Funny events in anti-woke world

[Phoenixmgs]

Paul Offit is not saying what you claim. That you fail to recognise this shows how poorly you understood his words in general.

Once again: in context, he is speaking on the national, societal level. He is saying that attempting to prevent mild disease circulating, through vaccination, is a fool's errand-- because protection is very time-limited.

Here's another quote from Offit: "We know that when Pfizer did its trial of 44,000 people or Moderna did a trial with 30,000 people, what they both showed was that those vaccines could prevent disease, mild, moderate, or severe disease".



Yet people do.

Tell me this. If a virus is transmitted through coughs, airborne droplets or fomite transmission, why would it be only possible to transmit through extended contact? Viruses don't need a bridge to sit there for hours. The droplet reaches you, it can infect you.



K. So when Offit says something you don't like, suddenly your appreciation for his authority disappears.



No. Initially you insinuated that lockdowns somehow necessitated these programs ending. But that was bullshit. So now you're complaining about aid getting cut, though nobody here supported that and lockdowns didn't require that either.

And what he said there was literally proven wrong in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And why he changed that opinion from the interview I'm using that was over a year later than the one you sourced.

You need to get a certain dose of a virus to get infected, hence why walking by someone sick doesn't get you sick.

I care about people saying things that make logical sense.

No, I literally linked to the article when I said it...

This does not make sense. Yes, Australia closed up before Covid got in. THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT, YOU ACTUAL DUMBASS

For example, Trump knew about COVID in Jan 2020. HE decided to keep everything open and let COIVD become unmanageable. He literally killed hundreds of thousands of people to keep the economy open

Both the left and right said covid was just the flu, you guys love rewriting history to fit your narrative that your team is the good guys and the other team is evil. Also, one of the people that you guys don't like, Marty Makary, said significant action needed to be taken in January 2020 and is now the head of the FDA. But he must be horrible because it's a Trump appointee and also a great doctor and medical expert.

Here's Fauci on FEBRUARY 29TH 2020 saying that there is no need to change your lifestyle to NEW YORK CITY.

Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, joins Weekend TODAY to discuss the threat of coronavirus and the possibility of the disease’s “community spread.”

www.today.com

Here's Rachel Maddow in March 2020 saying to deal with covid just like the flu. She also said a 2% death is fine, quite hilarious.

January 30: WHO declares public health emergency of international concern.

February 24: Trump says the coronavirus is "very much under control in the USA... the stock market starting to look very good!"

February 26 & 27: Trump says coronavirus presents "very little problem", the risk to America is minimal, and that it'll disappear like a miracle.

March 7th: Trump says he's "not concerned at all".

March 9th: Black Monday on the stock market.

March 13th: Trump declares national emergency.

Uhh.... Here's Fauci on FEBRUARY 29TH 2020 saying that there is no need to change your lifestyle to NEW YORK CITY.

Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, joins Weekend TODAY to discuss the threat of coronavirus and the possibility of the disease’s “community spread.”

www.today.com

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

And here we go: ICE shot a woman in her car after she attempted to drive away from them.

Immigration agent fatally shoots driver in Minneapolis

Follow the latest news after an ICE agent fatally shot a 37-year-old woman after a group of individuals began to block an immigration-related operation.

www.nbcnews.com

Remember, making an ICE agent afraid is domestic terrorism, but actually storming the Capitol to overturn an election is "a day of love".

 

[Silvanus]

And what he said there was literally proven wrong in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And why he changed that opinion from the interview I'm using that was over a year later than the one you sourced.

Yet in the interview you posted yourself, he's still not saying what you claimed. He's saying that you can't halt transmission nationally via vaccination. That is not the same as claiming the vaccine presents no (time-limited) protection to the individual taking it.

There was no change of opinion. You've simply ignored what he said before, and then misunderstood what he said later.

You need to get a certain dose of a virus to get infected, hence why walking by someone sick doesn't get you sick.

A "certain dose" lol.

No. The more exposure one has, the more likely a disease is to be caught, for obvious reasons; but by the very nature of a rhinovirus, a single viral particle is enough.

I care about people saying things that make logical sense.

Yet when it suits you, you'll insist that everyone else defer to authority, whether you've understood their statements or not. And when it doesn't suit, you'll do the opposite.

No, I literally linked to the article when I said it...

You link articles or studies irrelevant to your wider argument all the time. You clearly argued that lockdowns necessitated these program shutdowns. Hell, your basic argument-- which was a condemnation of lockdowns themselves-- doesn't even make sense without that claim: if lockdowns don't require such programs to shutdown, then your criticism of lockdowns disappears.

 

[thebobmaster]

And here we go: ICE shot a woman in her car after she attempted to drive away from them.

Immigration agent fatally shoots driver in Minneapolis

Follow the latest news after an ICE agent fatally shot a 37-year-old woman after a group of individuals began to block an immigration-related operation.

www.nbcnews.com

Remember, making an ICE agent afraid is domestic terrorism, but actually storming the Capitol to overturn an election is "a day of love".

Don't forget that this happened less than 10 blocks from Michael Brown. Something about that area...

 

[Gergar12]

Sadly hell would freeze over before we get a mayor that brave in my city.

 

[Agema]

Sadly hell would freeze over before we get a mayor that brave in my city.

Maybe. It's not necessarily brave, because there can often be a lot of votes in local elections telling national politicians where to shove it.

Contextually, although the public support broadly approve of tackling illegal immigration, Trump's immigration policies are well underwater, especially amongst Democratic voters and independents. As a result, assuming your city is (like many) Democratic-leaning, laying into the president and ICE is likely to be electorally beneficial.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Texas is banning teaching the radical teachings of that woke soyboy... Plato.

Texas A&M bans woke, radical teachings of Greek philosopher Plato

Texas A&M University is one of several state colleges that has reevaluated it's curriculum in recent months. Greek philosopher Plato is under attack

www.sacurrent.com

Peterson told the Chronicle the point of including the readings in the syllabus is not to teach students how to think, but rather, to teach them how to think critically and to formulate arguments supporting their point of view.

Well, there's the problem. You're not supposed to teach them to think critically; you're supposed to teach them to carry a gun and a Bible and use them both to attack people who disagree with them.

 

[Gergar12]

Maybe. It's not necessarily brave, because there can often be a lot of votes in local elections telling national politicians where to shove it.

Contextually, although the public support broadly approve of tackling illegal immigration, Trump's immigration policies are well underwater, especially amongst Democratic voters and independents. As a result, assuming your city is (like many) Democratic-leaning, laying into the president and ICE is likely to be electorally beneficial.

Not in my city of Columbus Ohio, the mayor keeps triangulating, and trying to do just as much to not piss off Trump admin while placating his base of centre to liberal supporters.

Mamdani’s Commie Housing Official Is a Lunatic | National Review

If her ideas are put into action, the usual catastrophic consequences will ensue.

www.nationalreview.com

CIA Director John Brennan was a communist too. Director of the New York City Mayor's Office to Protect Tenants is the perfect position for her.

 

[thebobmaster]

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Any good fascist state must keep the people in a constant state of fear.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Yet in the interview you posted yourself, he's still not saying what you claimed. He's saying that you can't halt transmission nationally via vaccination. That is not the same as claiming the vaccine presents no (time-limited) protection to the individual taking it.

There was no change of opinion. You've simply ignored what he said before, and then misunderstood what he said later.



A "certain dose" lol.

No. The more exposure one has, the more likely a disease is to be caught, for obvious reasons; but by the very nature of a rhinovirus, a single viral particle is enough.



Yet when it suits you, you'll insist that everyone else defer to authority, whether you've understood their statements or not. And when it doesn't suit, you'll do the opposite.



You link articles or studies irrelevant to your wider argument all the time. You clearly argued that lockdowns necessitated these program shutdowns. Hell, your basic argument-- which was a condemnation of lockdowns themselves-- doesn't even make sense without that claim: if lockdowns don't require such programs to shutdown, then your criticism of lockdowns disappears.

You don't have to say basic common sense things, I think everyone knows you get immunity from colds (upper respiratory infections) for a short time after getting over one, hence why no one gets a head cold, gets over it, and then gets the flu a week later.

He literally said he's wishes to go back in time to say different things about protection (as they were wrong with the messaging).
Yeah, I would wish we could go back in time. And when those data were presented, we could have said this protection against mild disease is not going to last given the nature of this infection. And given the way these trials were done, that’s not going to last. And we did the opposite.

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There's literally a term for it "infectious dose".

How many microbes need to enter the body before we start to feel sick?
This varies by pathogen and is known as a microbe’s “infectious dose.” Usually it takes quite a few, but some microbes require an incredibly small number of organisms to start an infection.

How Many Microbes Does It Take to Make You Sick? | Quanta Magazine

Exposure to a virus isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. The concept of “infectious dose” suggests ways to keep ourselves safer from harm.

www.quantamagazine.org

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We knew far before the outbreak in Massachusetts that the vaccine didn't protect against infection and transmission when Israel had their biggest outbreak post-vaccination. That's just basic logic you saw with your own 2 eyes, you don't need an expert like Paul Offit telling you something that you could see yourself. Then, Paul Offit said by the nature of the virus that isn't possible, that would've been nice if that was said BEFOREHAND vs all the misinformation from experts and government agencies.

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Literally from the article.
The full effect of the pandemic - and ensuing lockdowns - is just starting to become clear as countries take stock of their public health and education programmes.

 

[Silvanus]

You don't have to say basic common sense things, I think everyone knows you get immunity from colds (upper respiratory infections) for a short time after getting over one, hence why no one gets a head cold, gets over it, and then gets the flu a week later.

I don't know what this is in response to. It doesn't seem to relate to anything said in the post before.

He literally said he's wishes to go back in time to say different things about protection (as they were wrong with the messaging).
Yeah, I would wish we could go back in time. And when those data were presented, we could have said this protection against mild disease is not going to last given the nature of this infection. And given the way these trials were done, that’s not going to last. And we did the opposite.

Not going to last. To last. That is not the same as saying it doesn't exist.

There's literally a term for it "infectious dose".

How many microbes need to enter the body before we start to feel sick?
This varies by pathogen and is known as a microbe’s “infectious dose.” Usually it takes quite a few, but some microbes require an incredibly small number of organisms to start an infection.

How Many Microbes Does It Take to Make You Sick? | Quanta Magazine

Exposure to a virus isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. The concept of “infectious dose” suggests ways to keep ourselves safer from harm.

www.quantamagazine.org

Oh, I love it when you do this-- accidentally present a source that substantiates what I'm saying!

So, as your own quote shows, the "infectious dose" varies hugely by pathogen. And if we read on a bit, we see that the "infectious dose" is on the low side for both Covid-19 and "common cold" coronaviruses:

"These studies suggest that one reason the virus is so easily transmissible is because it has a relatively low infectious dose, similar to other respiratory viruses such as RSV and “common cold” coronaviruses (and lower than the infectious dose of most strains of influenza virus)."

"it’s theoretically possible to get a dose large enough to start an infection in just a minute of close contact".

And it links to the pubmed article that shows the estimated infectious dose for "common cold" coronaviruses and rhinoviruses is very, very low-- from 0.032 TCID-50 to 13 TCID-50. For context, that's easily low enough to be carried in a few coughs or breaths.

We knew far before the outbreak in Massachusetts that the vaccine didn't protect against infection and transmission when Israel had their biggest outbreak post-vaccination. That's just basic logic [...]

No: all this proves is that a vaccination effort won't render outbreaks impossible. Which is bloody obvious and isn't what we're discussing.

Literally from the article.
The full effect of the pandemic - and ensuing lockdowns - is just starting to become clear as countries take stock of their public health and education programmes.

Not what you argued.

 

[Satinavian]

And here we go: ICE shot a woman in her car after she attempted to drive away from them.

Immigration agent fatally shoots driver in Minneapolis

Follow the latest news after an ICE agent fatally shot a 37-year-old woman after a group of individuals began to block an immigration-related operation.

www.nbcnews.com

Remember, making an ICE agent afraid is domestic terrorism, but actually storming the Capitol to overturn an election is "a day of love".

It seems they made also sure that she didn't get any medical help afterwards.

Whole bunch of murderers.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...dics-from-scene-of-ice-shooting-witnesses-say

Of course there have been more ICE shootings elsewhere since then. So far only wounded.

 

[Hades]

It seems they made also sure that she didn't get any medical help afterwards.

Whole bunch of murderers.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...dics-from-scene-of-ice-shooting-witnesses-say

Of course there have been more ICE shootings elsewhere since then. So far only wounded.

I wonder how many shootings before this flew under the radar because the victims were migrants or just brown. Probably more then we'd like.

 

[Trunkage]

I wonder how many shootings before this flew under the radar because the victims were migrants or just brown. Probably more then we'd like.

The answer is 9, with one fatality. All of them were in cars. ICE is VERY scared of vehicles. None of them were caught on camera like this. I do not note demographics

 

[Trunkage]

You don't have to say basic common sense things, I think everyone knows you get immunity from colds (upper respiratory infections) for a short time after getting over one, hence why no one gets a head cold, gets over it, and then gets the flu a week later.

He literally said he's wishes to go back in time to say different things about protection (as they were wrong with the messaging).
Yeah, I would wish we could go back in time. And when those data were presented, we could have said this protection against mild disease is not going to last given the nature of this infection. And given the way these trials were done, that’s not going to last. And we did the opposite.

---

There's literally a term for it "infectious dose".

How many microbes need to enter the body before we start to feel sick?
This varies by pathogen and is known as a microbe’s “infectious dose.” Usually it takes quite a few, but some microbes require an incredibly small number of organisms to start an infection.

How Many Microbes Does It Take to Make You Sick? | Quanta Magazine

Exposure to a virus isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. The concept of “infectious dose” suggests ways to keep ourselves safer from harm.

www.quantamagazine.org

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We knew far before the outbreak in Massachusetts that the vaccine didn't protect against infection and transmission when Israel had their biggest outbreak post-vaccination. That's just basic logic you saw with your own 2 eyes, you don't need an expert like Paul Offit telling you something that you could see yourself. Then, Paul Offit said by the nature of the virus that isn't possible, that would've been nice if that was said BEFOREHAND vs all the misinformation from experts and government agencies.

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Literally from the article.
The full effect of the pandemic - and ensuing lockdowns - is just starting to become clear as countries take stock of their public health and education programmes.

It would be really cool if you would stop making up what your opponenets thinks vaccines etc do. All you do is waste everyones time, especially yours as you yell at clouds thinking that its a person

 

[Chimpzy]

ICE slipping on ice. Nice.

 

[Agema]

It seems they made also sure that she didn't get any medical help afterwards.

I suspect the aim here is not specifically preventing medical assistance, it's controlling the scene of the incident to help ensure that the version of events that gets out is the one they tell. Which is to say, the one where they are least at blame. To that end, other witnesses are a negative.

 

[Thaluikhain]

In fairness, I could see them wanting to keep random civilians away from serious business, which sorta makes sense, at least at the heat of the moment. The same can't be said of murdering someone for driving away, of course.

 

[thebobmaster]

EMTs and medical personnel are also not random civilians. But then, expecting anything but "us" and "not us" from ICE is giving them too much credit.