New Call of Duty game let's players be Non-binary

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As opposed to people angry about there being one too many boxes, which is apparently a much more reasonable stance to take.
most of those boxes are entirely defined by highly subjective feelings not far easier to point to traits while people are somehow now expected by some to know all the boxes when previously it was 2 boxes that barely matter at all which you were in.

Tell me do you know the 5 synthesis pathways for the core chemical component of puffer fish venom?
 

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most of those boxes are entirely defined by highly subjective feelings not far easier to point to traits while people are somehow now expected by some to know all the boxes when previously it was 2 boxes that barely matter at all which you were in.
you're not "expected to know all the boxes". Theres one extra box, which requires no input, knowledge, or even acknowledgment from you.

You've already put more effort into moaning about it here than the game ever asked of you by putting an unobtrusive box somewhere.
 

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This is still going? How? It is just a menu option people! Grow up.
The weird thing is there was actually backlash to "Classified" as an option.
Because it wasn't explicitly non binary. Which is why both options are there.............. yeh.............

you're not "expected to know all the boxes". Theres one extra box, which requires no input, knowledge, or even acknowledgment from you.

You've already put more effort into moaning about it here than the game ever asked of you by putting an unobtrusive box somewhere.
No there's not

According to the BBC there's over 100

According to the royal society of physicians they acknowledge 6



Giving people choices is evil. Woke is plague on society. It must be condemned at every opportunity
Oh when the consequences hit for some of the choices it's going to be interesting.
 

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No I mean the realisation of when more Jessica Yaniv's start playing the system and causing chaos
Just like the dude going around suing every establishment with a "ladie's night" under the sun in the name of Men's Rights, Yaniv's more of an irritating lawsuit troll than an agent of chaos. Fucking Call of Duty letting you pick they/them pronouns for your improbably murderous secret agent isn't a slippery slope
 
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This is still going? How? It is just a menu option people! Grow up.
Where's the fun in that? :p
Giving people choices is evil. Woke is plague on society. It must be condemned at every opportunity
To be clear, I'm not a fan of wokeness either.

The weird thing is there was actually backlash to "Classified" as an option.
Apparently, people were complaining that the "classified" option was transphobic or something.

Said it before and I'll say it again, SJWs and SQWs are two sides of the same coin.

(But seriously, I really don't get it. Having gender classified is something I imagine could easily happen within the military - same as age, appearance, etc.)


According to the BBC there's over 100

According to the royal society of physicians they acknowledge 6


Oh when the consequences hit for some of the choices it's going to be interesting.
Only recently, I learnt of the existence of the demisexual gender.

Always so much to learn...
 

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Because that's pretending the government was more progressive than it actually was, kind of like pretending that there was never any massacre at Tiananmen Square.
Firstly, the Chinese government doesn't actually deny the Tiananmen Square massacre. It's something CCP officials have spoken about fairly openly and frequently. What they have repeatedly done is to argue that the brutal crackdown on protestors was necessary to ensure political stability and economic growth.

The US also has an extremely long tradition of whitewashing its own history. That's a large part of what Hollywood (and the games industry, which tends to follow Hollywood conventions) does, for example. Even when Hollywood ostensibly strives for realism in the depiction of historical events, it is very seldom at the expense of a clear ideological message, which for the most part tends to reflect US interests. It is no less blatant or ridiculous than anything China does.

However, there is a big difference, in that in the US, you are able to easily find information that contradicts what you see in media. Such information can be taught in universities or searched for on the internet.

One thing I've learned studying the history of gender is that a lot of people who haven't gone out of their way to learn about this kind of stuff actually do believe that historical sexism did not exist. Not because they believe the 1980s was some gender anarchist utopia, but because they believe that historical societies were naturally harmonious and had a correct understanding of the roles of men and women. To these people, the modern world with its diversity of gendered expression seems terribly disordered and uncomfortable compared to what they imagine were the rigid certainties of historical life. These people have arrived at this position through consuming propaganda which glosses over (whitewashes, if you like) the existence of historical evidence that contradicts this view of a peaceful harmonious historical gender order.

However, again, we don't live in China. The world is also full of media about people overcoming historical sexism, racism or homophobia. Despite the insistence by some people that these are problems exclusive to the present moment and were magically absent from a clean, ordered historical society, the information to the contrary is freely available and sometimes people enjoy those kinds of stories.

But sometimes, I want to be able to enjoy a piece of historical media in the same way a straight or cisgender person does.

Is it disrespectful to pretend (in a fictional context) that non-binary people could have been accepted in the 1980s? Is it a lie? Is it whitewashing?

Maybe. But if so it's only disrespectful to non-binary people, and it's kind of up to us whether we feel disrespected or not. I don't see how any cis person has anything relevant to say about it.
 

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Ah yes. One bad person makes everyone else bad
Combine that with existing laws and requirements lol.

Yeh poorly thought out rules get abused a lot and that's why it's important to try and get the stuff right to begin with.


Apparently, people were complaining that the "classified" option was transphobic or something.
I'm not surprised they went with that as Non binary nonsense is trying to be lumped in with people being Trans. Mostly because being trans has solid empirical evidence supporting it and many years of studies.

Only recently, I learnt of the existence of the demisexual gender.

Always so much to learn...
Especially when pronouns for each are standardised at some point but potentially all different.
 

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I'm not surprised they went with that as Non binary nonsense is trying to be lumped in with people being Trans.
Because it is.

One of the more annoying things, for me, about the broader social discussion of non-binary issues is the relentless fixation by people outside of the LGBT community on people who are politically non-binary. Now, personally I (and the medical establishment) believe that being politically non-binary is entirely valid. I think we're kind of past this transmedicalist assumption that all gender variant people must be tortured souls trapped in the wrong body. But being non-binary is often no different from being binary trans. Many non-binary people do experience gender dysphoria. Many non-binary people do take hormones, or have gender affirming surgery.

All this is entirely absent from the public discussion of non-binary people.

Mostly because being trans has solid empirical evidence supporting it and many years of studies.
So does being non-binary.

Gender Identity Clinics treat non-binary people. There is an established, empirically sound method for doing so building upon the vast library of professional knowledge created over the past few decades. But sure, I bet you read a great think piece about bathrooms once..

Especially when pronouns for each are standardised at some point but potentially all different.
Another incredibly annoying thing is cis people fixating endlessly on pronouns.

Look, there are a hundred genders. There are also six genders. There is also one gender. Gender is not actually real outside of our individual experience, so it is entirely arbitrary how many genders there are. The point of creating a taxonomic language is not to put people in boxes, but to allow people to exist socially outside of the boxes that already exist. Finding out what gender someone is is supremely unimportant and something they can very easily assist you with if they care about you enough to do so. All that matters in the vast majority of social situations is treating people with courtesy.
 
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Case in point, pretty much the whole natural world can and will have outliers, regardless of the human race’s general yearnings for uniformity and order.
 
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Combine that with existing laws and requirements lol.

Yeh poorly thought out rules get abused a lot and that's why it's important to try and get the stuff right to begin with..
Because banning stufff due to concerns about ‘poor rules’ is so much better. I remember the debates about homosexuality and same sex marriage having the same things thrown at them
 

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Because it is.
No it's not.

Sorry to go all truscum here but Trans is related to gender dysphoria while Non binary is being presented as gender non association or non conformation

To quote a Streamer I watch (I won't say who because I don't want to watch people take this and spread it)

I'm Glad I grew up in the 90s when I did before all this stuff came in or I'd have been hella confused, I mean I'm a girl / woman / lady and as you saw the main Christmas present from my family this year that I love and want to get using was a toolbox with tools and a power drill. growing up I was the one who wanted to poke stuff near lakes with a stick and I hated wearing dresses. As I've got older I've found some more feminine things I enjoy and I'm actually really happy with it and feel very comfortable with myself now. Had I been told growing up I wasn't a girl because I didn't behave like "Girls are supposed to" or whatever I'd probably be quite messed up now.
That's kind of the best example of no conforming gender behaviour really that gets claimed as being non binary a lot.



One of the more annoying things, for me, about the broader social discussion of non-binary issues is the relentless fixation by people outside of the LGBT community on people who are politically non-binary. Now, personally I (and the medical establishment) believe that being politically non-binary is entirely valid. I think we're kind of past this transmedicalist assumption that all gender variant people must be tortured souls trapped in the wrong body. But being non-binary is often no different from being binary trans. Many non-binary people do experience gender dysphoria. Many non-binary people do take hormones, or have gender affirming surgery.

All this is entirely absent from the public discussion of non-binary people.
Also generally absent was research suggesting a middle step could be harmful to actual trans people embracing or accepting their new gender identity if transitioning from one binary to another.


So does being non-binary.
Again no.

Doctor Verma's research on it hasn't found such things which is so far some of the most advanced stuff proving gender identity can have a biological component.

Yes, I've read most of the evidence and all of this.

Gender Identity Clinics treat non-binary people. There is an established, empirically sound method for doing so building upon the vast library of professional knowledge created over the past few decades. But sure, I bet you read a great think piece about bathrooms once..
No just the research of Dr Kenneth J. Zucker who was one of the leading experts and researchers on gender identity conditions and how to help people transition or understand expression of Gender identity.


Another incredibly annoying thing is cis people fixating endlessly on pronouns.
Well when idiots are pushing for it to be a criminal offense to use the wrong ones it does become a little important.


Because banning stufff due to concerns about ‘poor rules’ is so much better. I remember the debates about homosexuality and same sex marriage having the same things thrown at them
No but pushing through new laws and feel good "We doing right" kind of grounds and slamming people for questioning or opposing said stuff isn't a great move either.
 
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