhythmia, which is a much smaller subgroup of hospitalized patients.

I said in non-vulnerable people, severe covid risk does not wane. And this is your study:
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Paul Offit advised his own son not to get a booster.
 

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Literally by the definition of infection, many vaccines are infections.
And by any definition whatsoever, mRNA ones are not. There is no virus. There is no harmful organism.

That's not even close to 40x higher like you claimed.
Because that's your number, not mine. Pay attention.

If we use your number, we get to... just over 10x as likely. You're still nowhere near making a good point.

Also, 2% of hospitalized patients did NOT have arrhythmia, 2% of those that that got severe covid got arrhythmia, which is a much smaller subgroup of hospitalized patients.
From the title of the study referenced in the PubMed article, from which comes that percentage:

"Tachyarrhythmias during hospitalization for COVID-19 or multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children and adolescents".

I said in non-vulnerable people, severe covid risk does not wane. And this is your study:
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You never seem to properly read sources you're given, do you? You just skim for something to rob of context.

Also from my source: "A significant waning in VE over time was observed for both vaccines against COVID-19-related hospitalization and for CoronaVac against COVID-19-related mortality."

Paul Offit advised his own son not to get a booster.
So? This doesn't contradict what I'm saying.
 
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The DOD's budget just got increased by another 100 billion. Also, every old congressman may not know what a UCAV is, but they do know what a missile is, and that's a lot of munitions, and platforms that were just manufactured, and or demoed.
 
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And by any definition whatsoever, mRNA ones are not. There is no virus. There is no harmful organism.
Yes, but it's a narrower case than you might think.

A vaccine, even an mRNA vaccine, is a foreign material that invades the body, provokes an immune response that (frequently) will make someone feel a bit ill. If that's not infection, it's extraordinarily similar. In practice, infectious diseases is caused by a pathogen (or its toxins), and a pathogen is understood to be something like a virus, bacterium, parasite, fungus, etc., with an idea that the pathogen could be transferred between hosts and replicate in the next, thus the illness transmitted. That might rule out many or all vaccines.

It's also just incredibly unhelpful and confusing to say that someone is "infected" by a vaccine. Although I am sure it's a way of putting it that the anti-vax community might love the idea of, because it's liable to scare people off vaccines. Potentially of course they deliberately play on this.
 
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wait RFK.jr is Chris Pratt's wife's cousin?! Why are these ppl all related omfg lol


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Well, i'm not seeing the next Mario movie now. I didn't know Chris Pratt. It is that far deep into the maga shit.

We got something really disgusting and another case of corporations ignoring genuine murder here.
 
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And by any definition whatsoever, mRNA ones are not. There is no virus. There is no harmful organism.



Because that's your number, not mine. Pay attention.

If we use your number, we get to... just over 10x as likely. You're still nowhere near making a good point.



From the title of the study referenced in the PubMed article, from which comes that percentage:

"Tachyarrhythmias during hospitalization for COVID-19 or multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children and adolescents".



You never seem to properly read sources you're given, do you? You just skim for something to rob of context.

Also from my source: "A significant waning in VE over time was observed for both vaccines against COVID-19-related hospitalization and for CoronaVac against COVID-19-related mortality."



So? This doesn't contradict what I'm saying.
I pointed out the mRNA ones might not be infections based on semantics so many posts ago... The point is the vaccines trigger the immune response that causes inflammation and thus myocarditis. Just like it's not the viral infection (from say covid or say the flu) that causes myocarditis either, it's the immune response.

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Yes, because YOUR number made no fucking sense. There was no way that was true, just common sense will tell you that.

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Literally from your study:
Patients with tachyarrhythmias were compared with patients with severe COVID‐19–related complications without tachyarrhythmias. Tachyarrhythmias were reported in 22 of 1257 patients (1.8%) with acute COVID‐19 and 41 of 2343 (1.7%) patients with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children.

Eligible patients had acute severe COVID‐19 (admitted to the intensive care unit or stepdown unit) or MIS‐C (Data S1)


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Yeah, for vulnerable people that would be vulnerable to anything else like the flu as well. I've only claimed that normal healthy people don't need boosters (at least not yet, it could be maybe every 10 years perhaps but that is unknown).

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If immunity to severe covid waned in healthy normal people (like say Paul Offit's son), why would Paul Offit tell his son not to get a booster?
 

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I pointed out the mRNA ones might not be infections based on semantics so many posts ago...
Yes, and then you kept arguing, for reasons that escape me.

Yes, because YOUR number made no fucking sense. There was no way that was true, just common sense will tell you that.
Bud, the difference between your number and mine was 0.6. And frankly, although 0.9 is likely to be an overestimate, 0.3 is just as likely to be an underestimate.

But that doesn't matter! Because even with 0.3, we still end up with a number so much bigger than 0.0005!

Literally from your study:
Patients with tachyarrhythmias were compared with patients with severe COVID‐19–related complications without tachyarrhythmias. Tachyarrhythmias were reported in 22 of 1257 patients (1.8%) with acute COVID‐19 and 41 of 2343 (1.7%) patients with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children.

Eligible patients had acute severe COVID‐19 (admitted to the intensive care unit or stepdown unit) or MIS‐C (Data S1)
Do you think there may have been some overlap between people hospitalised by covid, and people with severe covid? :unsure:

Yeah, for vulnerable people that would be vulnerable to anything else like the flu as well. I've only claimed that normal healthy people don't need boosters (at least not yet, it could be maybe every 10 years perhaps but that is unknown).
Ah, so you believe immunity does wane but only in certain groups, and in others its everlasting? Fascinating, let's see your research!

If immunity to severe covid waned in healthy normal people (like say Paul Offit's son), why would Paul Offit tell his son not to get a booster?
Because he viewed the benefit as small or unnecessary, presumably, against a relatively minor risk. You'll have to ask him.

Vaccination against MPox isn't recommended for most people either. Do you think that means the vaccines do nothing? Or do you think its just because its not generally necessary except for certain groups?
 
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Yes, and then you kept arguing, for reasons that escape me.



Bud, the difference between your number and mine was 0.6. And frankly, although 0.9 is likely to be an overestimate, 0.3 is just as likely to be an underestimate.

But that doesn't matter! Because even with 0.3, we still end up with a number so much bigger than 0.0005!



Do you think there may have been some overlap between people hospitalised by covid, and people with severe covid? :unsure:



Ah, so you believe immunity does wane but only in certain groups, and in others its everlasting? Fascinating, let's see your research!



Because he viewed the benefit as small or unnecessary, presumably, against a relatively minor risk. You'll have to ask him.

Vaccination against MPox isn't recommended for most people either. Do you think that means the vaccines do nothing? Or do you think its just because its not generally necessary except for certain groups?
You kept saying all vaccines aren't infections and acting like I don't know what words mean. You are clearly wrong here. It's the immune response causing the myocarditis whether it's a "real" virus or a vaccine, your body doesn't care that it's a vaccine or not.
So people getting an infection induced side effect directly after getting a vaccine has literally nothing to do with the vaccine?
Nope.

Myocarditis can be caused by various things. One of them is infection. Another, in exceptionally rare near-zero circumstances, is vaccination.

Vaccines are not infections. This is the horseshit misinformation that anti-vaxxers and cranks peddle, because they cannot grasp elementary basics of medicinal science.
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You said 40x more likely and my math came to like 11x more likely (and that wasn't even the proper number as I've said literally every time). It's not my fault you can't do math.

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Obviously. But you can't compare a % of people that had severe covid with the entire group of those hospitalized from covid. Your eligible participates had to be in the ICU or have MIS-C, which is a much much much smaller pool than those hospitalized for covid.

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You literally provided said research. You do realize like nobody is getting covid boosters anymore and I don't see an uptick in normal people needing to go to the hospital over covid, do you?

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You're literally of the stance that vaccines do nothing. I'm the one saying the vaccine lasts more than a few months and you're saying it doesn't.
 

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You kept saying all vaccines aren't infections and acting like I don't know what words mean.
Actually no, I didn't. Anyway. Doesn't matter.

You said 40x more likely and my math came to like 11x more likely (and that wasn't even the proper number as I've said literally every time). It's not my fault you can't do math.
Using a different stat =/= "can't do maths", any more than it does for you. But this is irrelevant; even yours shows 11x more likely, as you say. So there's no set of numbers that make myocarditis from the vaccine a greater risk.

Obviously. But you can't compare a % of people that had severe covid with the entire group of those hospitalized from covid. Your eligible participates had to be in the ICU or have MIS-C, which is a much much much smaller pool than those hospitalized for covid.
Buddy, all of these numbers are rough estimations. Mine may be an overestimate; yours is just as likely an underestimate. This is irrelevant, because none of them result in a total lower than 0.0005%.

You literally provided said research.
And unlike yourself, I read it. Stop digging for individual sections to rob of context, and read it. Immunity wanes. Its not ambiguous.

You're literally of the stance that vaccines do nothing. I'm the one saying the vaccine lasts more than a few months and you're saying it doesn't.
.... it seems you've forgotten what we were arguing, yet again.