Asking wrong questions are just steps towards asking the right ones.
Since there is no answer to my question, then it only reenforces that I'm not allowed to ask them in the first place.
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Since there is no answer to my question, then it only reenforces that I'm not allowed to ask them in the first place.
I'm simply talking about people in this thread distressing over how the myriad combinations of identities "should" be referenced. It's an existential question, but a worrisome one? No; doesn't matter. People have been "slipping and falling" in stores and subsequently suing for eons; no surprise that some atypical gender identifiers can be manipulative assholes just like "regular" people. We can't make the exceptions indicative of the whole.
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You do realize those laws are for landlords or your boss right? Like so your landlord or boss can't harass you by constantly referring to you as the wrong gender or just being an insulting dick.
Please, don't die on that hill; this forum is a much more interesting place with you in it.
Who said you're "not allowed" to ask questions? The question is WHY ask them. What will you do with the answers? If you're genuinely curious, that's fine, but don't behave as if you're asking is some form of self-sacrifice of dignity, i.e.: not wanting to step on toes because the walls of inclusion are closing in on you. What appreciable difference will the answers to your questions make in your life? What appreciable difference will they make in the lives of the people you ultimately comfortably identify? If the answer is "none," then it doesn't matter; if the answer is "any," then some self-reflection is in order. Do you think atypically gendered people are like servicemen and women in uniform in public; is it customary or necessary to approach them and "thank them for their service?" Because I assure you, that trans person over there doesn't care what you think of them and doesn't need your overt acknowledgment to live their life.
Wow is this a compliment? Thanks!
These answers are important to answer because otherwise you are just told to believe what anyone says about themselves no matter what. You cannot have any sort of public guidelines involving speech, or harassment, when the people likely to label you for that harassment can move the line of what is considered harassment on a whim based on their own fantasy. I AM an employer and therefore it does pertain to me because I can never know when I might have an employee who up and decides to come to work with a different set of pro-nouns the next Monday.
The owness on correct labels falls upon those demanding the labels be used. When someone discribes themselves as a non-conforming, gender-fluid, lesbian, transwoman, all they don't is make it absolutely impossible to interact with them correctly because their own label disagrees with itself. How can someone be a woman who loves a man but is also a technically gay because they were originally a man, if the whole point of their transgenderness is the truth that not only are they now a woman but in their heart they've ALWAYS been a woman? If that statement is true then the statement of being gay cannot also be true because woman loving a man is not gay.
Do you see? This is why this concept is so wild imo. And again if that's the life they want to live, then I don't fucking care at all. I only care when they write LAWS that say I have to cater to the impossible, because they refuse to have a defining line.
Nowhere did I say "you're not allowed ask questions". I explained why it's entirely unnecessary. You're either lying or just have a persecution complex.
Good for Elliot. Anyone who can't be happy for him because they're too busy feeling sorry for themselves can be miserable by themselves.
It was! And you're welcome!
If you're an employer, then yes, it is a different discussion in terms of discrimination, but not one as potentially complex as you're "worst case-ing" it to be. Correct me if I'm wrong, but gender fluid people aren't chameleons; they don't change from moment to moment; they don't come to work on Monday as a straight man and show up on Tuesday as a lesbian woman, and I don't think the vast majority are throwing it in everyone's face, daring people to misrepresent them for spiteful, litigious purposes. I'm sure there were a lot of people in the '60s who thought the world was ending when black kids were finally permitted to learn in schools next to their lily white children.
Is it confusing? For sure. As a comfortably straight man, I can't wrap my head around attraction to anything other than a woman, neither can I comprehend personal gender confusion (and I apologize if "confusion" is a condescending term,) but it IS a reality for millions of people who aren't me, so I accept them and wish them nothing but happiness as they try to suss out this thing called life as we all do. LGBTQ people don't NEED you to acknowledge their status; they don't NEED or DEMAND you fly their flag anymore than black people need or demand white people to tell everyone about their "black friends" to showcase their inclusiveness.
Without even checking those pages to see if that was actually said or was their intent, I'm going to say two people in a casual, low-traffic online forum isn't evidence of a broader, troubling issue.
I'm sorry, did you just compare transitioning to rape? Do you want to try that again?
Just gonna go ahead and suggest people not to rise to that obvious bait. Literally nothing will be gained from it.
I know, I really fucked up the last time I tried to offer someone a cup of tea. Wasn't sure how they identified so it completely changed the process. Went for milk first then water. Disaster. Egg on all faces.
And the word is 'onus'. I wouldn't normally do that, but it genuinely made what you said difficult to parse.
Hahahaha!!! I love this, y'know, in that unique, entirely different, completely incomprehensible, LGBTQ way! That does it: I'm officially identifying as a forum post and I love your post; in your FACES! Please refer to me as "it," speak to me in 1s and 0s, and if you don't, I'll see you in court, you insensitive pricks.
Elliot could be a good actor and keep the female role in UA, but I'm worried this will warrant some sort of rewrite for the character because of the actor. What if he drops out? yikes.
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