Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

[Revnak]

that only lasted for a month. they used the money from hurricane relief to add to the unemployment or something like that.

Y’know, the plot from House of Cards? Remember that?

 

[Avnger]

Weird

Sidestepping Congress, Trump Signs Executive Measures for Pandemic Relief (Published 2020)

President Trump signed the directives after two weeks of stalemate with Democrats over a recovery package, using legally dubious measures to try to restore lapsed benefits.

www.nytimes.com

Cause that ^ was August

No checks were sent out, chief. That was your original claim.

And I love how you simply ignored the whole senate "woopsie" you made.

 

[Revnak]

No checks were sent out, chief. That was your original claim.

And I love how you simply ignored the whole senate "woopsie" you made.

Never play defense. Dwarf’s probably some kind of grifter honing his “skills” on a random gaming web forum.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

No checks were sent out, chief. That was your original claim.

And I love how you simply ignored the whole senate "woopsie" you made.

Well they've been executive ordered to go out but

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Probably facing legal challenges

 

[Seanchaidh]

This is somewhat of a lose lose situation. If he survives, then undecided voters will vote for him for sympathy. If he dies, the he is a martyr that deserves to have his "legacy" honored.

Could drive up turnout among people sympathetic, but one imagines they were already sufficiently energized.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Could drive up turnout among people sympathetic, but one imagines they were already sufficiently energized.

yeh but the grave dancing / pre-emptive grave dancing could really put some people off voting for Biden........I mean we're dealing with people who found it just so awful Bernie Sanders supporters wanted to argue with them online. Only those who are hardcore Anti-Trump will likely see it as fine or want to associate with it.

 

[ObsidianJones]

yeh but the grave dancing / pre-emptive grave dancing could really put some people off voting for Biden........I mean we're dealing with people who found it just so awful Bernie Sanders supporters wanted to argue with them online. Only those who are hardcore Anti-Trump will likely see it as fine or want to associate with it.

And obviously we have the restrained manner that Republicans revere life. Such as they would never use an opportunity such as one of their own dying to increase their stranglehold over American Government.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

And obviously we have the restrained manner that Republicans revere life. Such as they would never use an opportunity such as one of their own dying to increase their stranglehold over American Government.

Ah but that's the thing there was little grave dancing. It was a lot of pretending to care and putting on at least a public face of not celebrating like mad.

It's the image of at least pretending to care vs "We don't give two shits we're glad Trump is dead it's just a shame all his supporters aren't dead too the stupid slack jawed Flyover state people, It's their own fault they're too stupid to just leave and come to the coast rather than complain about where they live seeing industry dying"

Yes you could argue moving on as quick could seem callus but it's now outright malice.

 

[ObsidianJones]

Ah but that's the thing there was little grave dancing. It was a lot of pretending to care and putting on at least a public face of not celebrating like mad.

It's the image of at least pretending to care vs "We don't give two shits we're glad Trump is dead it's just a shame all his supporters aren't dead too the stupid slack jawed Flyover state people, It's their own fault they're too stupid to just leave and come to the coast rather than complain about where they live seeing industry dying"

Yes you could argue moving on as quick could seem callus but it's now outright malice.

Sir, if it is Malice you want, I can surely oblige.

A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as inciting violence

Here's a look back at comments by President Trump perceived by some as inciting violence, with one of his latest reading, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts."

abcnews.go.com

Trump: NFL should 'fire or suspend' players who kneel during anthem

President continues attacks on NFL players who protest injustice

www.usatoday.com

What Trump has said about Mexicans

A look back at some of the things US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said about Mexico during his election campaign.

www.bbc.com

Trump asked CIA official why drone strike didn’t also kill target’s family: report

President Trump reportedly asked a CIA official why the agency didn’t kill a terrorist target’s family during a drone strike.The Washington Post reported Thursday that, after watching a …

thehill.com

Trump’s Record on Police Brutality and Peaceful Protests: Making the Problem Worse

Trump has repeatedly advocated police brutality and violence against political opponents. His administration has largely followed suit.

www.americanprogressaction.org

This feels like another case of "Trump can, but you shall not". Trump has been nothing but callous, heartless, and cruel when it comes to people who are not his base. As I personally said, I wish for the man to get better even though his actions has taken 4 of my family members away.

But I have no illusions that others will consider my position anything but idiotic.

 

[Shadyside]

Sir, if it is Malice you want, I can surely oblige.

A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as inciting violence

Here's a look back at comments by President Trump perceived by some as inciting violence, with one of his latest reading, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts."

abcnews.go.com

Trump: NFL should 'fire or suspend' players who kneel during anthem

President continues attacks on NFL players who protest injustice

www.usatoday.com

What Trump has said about Mexicans

A look back at some of the things US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said about Mexico during his election campaign.

www.bbc.com

Trump asked CIA official why drone strike didn’t also kill target’s family: report

President Trump reportedly asked a CIA official why the agency didn’t kill a terrorist target’s family during a drone strike.The Washington Post reported Thursday that, after watching a …

thehill.com

This feels like another case of "Trump can, but you shall not". Trump has been nothing but callous, heartless, and cruel when it comes to people who are not his base. As I personally said, I wish for the man to get better even though his actions has taken 4 of my family members away.

But I have no illusions that others will consider my position anything but idiotic.

You no longer have immediate family members?

 

[ObsidianJones]

You no longer have immediate family members?

My mother was the only immediate (nuclear) family member taken by Covid. I contracted Covid. My Father and Brother are alive.

 

[Revnak]

1) I'm sure there's some Muslim holocaust deniers out there too

2) mostly because said term is used as an insult



yes I did, I just didn't give the answer you wanted.



Well as AntiFA isn't a group but an ideology.

In the last 12 months

14

~7 if you remove AntiFa killing their own supporters and members in weird incidents that have gone on.

~18 if you include self inflicted harm or people killed by "Mischief" or as a result of their own actions. E.G. trying to rob gun stores or trying to blow up ATMs and blowing themselves up.

Though in the last decade I'd estimate 100+ attempted murder cases (This would include things like assault with what was deemed a deadly weapon)


Didn't Trump executive order it to send checks out again? I mean he's being sued over it so he did something there.

Also don't democrats have the senate majority so you'd think they'd have no issue clearing the package to go through.......

Alright, found my plan from here on out. For every time you post defending the proud boys or condemning Antifa, I’ll just post this example of Eugene Antifa saving likely at least dozens of Portlanders by leaking their chat logs.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Alright, found my plan from here on out. For every time you post defending the proud boys or condemning Antifa, I’ll just post this example of Eugene Antifa saving likely at least dozens of Portlanders by leaking their chat logs.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

Ok. You realise I can just post something like this right?


Also point out you probably should add something to the discussion rather than just post links and you know acknowledge how funny it is that you're now acting like I said the Proud Boys are some great organisation everyone should join despite the fact I called them thugs earlier on in this thread. So unless I condemn them and call them super Uber Nazi Mega satans or whatever I'm apparently not doing enough?

Sorry for asking for evidence of some of the claims being made against the group and not blindly Listening and Believing anymore?

 

[Revnak]

Ok. You realise I can just post something like this right?


Also point out you probably should add something to the discussion rather than just post links and you know acknowledge how funny it is that you're now acting like I said the Proud Boys are some great organisation everyone should join despite the fact I called them thugs earlier on in this thread. So unless I condemn them and call them super Uber Nazi Mega satans or whatever I'm apparently not doing enough?

Sorry for asking for evidence of some of the claims being made against the group and not blindly Listening and Believing anymore?

Sorry, did bike lock guy threaten to shoot into a crowd and murder press?

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Sorry, did bike lock guy threaten to shoot into a crowd and murder press?

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

Nah just committed assault with a deadly weapon against a neutral person trying to keep the peace and earlier attack an elderly gent who was possibly a war veteran.

Also worth pointing out who did shoot some-one in the end

What Is Known About Michael Reinoehl, Suspect in Portland Shooting Killed by Law Enforcement

Michael F. Reinoehl, an antifa supporter and fixture of antipolice demonstrations in Portland, Ore., was killed as federal authorities moved in to arrest him in connection with the killing of a right-wing protester last weekend.

www.wsj.com

 

[Revnak]

Nah just committed assault with a deadly weapon against a neutral person trying to keep the peace and earlier attack an elderly gent who was possibly a war veteran.

Also worth pointing out who did shoot some-one in the end

What Is Known About Michael Reinoehl, Suspect in Portland Shooting Killed by Law Enforcement

Michael F. Reinoehl, an antifa supporter and fixture of antipolice demonstrations in Portland, Ore., was killed as federal authorities moved in to arrest him in connection with the killing of a right-wing protester last weekend.

www.wsj.com

They didn’t shoot anyone because anti-fascist activists forced them out of town. Up until then they were still planning to do night patrols and kill people. At this point, I think it’s entirely possible Reinoehl was in an interaction with one of those patrols, given his victim was armed. I doubt he knew that though, and there were better options to handle the issue as the counter protesters earlier in the day demonstrated.

Also, other things that Proud Boys did that day include firing less lethal rounds blindly into crowds, assault and injure multiple people with bats and batons, and dive headlong into crowds with the intent to hit and kill. Multiple of those acts easily could’ve killed more.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

They didn’t shoot anyone because anti-fascist activists forced them out of town. Up until then they were still planning to do night patrols and kill people. At this point, I think it’s entirely possible Reinoehl was in an interaction with one of those patrols, given his victim was armed. I doubt he knew that though, and there were better options to handle the issue as the counter protesters earlier in the day demonstrated.

Also, other things that Proud Boys did that day include firing less lethal rounds blindly into crowds, assault and injure multiple people with bats and batons, and dive headlong into crowds with the intent to hit and kill. Multiple of those acts easily could’ve killed more.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

Or they were all talk and no trousers.

So could acts like this have killed.

 

[Revnak]

Or they were all talk and no trousers.

They brought guns dude, and even then, cowardice doesn’t excuse murderous intent by any precedence other than coincidence.
Edit: Also, my argument is that they got scared off... by Antifa. Antifa prevented a deadly terrorist attack.

So could acts like this have killed.

Perhaps, but there’s been many more cases of people driving through protesters, including the Proud Boy who killed Heather Heyer, and many cases of cops threatening to drive through or actually driving through protesters, so I question whether this argument suits your “Antifa is the real threat” argument.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

They brought guns dude, and even then, cowardice doesn’t excuse murderous intent by any precedence other than coincidence.
Edit: Also, my argument is that they got scared off... by Antifa. Antifa prevented a deadly terrorist attack.

So did the AntiFA guy only he used his to kill. How many shootings were there than night again?

Perhaps, but there’s been many more cases of people driving through protesters, including the Proud Boy who killed Heather Heyer, and many cases of cops threatening to drive through or actually driving through protesters, so I question whether this argument suits your “Antifa is the real threat” argument.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

Oh you mean like this


Oh wait that was police officers targeted again.....

Oh BTW the guns and weapons seizure you talked about....

Police clarify 'cache of firearms' statement made at Portland protest ordinance meeting

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Police rolled back a statement about the August 4 protest downtown where officers found a small group with guns atop a parking garage, just a day after Mayor Ted Wheeler referenced the incident while unveiling a new ordinance on demonstrations. The summer protest was a...

katu.com

“After further review it has been determined that no firearms were seized or taken as safe keeping from the individuals in the parking garage, as police did not have lawful authority to do so. No arrests were made as no laws were broken,” Portland Police said in a statement.

 

[Revnak]

So did the AntiFA guy only he used his to kill. How many shootings were there than night again?

Not many because the Proud Boys got scared off, have you not read their own words in the article I keep posting explaining their intent to kill people until they got chased away?

Oh you mean like this


Oh wait that was police officers targeted again.....

I already mentioned more than your two so I’ll skip this bullshit since you’ve already demonstrated a total inability to count and recognize scale. Needless to say “here’s a couple times this happened to cops” doesn’t hold a lot of weight in the face of how common it is to occur to protesters, including by cops.

Oh BTW the guns and weapons seizure you talked about....

Police clarify 'cache of firearms' statement made at Portland protest ordinance meeting

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Police rolled back a statement about the August 4 protest downtown where officers found a small group with guns atop a parking garage, just a day after Mayor Ted Wheeler referenced the incident while unveiling a new ordinance on demonstrations. The summer protest was a...

katu.com

You realize that’s a fucking month earlier genius. Or are all days in August Jews named Ben to you?

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com