I want to be clear. There are people like you claim. They are just an incredibly small portion of the people that are being punished by these policies. Because the policies are not targeting those people you are worried about.That's literally the opposite of what I said in multiple ways. I said that not everyone who isn't saving is poor. I said that people who are poor are likely there for more reasons than just capitalism being rigged against them. I said many things opposite to this summary.
Are you a minimum wage earner?I got almost $1,000 sitting in my rewards on my credit card and I'll get a free $750 from Chase for opening a checking account (which I'll just close shortly after) when I meet in a month when my CD matures. You all act like saving money is so difficult.
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I was never talking about minimum wage earners (there's very few of them anyways). I don't think there's literally a place (even McDonalds) in my area that pays people minimum wage. I was talking about if you make just $40K and don't have a housing payment (say live with your parents), how can't you easily save $1K/month?Are you a minimum wage earner?
Edit: Just to be clear, the type of money you are talking about is a whole months pay, before tax
Why are you talking only about those without a housing payment?I was never talking about minimum wage earners (there's very few of them anyways). I don't think there's literally a place (even McDonalds) in my area that pays people minimum wage. I was talking about if you make just $40K and don't have a housing payment (say live with your parents), how can't you easily save $1K/month?
I agree on all points here.But what is education, if not empowerment? What is healthcare, if not empowerment (because people are no longer too sick to do stuff)? Disability support should empower disabled people to do more, and childcare empower parents to do more. You can view unemployment benefit as empowerment - you don't have to be shackled to that dead-end job that exhausts you else you'll run out of food and home, you can quit and plan something better. What are food stamps if not empowerment, because you surely have no freedom when you've starved to death.
In many cases, arguably the distinction for some is not essential to the welfare, it's a practical aspect of how people use them. Some people will be happy to live off welfare rather than work, in which case welfare could be viewed as parasitic. For other people the same welfare is a vital safety net that gives them an ability to thrive.
I would argue that the systems that have formed in the capitalist west do a better job reaching that ideal than planned economies do, with the single caveat that some people get much more than they need on top.When socialists said "from each according to his ability", the idea was that people actually work. Preferable in a job they are good at and enjoy, and get respected for. The idea has never been that everyone just gets given stuff, at least not until some futuristic superabundance.
I wouldn't say private vs public was the big distinction I was going for there, rather just the old "beggars can't be choosers". Whoever is doing the supporting in whatever capacity aside, I think there is dignity in accepting whatever is being given with gratitude, at least as much if not more than the perceived dignity of being in charge of what you get.Should we be surprised that a right winger would think privatised welfare better than socialised welfare?
"how many children are homeless in the USA -ai"Oh, you're deferring to intensely made up nonsense from over a decade ago.
The state is at least largely faceless. There can be a sense of resentment going to other people and begging them for support, because it forces the recipient to accept their inferiority. As you say, beggars can't be choosers - but no-one likes being a beggar.I wouldn't say private vs public was the big distinction I was going for there, rather just the old "beggars can't be choosers". Whoever is doing the supporting in whatever capacity aside, I think there is dignity in accepting whatever is being given with gratitude, at least as much if not more than the perceived dignity of being in charge of what you get.
Debating planned economies is a straw man: virtually no-one wants a planned economy.I would argue that the systems that have formed in the capitalist west do a better job reaching that ideal than planned economies do, with the single caveat that some people get much more than they need on top.
It's just too easy to disassemble these. If you follow the chain of information, that stat comes from this:"how many children are homeless in the USA -ai"
Why is it the first Google result? In a new private window, no less?
Anyway, here's a more recent and higher number: https://www.ncsl.org/human-services/youth-homelessness-overview
That's a cultural failing. We've treated pride as a virtue rather than a vice for too long.As you say, beggars can't be choosers - but no-one likes being a beggar.
So you acknowledge that "reality" is that youth homelessness is seventy times more than your number.It's just too easy to disassemble these. If you follow the chain of information, that stat comes from this:
Once again, a highly broad definition of homelessness, to explicitly call out couch surfing on many occasions. Additionally, their age range goes to 25, of that 4.2 million estimated homeless people, 3.5 million of them are adults. The youth portion is 700,000. So again, even going with very broad definitions of homelessness, things that include fully sheltered people just without a fixed residence at the time, your first number was at least double reality.
Pride is a virtue - at least in moderation.That's a cultural failing. We've treated pride as a virtue rather than a vice for too long.
In a number that includes people with adequate access to shelter. Their definition of homeless includes being in shelters, being fostered temporarily, sleeping on a friends couch... The other source broke down sheltered vs unsheltered, that is the number that is 1/70 of what you said.So you acknowledge that "reality" is that youth homelessness is seventy times more than your number.
All of this is wrong. Security in your worth should not be at all related to your identity. Your worth is intrinsic to your humanity, and nothing more specific than that, nothing you are or do, will ever make you worth more or less than anyone else. Things like the Pride movement tie people's self-worth to some aspect of themselves just as much as persecuting them for it does, it's all heinous.Pride is a virtue - at least in moderation.
You want agency, and you want empowerment, well then pride is part of what gives people get up and go to perform. You talked about dignity in work, and pride relates to that dignity: that people should be secure in their worth and identity. That's why the LGBTQ+ movement are called "Pride", because they deserve to feel security and worthy in their own identity.
Yes, and unicorns and rainbows and cute, little puppies. It's more useful to consider how people actually are than some notional and impossible ideal.All of this is wrong. Security in your worth should not be at all related to your identity. Your worth is intrinsic to your humanity, and nothing more specific than that, nothing you are or do, will ever make you worth more or less than anyone else.
Because I gave an anecdote of 3 friends that don't have a housing payment (2 live at home still, 1 lives in his passed away parents' house that is paid off), and none of them ever have money. I asked how don't you have money in that situation? You should be able to save like $1k/month easily in that situation. The response from people here is "Yes yes, everyone else is just bad at life." There's tons of people that are just bad with money.Why are you talking only about those without a housing payment?
About a third of lived-in properties are rented in the US, with the average rent being well over 1k per month. And among those who don't rent, ~60% have mortgage repayments. Those who have no housing payments to make constitute a relatively small, generally affluent group. Of course they'll generally be able to save more easily.
Right, but this discussion isn't fundamentally about your three friends. Nobody here knows their individual circumstances except you. We're broadly discussing how easy/difficult it is to save in America.Because I gave an anecdote of 3 friends that don't have a housing payment (2 live at home still, 1 lives in his passed away parents' house that is paid off), and none of them ever have money. I asked how don't you have money in that situation? You should be able to save like $1k/month easily in that situation. The response from people here is "Yes yes, everyone else is just bad at life." There's tons of people that are just bad with money.
I was responding to the following that isn't true at all. You don't have to be a straight or white or male or make 7 figures to have a pretty easy life in America, it's really not that hard.Right, but this discussion isn't fundamentally about your three friends. Nobody here knows their individual circumstances except you. We're broadly discussing how easy/difficult it is to save in America.
That's not the message though. Holding gay Mardi Gras in every major city is not "we are as worthy". It's the same as regular Mardi Gras, it's a self-aware celebration of pure indulgence. If you forget that, if you lose the self-awareness, you fall into the trap of thinking one groups worst impulses are the equivalent of the other's normalcy.Their answer is to have a celebratory day with parades to tell you back: yes, we are as worthy in ourselves as you. And good for them.
Dude, it's a once-a-year festival. How do you think these things work?That's not the message though. Holding gay Mardi Gras in every major city is not "we are as worthy". It's the same as regular Mardi Gras, it's a self-aware celebration of pure indulgence. If you forget that, if you lose the self-awareness, you fall into the trap of thinking one groups worst impulses are the equivalent of the other's normalcy.
Gay people are not Pride all the time, and the few who act that way are exactly as terrible as the straight perverts and drunks who act like every day is Mardis Gras.