Good Settler, Bad Settler
What this week’s flood of Israeli condemnations reveals about the state’s true relationship with the settlers
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Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates
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The Palestinians could have had a Martin Luther King figure come forward, and get a state through nonviolent means, and it's a shame they couldn't, and didn't want to. Israel was a country forged from war first against the British, than the surrounding arab states in 1948, than against a Russian style buildup of troops from mainly Egypt, and Syria in 1967 in the literal six days war, than again from both states in 1973 in the Yom Krippor War, than 1982 against Shia militas in the Lebanon War, than against Saddam's Scud missiles, and against the Palestinian Fedayeen various times, than against Iranian missiles, and now against international media pressure.
This is a state built to withstand soft, and hard power conflict. The only way you end the conflict is with outside western help from people who could sanction Israel, but time, and time against Palestine has picked the sword vs the pen. It would be like Mexico trying to get back Texas and California or Taiwan getting back Guangzhou. The Palestinian leadership keeps banging it's head against the Israeli Wall hoping for a crack that never comes. And it's almost always the Palestinian people that suffer not the people of Israel, and the Palestinian leadership that keeps falling in getting a stable, permanent state. Granted most of this paragraph is about Gaza.
The East Bank is even sadder, the PA gave up too much, and the West Bank is mostly just a few settlements surrounded by Israeli checkpoints, and Israeli dominated land. Which gets smaller every year.
The window of opportunity is closing for both areas. Even if there is a possibly Israel will be defeated in the very long term say 100+ years later, everyone who lives right now will not be around to see it, and everyone who will lives to see it will only see the poor decision making of both the PA, and Hamas.
This is a state built to withstand soft, and hard power conflict. The only way you end the conflict is with outside western help from people who could sanction Israel, but time, and time against Palestine has picked the sword vs the pen. It would be like Mexico trying to get back Texas and California or Taiwan getting back Guangzhou. The Palestinian leadership keeps banging it's head against the Israeli Wall hoping for a crack that never comes. And it's almost always the Palestinian people that suffer not the people of Israel, and the Palestinian leadership that keeps falling in getting a stable, permanent state. Granted most of this paragraph is about Gaza.
The East Bank is even sadder, the PA gave up too much, and the West Bank is mostly just a few settlements surrounded by Israeli checkpoints, and Israeli dominated land. Which gets smaller every year.
The window of opportunity is closing for both areas. Even if there is a possibly Israel will be defeated in the very long term say 100+ years later, everyone who lives right now will not be around to see it, and everyone who will lives to see it will only see the poor decision making of both the PA, and Hamas.
I just want to point out that it's generally agreed on by historians that MLK's methods would not have worked without Malcolm X's more extremist methods acting as a counterpoint. Basically, "if we don't agree with Martin Luther King's points and methods, how long until another Malcolm X rises?" sort of deal.
It is also a matter of note that both Malcolm X and MLK were moving towards each other's respective political/economic positions throughout their careers as they realized they needed a combination of methods and ideas in order to actually deal with racism and inequality in the U.S.
The issue is the Palestinians armed wing is losing, their few allies are losing, and eventually it's my prediction that none of the CRINKs and their allies are going to back them, or will ignore them, or be any number of ineffective at helping them due themselves losing their control of their own state, etc.. They already have an army it's the PA security forces those can slow down a holocaust in the West Bank, but they are poor at Israeli Salami slicing, their radical wings are not relevant since they can't deter Israel from launching more attacks in Gaza, any more than Panama can deter the US(More on this in another thread).
The hope that a progressive US president like a AOC, or a Mamadani like figure will save them is unrealistic at best, and delusional at worst. The US media system has captured even centrist media orgs like CNN, and CBS. Thye are increasly good at influencing social media platforms like Facebook, Youtube, X, and even TIk Tok.
It should not just be up to people outside of their country like a Bassem Youssef, Jon Strewart who is not from the region, or even what few congress representatives, a few senators, and a mayor of New York City to do most of the critical work to achieve the critical mass needed to stop the current ethnic cleansing. They are all political outsiders.
You can stop there, assured that whatever historians agree on is complete garbage.
The Palestinian equivalent of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. not only would be shot and killed, he almost certainly already has been multiple times. Fuck off.
This is probably valid, honestly, you just forgot to mention he's being shot by Hamas.
Yes, the Palestinians don't have any allies that can stop a US backed genocide. That is why the genocide goes on.
That is no kind of new revelation or special insight.
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Not many good allies. But they need to figure out something fast, and my analysis is that Israel knows the window of opportunity to enjoy support from the US is closing due to younger demographics not liking them. But that is likely the only good news; this is the reality.
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They are losing arab allies, not gaining them, even while they enjoy widespread support with the various publics.
Seems another instance of the right insisting that having knowledge is inherently suspicious and that any random hobo knows just as much as experts.
If a historian who studies Caesar says he got stabbed 23 times then he’s probably more trustworthy than the local hobo saying Caesar was shot once instead. In general historical knowledge of the average joe is quite limited aside from the ocasional hobbyist so why should they automatically be more trustworthy than people who DO find history interesting and study it as their profession?
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Rationalized knowledge is suspicious. Conclusions drawn not from observation but from pure intellectual exercise have no more reason to believe than random guesses by a hobo. Nothing is as unobservable as history, you cannot go back, you can only see the records of it, and those are (without unearthing lost records) almost entirely unchanging. Yet academic fields require people to write something new to contribute to their field in order to reach the highest positions, incentivizing people to reason things beyond what is stated in the records, and a sharp mind can reason its way to falsehoods at least as easily as it can ascertain the truth.
In essence, all professional historians are fanfic writers.