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Someone on reddit posted this pic to better show what I was talking about with the Assault Rifle textures
The right image looks like it’s not finished loading at worst, or from a Halo 3 remaster at best. Are they even using materials based rendering yet? Sony’s only been doing it all gen. Maybe the new Gears had it idk.
 
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I dunno how the fuck you are still on Window 7. But that graphics card should be fine to run these games. Maybe not on Ultra settings, but the GTX 1070 is a good card still.
I still want to be able to run and play some older games I have here.

If I want upgrade to Windows 10 I might as well get a whole new PC and keep this Windows 7 one as a back up for playing older PC Games.
 
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Meanwhile Playstation is advertising 4k/60fps.

Microsoft developers are already trying to temper expectations from people. Medium is confirmed to only run at 30fps on the new Series X.
That was a design choice from Bloober team. They've always been about pushing super detailed graphics with their games.

Not every game is gonna run at native 4K and 60FPS, it's completely up to the developers on what they optimize for. And the Series X is MORE than capable of running games at 4K / 60FPS, it's comparable with my computer which runs a RTX 2080TI and the i9 9900K, and I run pretty much any game at full settings with ease.

The PS5 is gonna do the same, and I'm sure the norm going forward is going to be to offer Performance / Fidelity options with pretty much all games on consoles.
 

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I still want to be able to run and play some older games I have here.

If I want upgrade to Windows 10 I might as well get a whole new PC and keep this Windows 7 one as a back up for playing older PC Games.
I haven't heard of games not running on 10. Is that a wide problem with older games that they wont run on 10? Because I've never had that issue crop up when playing older stuff.
 

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That was a design choice from Bloober team. They've always been about pushing super detailed graphics with their games.

Not every game is gonna run at native 4K and 60FPS, it's completely up to the developers on what they optimize for. And the Series X is MORE than capable of running games at 4K / 60FPS, it's comparable with my computer which runs a RTX 2080TI and the i9 9900K, and I run pretty much any game at full settings with ease.

The PS5 is gonna do the same, and I'm sure the norm going forward is going to be to offer Performance / Fidelity options with pretty much all games on consoles.

Is it a design choice, or a limitation of what the studio can do? Because surely every studio would want their game to run as good as possible. Not to mention that Medium will surely run at whatever FPS you want it to on PC. I just don't understand why you'd limit the FPS on console unless you simply can't optimize the thing to run right on the console itself.

If the console is capable of handling it. Then why not allow it?

I feel like this coming gen, developers are going to have a harder time justifying keep shit locked to 30 FPS. Because frame rates are really the only major step forward they can universal apply as an upgrade to game fidelity at this point. Graphics aren't going to get much better, so what's left? Load times and frame rates are going to be the next steps ups I feel.

Also I'm curious to hear your opinion on Halo Infinite possibly not launching with multiplayer.
 

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I haven't heard of games not running on 10. Is that a wide problem with older games that they wont run on 10? Because I've never had that issue crop up when playing older stuff.
I am not to sure about the whole situation though, I am just going for a more "better safe, then sorry" approach.

I mean if I just straight up upgrade from 7 to 10 on this very PC, I have to do a clean installation which means deleting everything on this PC and reverting it back to factory settings.
 

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Is it a design choice, or a limitation of what the studio can do? Because surely every studio would want their game to run as good as possible. Not to mention that Medium will surely run at whatever FPS you want it to on PC. I just don't understand why you'd limit the FPS on console unless you simply can't optimize the thing to run right on the console itself.

If the console is capable of handling it. Then why not allow it?

I feel like this coming gen, developers are going to have a harder time justifying keep shit locked to 30 FPS. Because frame rates are really the only major step forward they can universal apply as an upgrade to game fidelity at this point. Graphics aren't going to get much better, so what's left? Load times and frame rates are going to be the next steps ups I feel.

Also I'm curious to hear your opinion on Halo Infinite possibly not launching with multiplayer.
They explained if you read the article?

"The game is 4K/30fps. The decision to go with 30 fps is a result of the game's focus on cinematic experience on one hand, and the player's ability to play in 2 worlds at the same time, rendered and displayed simultaneously, on the other hand."

I don't know beyond that, but more "cinematic" games running at 4K and 30FPS will continue to be a thing next-gen though.


Halo Infinite not launching with multiplayer wouldn't be surprising to me, or if they do launch it with Infinite it's gonna launch in a public beta format I'd bet. Siege did this and it was fine. I think the Halo fanbase would prefer 343 "got it right" then just launch a 1.0 version and add on that. The game needs more time in the oven, it's pretty clear from a visual standpoint. Everything else I thought looked great.

People keep asking "what's going on at 343??", but it's like everyone forget we've been in lockdown or working from home since March at this point. That's a long time for game developers to be working from home on a project like this, so those final rounds of polish really might be put on the backburner until every other aspect of the game is completed.

Neither console at this point has a compelling launch line-up, and if they delayed Halo Infinite to next year I wouldn't complain. In fact, I think they should. In fact, in fact, I think both the PS5 and XSX should just be pushed back to the first half of next year, because right now things feel half-baked and not ready to go. Jack and I talk more about this in Sunday's Escapist Show episode.
 

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Neither console at this point has a compelling launch line-up, and if they delayed Halo Infinite to next year I wouldn't complain. In fact, I think they should. In fact, in fact, I think both the PS5 and XSX should just be pushed back to the first half of next year, because right now things feel half-baked and not ready to go. Jack and I talk more about this in Sunday's Escapist Show episode.
Honestly I think they should delay the console launches themselves until next year. Especially with people struggling to have steady work, let alone the extra dosh to buy a new box. I think if they pushed the releases back to Summer 21, they could make sure that not only enough consoles on shelves but also enough games to excite people into getting the new systems in the first place.

Also I hate the cinematic excuse. If you want to make a cinematic experience make a movie. Theses are video games and video games play better at 60fps. Really the end of story. Devs have used the cinematic experience excuse so much it's white noise to me. And if the Medium runs at 60 fps on PC then you'll know the cinematic excuse is BS.
 
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Honestly I think they should delay the console launches themselves until next year. Especially with people struggling to have steady work, let alone the extra dosh to buy a new box. I think if they pushed the releases back to Summer 21, they could make sure that not only enough consoles on shelves but also enough games to excite people into getting the new systems in the first place.

Also I hate the cinematic excuse. If you want to make a cinematic experience make a movie. Theses are video games and video games play better at 60fps. Really the end of story. Devs have used the cinematic experience excuse so much it's white noise to me. And if the Medium runs at 60 fps on PC then you'll know the cinematic excuse is BS.
I often see people say that when it comes to making games that focus on story/being more cinematic instead of gameplay. But the thing is, that's the great thing about video games is that they can appeal to a much wider audience than movies do, and there will always be something about playing a video game and being apart of it yourself, than just casually observing like in movies.

I think a game like The Medium is ok with 30fps, seeing as how it doesn't look like a game that would really benefit from tighter controls that 60fps brings with it. Don't get me wrong, I wish it was possible for every game to run at a smooth 60fps, but I acknowledge that it just isn't possible for every game on consoles (even on pc it's not great a lot of the time, with poor optimizations, micro-stutter etc. That's actually one reason why I've been preferring consoles over PC for years, because you get a more stable experience, even if sometimes you do get lower fps. I'd much rather play a game with a rock-solid 30fps than playing a stuttering, inconsistent mess on pc)
 

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Well the multiplayer not at launch rumor was squashed.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I still want to be able to run and play some older games I have here.

If I want upgrade to Windows 10 I might as well get a whole new PC and keep this Windows 7 one as a back up for playing older PC Games.
Windows 10 works as well for backwards compatibility as windows 7 does. If you really want to ensure backwards compatibility then get a nice new pc and install a VM on it for xp and windows 98. That tends to get you pretty close to having an actual machine.
 

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The right image looks like it’s not finished loading at worst, or from a Halo 3 remaster at best. Are they even using materials based rendering yet? Sony’s only been doing it all gen. Maybe the new Gears had it idk.
Angry Joe says the Halo demo was stuttering unacceptably. See at about 5 min. They thought things like grass look better this gen than what they're showing.


I foresee waiting a good 6 months after launch to take the plunge.

Windows 10 works as well for backwards compatibility as windows 7 does. If you really want to ensure backwards compatibility then get a nice new pc and install a VM on it for xp and windows 98. That tends to get you pretty close to having an actual machine.
Interesting advice! I wonder if I can run a VM and change the number of cores used. I have games like the Saboteur that won't run, I'm told, as I need to shut off the other cores on my processor. No way! Thanks for the idea. Reviewing.
 
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Interesting advice! I wonder if I can run a VM and change the number of cores used. I have games like the Saboteur that won't run, I'm told, as I need to shut off the other cores on my processor. No way! Thanks for the idea. Reviewing.
Yeah you can. I tend to use VMware player which lets you set the number of cores, amount of ram, etc etc. I haven't tried gaming on it though so I can't tell you how that is. The main VMs I have setup are an XP and a windows 95 one that I was checking something for a client on. I really should try the XP one and see how gaming is on it since it can be hard to run xp games on modern OSs.
 
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See, I feel kinda the opposite about the Xbox vs. PS5 games event. I really enjoyed/want to play nearly every game that was announced (even if most were just CG cutscenes . . .), although this could be that I've never seriously played on Playstation before. The only two games from their event that I legitimately want to play are Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Ratchet & Clank. I've never played a R&C game before, so idk if I'd even enjoy the gameplay or not.
See I have a PS4 now. Last gen I had an Xbox 360.
With some of the nonsense Sony has been pulling (Censoring games etc) I was very much hoping for Microsoft to knock it out the park so I could comfortably switch back again. While Microsoft did fine and didn't manage a disaster they are still behind and this really didn't feel like it was the big win like Sony had over Microsoft last gen and Microsoft needed something like that to really come back. Like they needed to play up the backwards compatibility and make Sony sweat.

When you compared what was shown at the Microsoft games showcase to something like Project Athia from the Playstation one you can see a real difference


Hell there's a real difference in the trailers stuff in the Sony vs Microsoft ones because The Sony ones do try to mix in gameplay or what seems to be gameplay with the cinematic stuff.
 

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Warhammer Left40Dead.

Are you kidding me?

All I ask for is please... PLEASE let this be the first Warhammer non-strategy to allow for multiple types of units. You can have Space Marines, you can have Imperial Guard , you can have Sisters of Battle, you can have Inquisitors. There's really a way to sate everyone here if you just put in the work.

And I know what you're going to ask. Why pick the Imperial Guard when you can be a Space Marine? Easy if you think outside the box. Regular healing items do not work on the Space Marines. They are the only class with Regen and it is the only way they can heal. The Imperial Guard can also be sort of a 'Pet' class, where you're a Sergeant and you have your choice of two members (three if you take bog standard grunts) of heavy weapons which would require set up and break down, medics, Comms (early warning), etc that you can command via Rainbow Six Vegas.

Yeah, I like Space Marines more than Imperial Guards, but so many times do we get these non-strategy games that forces us to ignore the rest of a faction. Tau Fire Warrior, Space Marine... You guys have the Lore. Make something unique, I beg of you.
 

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Warhammer Left40Dead.

Are you kidding me?

All I ask for is please... PLEASE let this be the first Warhammer non-strategy to allow for multiple types of units. You can have Space Marines, you can have Imperial Guard , you can have Sisters of Battle, you can have Inquisitors. There's really a way to sate everyone here if you just put in the work.
Vermintide: and Space Hulk: Deathwing "Are we a Joke to you?"
 
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Vermintide: and Space Hulk: Deathwing "Are we a Joke to you?"
Warhammer End Times and Age of Sigmar isn't really my bag. And Deathwing are all terminators. I would love to play a Sister of Battle one game and then do my Rainbow Six Vegas style playing as an IG. Be a tank as a Space Marine. Lay down superior firepower as an Inquisitor.
 

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Vermintide: and Space Hulk: Deathwing "Are we a Joke to you?"
Well Vermintide is warhammer fantasy and you only play as space marine terminators in Space Hulk: Deathwing.